Plazaman wrote: » Bet your mates say "Roish" and drink "Heino"?
Uriel. wrote: » Take my Lunch to work from home Bring my own coffee to work Left Sky and Went to UPC, One year later cancelled UPC and went FreeView Moved from Contract Mobile phone of €45 pm to Prepay €20pm Eat out once a week with GF and/or Family - always early bird unless a specific event 9 out of 10 of my social gatherings now are drinks at home rather than pub When I do go to pub rather than having 10+ pints I have a few craft beers - enjoy better tasting beer and spend less Stopped driving to work and got an annual tax saver pass Locally only drive when necessary e.g. to get groceries
frank reynolds wrote: » Recession me hole.
Christ the Redeemer wrote: » Show me one thing in the natural world with infinite growth.
BuilderPlumber wrote: » The problem with Ireland is that a lot of myths take hold. The first myth was of course that the 1994-1999 and 2003 to 2008 periods were actually a period of boom where everyone did well. In fact, serious issues with the Irish economy came about in 2000 after the 5 previous years of some kind of economic upturn. 1994 to 1999 just saw a period where multinationals came in after the war was over (US don't differentiate between ROI and NI and thought the war affected all of here!) but left by 2000 as doing business was too costly. When they left, Ireland went back into its traditional status of unemployment and underachieving. After the 2000 to 2002 recession (caused by the IT crash, multinationals leaving. 9/11 did not help or foot and mouth), the building boom came along. Some did well but it was all borrowed money and unsustainable. Unemployment and lack of opportunity remained high in this era. Since 2008, the media has had a festival of negativity detailing problems like graduate unemployment, emigration, inflation, long term unemployment, tax hikes and so on that have always been with us. Ireland depended too much on others like US MNCs and did nothing to curb high prices. The building boom could not last also with the awful prices for houses. Anyone could tell that it was overheating and no one could afford to buy houses, do business here, etc. So, everyone left and did not buy! Politicians have become greedier and lazier. Corruption is rife and so is anti-business laws that create bureaucracy. Recent example: banning alcohol sponsorship for events is being talked about. What crazy thicko could even contemplate policies like this that would damage business? A recession merely means not doing as well now as before. What we have in Ireland is much more: the problem is money is reserved for the elite bankers, politicians and businesses (and that is in both the 1994-1999/2003-2008 and 2000-2002 and 2008 on periods) to the detriment of everyone else. 2005 Ireland was no more a pleasant place to live in than 2013 Ireland. Corruption, inaction, laziness, etc. is a way of life for our governments.
FTA69 wrote: » And what about the mass unemployment and emigration? What does that spell out for you?
frank reynolds wrote: » But that's exactly the point - you shouldnt have been living like that in the first place. people went mad "keeping up with the joneses" and for what? the only reason a lot of people are saying the word "recession" is because to them, shopping in Lidl instead of superquinn is the definition of being less of a class than they used to be, when we all should have been thrifty in the first place. i for one, agree with the OP - all my mates are the same, even the ones on the dole - all iphones, or smart phones, loads of nights out in town, and all the things that they did when the "celtic tiger" was prevalent. NOW though, the difference is, they go to the bother of tracking down a good deal to make their money stretch further instead of parading into the first bar or whatever and paying a tenner for a pint cos they have money to burn. Recession me hole.
studiorat wrote: » That's not called a recession, that's called gettin' old.
frank reynolds wrote: » it basically tells me that people STILL have notions about themselves and are unwilling to accept personal responsibility for their own position in life.
Christ the Redeemer wrote: » Our Economy grew by 0.2% last year(off the top of my head) Crow as the money men might, that's not a recession. The whole infinite growth ideology pisses me the **** off anyway. Show me one thing in the natural world with infinite growth.
FTA69 wrote: » How is making the decision to leave for another country in order to gain work "having notions"? The fact of the matter is that the jobs just simply aren't there, hence why places like Tesco can open up and be inundated with thousands of CVs for minimum wage jobs. People didn't decide to engage in mass laziness for the craic in 2007, and neither did tens of thousands of people travel across the world in pursuit of work because they have notions. To be honest if "having notions" is your only rebuttal to the statistics showing negative growth, unemployment and emigration then it's pretty clear you're full of sh*t.
the_monkey wrote: » ... And yet WTF I saw Clerys are shut down yesterday ??????...
Birneybau wrote: » Clerys is shut because of the mental rain last week. Will re-open after clearing damage.
Trigger Happy wrote: » Recession is defined by economic lack of growth over 2 consecutive quarters, not by how your mates are doing.
frank reynolds wrote: » no i'm not. it IS having notions - and what i mean by that, is that people think "oh i'm better than this" or "i cant live on the dole" - when in reality, yes, you CAN. Has it entered into your head that people don't want to be on the dole? That they are desperate to work and to regain some self-worth but can't because there is no jobs? Not being content on the scratch isn't a sign that you're up your own hole, it's a sign that you'd prefer to be working. The economy is in retrograde growth, there is mass unemployment, people are leaving the country in their thousands. The notion that you think that this is occurring because everyone is an opulent twat is ridiculous. anyway, i havent seen much of this so-called "recession" either, and that's all i was saying - backing up the point of the OP. Good for you. Because most young people I'm friendly with have either left the country or are planning on doing so. I know tradesmen who are in fear that they're going to lose their family home and who can't get work anywhere. I know people sending out thousands of CVs only to hear absolutely nothing back. I know dozens of young Irish people here in London who had to come here because they had no opportunity at home. Pardon them for being "too good" to be content with a life on the dole. fair enough, people are suffering - but they shouldnt be. they are only suffering because they got used to a RIDICULOUS lifestyle and now they are back in the real world having to save money, or spend less on useless things. You actually haven't a clue, it's hilarious. Are you a teenager living with their parents or something?
no i'm not. it IS having notions - and what i mean by that, is that people think "oh i'm better than this" or "i cant live on the dole" - when in reality, yes, you CAN.
anyway, i havent seen much of this so-called "recession" either, and that's all i was saying - backing up the point of the OP.
fair enough, people are suffering - but they shouldnt be. they are only suffering because they got used to a RIDICULOUS lifestyle and now they are back in the real world having to save money, or spend less on useless things.
the_monkey wrote: » I am home for a few days in this great little nation. What recession ? All invented BS by the media All my mates have good jobs, I go into town - everyone has an iPhone 5, Rip off cafes charging €6 for a sandwich are packed. Shopping bags packed , everyone seems to have Sky sports/movies/46 " 1080P TV Blu Ray ... etc etc... Why are the media lying to us ?? I know no one affected by this "recession", maybe its cos most of my mates work in the IT industry... And yet WTF I saw Clerys are shut down yesterday ?????? HMV too - I thought they were rescued tho ?
frank reynolds wrote: » fair enough, people are suffering - but they shouldnt be. they are only suffering because they got used to a RIDICULOUS lifestyle and now they are back in the real world having to save money, or spend less on useless things.
frank reynolds wrote: » im not arguing this anymore. people are thick.
Uriel. wrote: » Take my Lunch to work from home Bring my own coffee to work Left Sky and Went to UPC, One year later cancelled UPC and went FreeView Moved from Contract Mobile phone of €45 pm to Prepay €20pm Eat out once a week with GF and/or Family - always early bird unless a specific event 9 out of 10 of my social gatherings now are drinks at home rather than pub When I do go to pub rather than having 10+ pints I have a few craft beers - enjoy better tasting beer and spend less Stopped driving to work and got an annual tax saver pass Locally only drive when necessary e.g. to get groceries Plus I do more shopping in Lidl etc.. now carefully watching grocery spend.
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