Waterford GAA Discussion Thread 2011-2012

noiniho wrote: »

Watched the minor games last night on sky plus, was at the replay in Thurles but was at te opposite end of the field for Bennett seconds goal so was hard to see. Watching it last night the finish was absolutely class, he threw up the ball but delayed his strike and struck alot later than expected and the Limerick keeper had already hit the deck, he did this under pressure fromthe Limerick defence it was a cracking finish.

Hes some hurler to be fair to him, that point he got in the secon half over his shoulder, his balance to pick up the ball was class I thought. Didn't look as good on tv as it did at the pitch just on account of the angle.

But bar the first ball he got played into him, his touch was magnetic all night. In fairness they've no issues in the full forward line which is good to see.

noiniho wrote: »

Watched the minor games last night on sky plus, was at the replay in Thurles but was at te opposite end of the field for Bennett seconds goal so was hard to see. Watching it last night the finish was absolutely class, he threw up the ball but delayed his strike and struck alot later than expected and the Limerick keeper had already hit the deck, he did this under pressure fromthe Limerick defence it was a cracking finish.

His goal from open play against Antrim was out of this world aswell. I know he was loose when he took the pass but was an absolute rocket from about 20 yards out. What a finish. Great to see he has improved with every game hes played since the injury remember he didnt even start against Tipp in the 1st round of the championship and didnt look fit when he came on late in the game.

No doubt Kilkenny will have a plan for him but I dont think theres any other forward in his league left in the competition

PTH2009

Anyone going to travel up to Croke park next sunday for the minor semi final ??.

think the game is on at 1.30 and the Dublin vs Cork semi final is on at 3.30

shoddy14

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anyone going to travel up to Croke park next sunday for the minor semi final ??.

think the game is on at 1.30 and the Dublin vs Cork semi final is on at 3.30

Ya, going up gatting the Saturday night, mon up lad

seananigans

PTH2009 wrote: »

Anyone going to travel up to Croke park next sunday for the minor semi final ??.

think the game is on at 1.30 and the Dublin vs Cork semi final is on at 3.30

yip ,20 min walk to the train 20 mins on the train ,drops me in drumcondra :-)

The blue blaa

Did aussie an bennett get sent off tonight while playin against each other in minor club championship??? An if so what for??

Deise Vu

The blue blaa wrote: »

Did aussie an bennett get sent off tonight while playin against each other in minor club championship??? An if so what for??

Jesus, more important are there any consequences, disciplinary-wise?

Deise Vu wrote: »

Jesus, more important are there any consequences, disciplinary-wise?

If it did happen it will have no bearing on their inter county involvement with Waterford.

The blue blaa wrote: »

Did aussie an bennett get sent off tonight while playin against each other in minor club championship??? An if so what for??

dont know what happened or dont care. these things happen in club games all the time. stop talking about these younglads as if their some sort of celebrities.

The blue blaa

robopaddy wrote: »

dont know what happened or dont care. these things happen in club games all the time. stop talking about these younglads as if their some sort of celebrities.

Sorry for asking a question about regarding a club hurling match in waterford on the Waterford Gaa thread you keyboard warrior..

As long as they're both fit and ready for Sun week I'm not too bothered. While we all love seeing these players playing together for the county, the reality of course is that they are mainly in opposition and these things happen, same as whenever there is a meeting of any two from DLS, Mount Sion or Ballygunner in particular.

On a slight aside, could anyone point me towards a match report from the Dungarvan and Passage game?

seananigans

The blue blaa wrote: »

Sorry for asking a question about regarding a club hurling match in waterford on the Waterford Gaa thread you keyboard warrior..

Just don't talk about football.... :-P

Funfair

Mountainlad wrote: »

If it did happen it will have no bearing on their inter county involvement with Waterford.

Are you sure ? I think a straight red will get you a month ban from all games including inter county

Funfair wrote: »

Are you sure ? I think a straight red will get you a month ban from all games including inter county

Unless the rules are different at Minor then at Senior level then nope. Used be the case though.

Funfair

Mountainlad your right I just checked the rule book, I'm guessing it was a category 2 offence if they both got straight red, the punishment gets more severe if you hit an official but I doubt they went that far...

Category IIInfractions

5.1 To strike or attempt to strike an opponent with

arm, elbow, hand or knee.

5.2 To kick or attempt to kick an opponent, with

minimal force.

5.3 To behave in any way which is dangerous to

an opponent.

5.4 To spit at an opponent.

5.5 To contribute to a melee.

5.6 To use abusive language to a Referee, Umpire,

Linesman or Sideline Official.

Category II

Minimum; 4 weeks Suspension in the sameCode and at

the same Level, inclusive of the nextGame in the same

Competition of that Competition Year,even if that Game falls

outside the Suspension time period.

Hoganstand have finally got wind of the John Mullane story;

http://www.hoganstand.com/Hurling/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197834

Reading this again, it actually has made me quite angry. He had retired and stressed on numerous occasions that he wouldn't return, why should management have to pick up the phone and call him in advance of a high profile game? If he wanted to make himself available he could easily have done so. It's a bit like the ridiculous quotes that Stephen Ireland trots out every now and again when he needs media attention:rolleyes: I hope John reflects on these comments and realises that they were unfair on the panel of players who had been training hard all year in advance of the Championship.

The article also reminded me of a couple of players who were 'retired' well before their time during the Davy era. Always thought Bull Phelan was a fine hurler but Davy didn't want to know. Declan Prendergast was another who went before his time when he still had plenty to offer.

noiniho

doz wrote: »

Hoganstand have finally got wind of the John Mullane story;

http://www.hoganstand.com/Hurling/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197834

Reading this again, it actually has made me quite angry. He had retired and stressed on numerous occasions that he wouldn't return, why should management have to pick up the phone and call him in advance of a high profile game? If he wanted to make himself available he could easily have done so. It's a bit like the ridiculous quotes that Stephen Ireland trots out every now and again when he needs media attention:rolleyes: I hope John reflects on these comments and realises that they were unfair on the panel of players who had been training hard all year in advance of the Championship.

The article also reminded me of a couple of players who were 'retired' well before their time during the Davy era. Always thought Bull Phelan was a fine hurler but Davy didn't want to know. Declan Prendergast was another who went before his time when he still had plenty to offer.

Declan Retired when Michael Ryan came on board, probably got told he wasnt in his plans and was left witht he oppurtunity to retire himself before getting dropped from the panel.

Mullane would want to get off the stage, dont know what he had to gain from that interview, he spent most of it talking rubbish about himself.

Lets face it he has a gripe with Ryan, evidenced by his comments before the Offaly game, with Waterford showing up well against Kilkenny he had nothing else to criticise Ryan about other than not asking him back, sad really, he was making out on one hand he was disappointed he never got the call and was on the other hand saying he wouldnt have returned. so in essence, he was disapointed he didnt get the oppurtunity to say no to Ryan when he came crawling back for him... As good and all as you were John, let it go, it is a sad fact of every GAA team in the country that when you retire it is not long you are forgotten about... that the way it always is, harsh and all as it seems, because when you retire you are of no use anymore.

doz wrote: »

Hoganstand have finally got wind of the John Mullane story;

http://www.hoganstand.com/Hurling/ArticleForm.aspx?ID=197834

Reading this again, it actually has made me quite angry. He had retired and stressed on numerous occasions that he wouldn't return, why should management have to pick up the phone and call him in advance of a high profile game? If he wanted to make himself available he could easily have done so. It's a bit like the ridiculous quotes that Stephen Ireland trots out every now and again when he needs media attention:rolleyes: I hope John reflects on these comments and realises that they were unfair on the panel of players who had been training hard all year in advance of the Championship.

The article also reminded me of a couple of players who were 'retired' well before their time during the Davy era. Always thought Bull Phelan was a fine hurler but Davy didn't want to know. Declan Prendergast was another who went before his time when he still had plenty to offer.

Dec Penders time was up to be fair there have been a lot of talented young backs coming through the past couple years it was time to move on. With regard to Bull Phelan my understanding is that he didnt see eye to eye with a member of Davy Fitz management team rather than Davy himself which put paid to his intercounty career.

I agree totally on Mullane what it all goes to show is that John Mullanes talent is hurling and hurling only. That is what he is renowned and loved for and that is what he should stick to, nothing else. He is not or never will be a journalist or a media celebrity and hes trying milk whatever bit of time he has left in the public eye and squeez every last penny from it. Id like to see him either return to intercounty hurling, or just try and move on from the public eye with a bit of dignity and devote more of this time and energy to his club and family like he said he was going to do when retired. Otherwise people are going to start remembering his legacy with a sour taste in their mouths rather than what what he should be remembered for

Deise_2012

Seems to be a lot of interest for the managers job from both inside and outside the county, the county board would want a kick up the backside fairly lively and just offer Michael Ryan another term because there's great progress been made this year and it can only improve next year based on the amount of players returning and the experience the younger players have gained from this year. Unless Mr.Cody fancys a few years down in carriganore ha, there should be only 1 outcome really

suitcasepink

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of interest for the managers job from both inside and outside the county, the county board would want a kick up the backside fairly lively and just offer Michael Ryan another term because there's great progress been made this year and it can only improve next year based on the amount of players returning and the experience the younger players have gained from this year. Unless Mr.Cody fancys a few years down in carriganore ha, there should be only 1 outcome really

Care to mention some of the interested men involved?

Deise_2012 wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of interest for the managers job from both inside and outside the county, the county board would want a kick up the backside fairly lively and just offer Michael Ryan another term because there's great progress been made this year and it can only improve next year based on the amount of players returning and the experience the younger players have gained from this year. Unless Mr.Cody fancys a few years down in carriganore ha, there should be only 1 outcome really

Ironic that there was no such interest when Davy went and the job was free, a lot of people see an opportunity to piggy back on Ryan's good work all of a sudden! I notice a number of his most vocal detractors have also disappeared from the forum in recent weeks.

It would be pretty shameful stuff if he didn't get at least another year but trusting our county board to do the right thing is not a bet I'd ever take.

doz wrote: »

Ironic that there was no such interest when Davy went and the job was free, a lot of people see an opportunity to piggy back on Ryan's good work all of a sudden! I notice a number of his most vocal detractors have also disappeared from the forum in recent weeks.

It would be pretty shameful stuff if he didn't get at least another year but trusting our county board to do the right thing is not a bet I'd ever take.

Probably applying for the job themselves!

I'd say his position is safe, he's gotten too much praise in the media and from the supporters to be pushed out now.

KevIRL

Mountainlad wrote: »

I'd say his position is safe, he's gotten too much praise in the media and from the supporters to be pushed out now.

With our county board Mountainlad you can never be too sure. Although our poor financial situation should mean that no outside manager will end up in the position. So for once, we are lucky to be so badly off money wise

doz wrote: »

Ironic that there was no such interest when Davy went and the job was free, a lot of people see an opportunity to piggy back on Ryan's good work all of a sudden! I notice a number of his most vocal detractors have also disappeared from the forum in recent weeks.

It would be pretty shameful stuff if he didn't get at least another year but trusting our county board to do the right thing is not a bet I'd ever take.

Under Davy we got to to 4 AI semis in a row and an AI final. this manager we got to a quarter final in his first season and only the second round qualifiers in his second season. From a results point of view is that really huge progress??

Just throwing the argument out there......

robopaddy wrote: »

Under Davy we got to to 4 AI semis in a row and an AI final. this manager we got to a quarter final in his first season and only the second round qualifiers in his second season. From a results point of view is that really huge progress??

Just throwing the argument out there......

It's a fair point. From my own personal point of view I think Davy did a lot of good things with the team, there was a very good team spirit and never day die attitude, a very professional set up and the players were in great condition. However in comparison to today's relatively inexperienced team he had a lot of battle hardened experienced individuals and good players and I never subscribed to the theory that he was doing well with a poor group, he was just unfortunate that Tipp and KK were so strong at the time.

He also did a fair bit of damage to Waterford hurling. He destroyed the confidence of a number of players (Seamus, Nagle, Dan, Shane Fives, arguably even Ken) who have subsequently come good under Ryan (Ken and Dan excepted). His style of hurling was awful to watch; constant handpassing and I always felt like the players were playing in a tactical straitjacket, never really going for the game in the true Waterford style because they were so focused on being tight and disciplined. Many might lambast or ridicule me for the last point but there is a tradition of open and skilful hurling in the county and I think most supporters prefer to see the team playing in that manner. I don't think it's like soccer or Donegal playing football where it's just win however possible; Waterford people take pride in the fact that they have established a tradition of playing exciting hurling. I know a fair few people who stayed away from games during Davy's reign on that basis, rightly or wrongly, because they found the team difficult to watch.

I believe we are now on the cusp of potentially a very exciting era for Waterford hurling. There is a good amount of quality in the panel and hopefully more to come through. Despite the results the last two years I think there is a sense of optimism returning to our support that had disappeared under Davy. Ryan brings a wonderful level of honesty and hard work to the table which really shows in how the players perform and I think fans have warmed to that. He may not be successful results wise in the long term but whoever comes after him should have plenty to work with.

At the end of the day once I see the lads going out there, trying to play the game the right way and leaving nothing behind it makes me proud to be from Waterford. Isn't that why we all travel around the country every year after all, to show the lads that we are proud of how they represent our communities and our county?

KevIRL wrote: »

With our county board Mountainlad you can never be too sure. Although our poor financial situation should mean that no outside manager will end up in the position. So for once, we are lucky to be so badly off money wise

Their form so far has been to back Davy, when they initially came in even though it was the perfect time to shaft him and say they wanted their own man, and again 2011 when they could have pointed to the Munster Final they didn't want him to go even though we couldn't possibly afford him.

Michael Ryan is the first appointment under the new secretary and chairman. He's cheap, and he has kept Waterford up twice in the league despite being favourites for the drop both times. Last year's quarter final was disappointing but unfortunate. This year we got Kilkenny in a round three qualifier, only one team has had to deal with that before I'm fairly sure (and I suppose Tipp this year who got them in round two). And we ahve never run them more close.

Now that's the purely positive spin on it but I think that's likely to be how they will see it. Board's generally aren't in the habit of intentionally undermining themselves.

The other thing is, we all seem to be quite fond of having a cut at the County board. I'm not sure to be honest the make up of the board at the moment, how many people have been their for years. But I wonder does anyone here actually now Cunningham or O'Keeffe, I certainly don't. The financial mess is terrible but in the positions they are in now it was inherited really. Still, I'm don't think they're doing a great job of fixing it but it's not easy.

Just saying that (not you particularly Kev) that there is a tendency to criticize just about everyone here, from managers of all the underage teams and the higher profile members of the board and even some people had the neck to criticize minors aged 16-18 and not only that but namecheck them as well, just think maybe it goes a bit far sometimes.