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Is there any proven evidance that steroids have a perminent negative effect on ones b

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pharmaton

ody?

HandsomeJonny

No. You should definitely start using more steroids. It will do you the world of good.

Hoins

HandsomeJonny wrote: »

No. You should definitely start using more steroids. It will do you the world of good.

Never touched anything like them, but...... good man for the great input

Miike

Yes, yes there is.

Hoins

Miike wrote: »

Yes, yes there is.

Where then?

Miike

Google scholars will show you all the research simply search "The effects of androgenic-anabolic steroids"

I also know Harrison G. Pope done a short study on the psychiatric effects if you Google him and the same buzz words. However with Harrison's study it's important to keep in mind it was a narrow spectrum analysis and not fully comprehensive off AAS use fall-out.

kneemos

Hoins wrote: »

Where then?

Are you trying to have an argument with yourself?

Hoins

kneemos wrote: »

Are you trying to have an argument with yourself?

What gave you that idea?
Because I simply asked where???
The whole point of the thread was to find out if anyone had come across studies that concluded perminent effects..

Are you trying to start an argument with something you haven't got a clue in?

Miike

Also judging by your question one can assume you won't understand the studies or the manner in which they are presented so allow me to sum it up for you.

If there was no negative effects of Androgenic-anabolic steroids, the pharmaceutical industry would be wiping the floor with AAS users and hitting the FDA (Etc.) with research 24/7 to get them put on the shelves. The steroid prevalence in the 'body-building' industry (and I use that term VERY lightly in this case...) is one of multi-million dollar underground sales per anum, do you think pharmaceutical companies don't want to be a part of that?

Hoins

Miike wrote: »

Also judging by your question one can assume you won't understand the studies or the manner in which they are presented so allow me to sum it up for you.

If there was no negative effects of Androgenic-anabolic steroids, the pharmaceutical industry would be wiping the floor with AAS users and hitting the FDA (Etc.) with research 24/7 to get them put on the shelves. The steroid prevalence in the 'body-building' industry (and I use that term VERY lightly in this case...) is one of multi-million dollar underground sales per anum, do you think pharmaceutical companies don't want to be a part of that?

From what I understand the pharmaceutical industry has a massive involvement in the ASS industry. Not every safe drug is available on a shelve,
No?

Miike

Hoins wrote: »

From what I understand the pharmaceutical industry has a massive involvement in the ASS industry. Not every safe drug is available on a shelve,
No?

Well I should also point out, AAS's are used "safely" in modern medicine all the time when it comes to growth related issues. However what you need to understand is the fundamentals of what the body can take and how it responds.

Secondly, no most AAS vials that 'body-builders' use are "cooked". They're made in a somewhat make shift lab then vialed and shipped. (From my own personal experience of watching people put them into their bodies)

Finally, No. Not all drugs that are safe on a shelf but that's a bit narrow of the nature of the substance when we talk about AAS.

But all in all some counties such a Thailand and Mexico you can walk into a chemist and buy as much of the stuff as you like. So... to each their own

Hoins

Miike wrote: »

Well I should also point out, AAS's are used "safely" in modern medicine all the time when it comes to growth related issues. However what you need to understand is the fundamentals of what the body can take and how it responds.

Secondly, no most AAS vials that 'body-builders' use are "cooked". They're made in a somewhat make shift lab then vialed and shipped. (From my own personal experience of watching people put them into their bodies)

Finally, No. Not all drugs that are safe on a shelf but that's a bit narrow of the nature of the substance when we talk about AAS.

But all in all some counties such a Thailand and Mexico you can walk into a chemist and buy as much of the stuff as you like. So... to each their own

Agree with you all the way, but still the question lies.

Miike

Hoins wrote: »

Agree with you all the way, but still the question lies.

There is ample research to portray the negative effects to answer that. If you google the stuff I previously mentioned

Hoins

Miike wrote: »

There is ample research to portray the negative effects to answer that. If you google the stuff I previously mentioned [/quote

Trust me ive googled this, that's why I came here. Im very aware of the short term effects a reversible effects but nothing proves to be perminent not reversible if taking in moderation ( such as testosternone replacement therapy)

Thanks for your input man, much
appreciated

[Deleted User]

ollox?

Yup.

Hoins

Sacramento wrote: »

ollox?

Yup.

Hahahaaa good man

[Deleted User]

Seriously though, with regard to permanent side effects, anabolic steroids can cause a huge amount of serious problems, both mental and physical.

Research suggests that it can cause aggression, depression, paranoia etc.. In addition to the physical problems such as eye, heart, kidney, liver and stomach damage. I've seen first hand the way it changes a persons personality and for what? So you can look like you're wearing a bubble jacket underneath your skin? Ever see a roided out person try to run? Their thighs get so big they walk like they have a spud up their árse.
They can't wear corduroy trousers because they'll deafen themselves and those around them.

bumper234

Hoins wrote: »

What gave you that idea?
Because I simply asked where???
The whole point of the thread was to find out if anyone had come across studies that concluded perminent effects..

Are you trying to start an argument with something you haven't got a clue in?

Roid rage?

Joe10000

What is the question ?

tin79

Go look at the list of all the pro wrestlers who have died young in the last ten years. That will give you an idea of what they can do.

suicide_circus

OP has serious roid rage due to his shrunken genitals

Vomit

The problem with them is abuse. And they are extremely prevalent in society today. You can see loads of men walking around Dublin City who are obviously juicing. It might be better if they were legal so that users could take them under supervision without relying on bro-science and internet advice. Stupidity is responsible for misadventures with steroids, not really the drugs themselves.

A lot of Hollywood actors use them. Just google Christian Bale 'Machinist' vs 'Batman Begins'. Apparently there were only 5 months between filming. He CLAIMS he ate hamburgers and lifted 'very heavy weights'. Riiiight. And look at Hugh Jackman in the Wolverine films- every time he changes into Huge Jacked-man! And Chris Hemsworth- I remember seeing him in Star Trek...normal looking guy- then in Thor..blimey charlie! My point is that under a doctor's supervision, and with a little bit of cop on, one can safely use these drugs without problems.

El_Duderino 09

Hoins wrote: »

Where then?

Here
Steroid use and mental health here (30 year follow-up study on athletes)
http://bjsm.bmj.com/content/early/2013/04/22/bjsports-2012-091340.short

Here
Steroid use and violent crime
http://uu.diva-portal.org/smash/record.jsf?pid=diva2:601819

Here
long term effect on the heart (Animal study)
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0278691513002019

And Here
Cardiovascular risk in athletes
http://cpr.sagepub.com/content/20/2/195.short

Wibbs

Vomit wrote: »

The problem with them is abuse.

I'd kinda go along with that myself. Problem is people tend to overdo things when they see results and reckon more is good. Whatever about steroids, I could see taking things like testosterone and human growth hormone as men age and their levels drop as a kind of HRT for blokes. In medically supervised low doses to match those of youth of course. Apparently HGH has quite the positive affect.

Ush1

Depends what you mean by steroids?

Cortisol derivatives for instance can have long term effects on bone density.

kingcobra

Back in the days of East and West Germany, a lot of East Germany athletes were forced to take steroids so sport in the country would be renowned on a worldwide scale, thus improving the country's image.

A lot of the doped athletes are now in lawsuits against some of the instigators and of course, they've had to carry the burden of years of steroid abuse, with ailments such as heart disease, high blood pressure and nerve damage, to name a few. In fact one athlete, Andreas Kreiger had a sex change because the amount of testosterone she took made her develop male characteristics.

Wiki article

I Heart Internet

Steroids give you haemorrhoids.

I'd have thought that was obvious OP.

Don't use them unless prescribed by a real, actual medical doctor.

Nemeses

Would help if the OP put the question in context..

Then I'm sure I could give a better response... an awesome response. A savage AH classic response.

Hoins

Nemeses wrote: »

Would help if the OP put the question in context..

Then I'm sure I could give a better response... an awesome response. A savage AH classic response.

What I was trying to get at was it the abuse of steroids that is the dangerous part or can they be takin with moderation and caution in a safe manner, ie regular blood work done ect.

krudler

There's an excellent documentary on the subject called Bigger, Stronger, Faster. Its on youtube as far as I know. It's a pretty level headed and unbiased look at steroids as a whole, both from a medicinal perspective and the cheating in sports/cosmetic angle.

Can steroids be taken safely? yes. Are they going to turn you into a roid rage fuelled loon? not likely aside from long term abuse in a minority.