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Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2013/14

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keano_afc

I dont think a team wanting to hang on to their best players or slapping big price tags on them is taking the piss. A big part of me wishes we werent so spineless when it came to selling players in the past.

speedboatchase

cathalio11 wrote: »

You say that he is taking the piss as if it is a bad thing.

Maybe Wenger should have done the same with Fabregas or other star players.

Not at all. I greatly admire Levy, he's doing the right thing and standing up to Real. I wish we had someone like him at Arsenal so we wouldn't become a feeder club for Barcelona and Man City.

EDIT: What I meant by "taking the piss" was that Levy came up with a figure that would completely outrage Real for a player he won't sell ("Just Madness" is the Marca headline) and cannot be seen as a realistic valuation.

cathalio11

speedboatchase wrote: »

We should still be in a rush for Suarez though because 1. Real will swoop if Levy continues to take the piss (asking for €145m according to today's Marca) and 2. Liverpool need to time to find a replacement if they are to sell him - the longer we wait, the longer the replacements for Liverpool shrink and therefore it becomes more in their interest to raise his price.

You say that he is taking the piss as if it is a bad thing.

Maybe Wenger should have done the same with Fabregas or other star players.

batistuta9

Rodgers said there's a cut off point with suarez, in one of the interviews on their tour.

which makes perfect sense whatever way you look at it, wait as long as you can for real or another overseas team to bid, if they do, they do & if they don't and if arsenal stump up for him, let him go and there's still time to reinvest the money, in either scenario

i don't know if thats what they'll stick to but selling suarez too late and not doing something with the money isn't that wise - as we know - and will hardly go down too well with the fans either

the longer the bale stuff drags on too the better, reports his parents even met with levy at the w'kend, it's giving arsenal a greater chance you'd think

speedboatchase

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

Completely agree.

With Suarez you could say they aren't in a rush because he'll be suspended for the opening games of the season anyone but there's no excuse for other players.

We should still be in a rush for Suarez though because 1. Real will swoop if Levy continues to take the piss (asking for €145m according to today's Marca) and 2. Liverpool need to time to find a replacement if they are to sell him - the longer we wait, the longer the replacements for Liverpool shrink and therefore it becomes more in their interest to raise his price.

Pepe LeFrits

gosplan wrote: »

I don't know about Amy Lawrence's track record with these things but Wenger not wanting to spend seems pretty plausible.

He has to understand at some stage 2 things

1: the value he's looking for doesn't exist any more. Retaining our budget through successive windows is useless. The money does not serve the club when it's sitting in the bank.

2: this will finish him at Arsenal. We've a chance to push on this year and challenge. The only club I would worry about putting up a rediculous points total is Chelsea if it all clicks. We can catch everyone else with done improvement. If we don't, it's his fault and it will finish him at the club. Right now we're separate injuries away from a crisis at CF, DMF and CB. Of you can't find anyone to strengthen those areas despite a pretty much unlimited budget, then the market is not to blame.

All that said, I'm guessing he's just being a stubborn git and looking for the best possible value from Suarez.

Completely agree.

With Suarez you could say they aren't in a rush because he'll be suspended for the opening games of the season anyone but there's no excuse for other players.

Roddy23

gosplan wrote: »

I don't know about Amy Lawrence's track record with these things but Wenger not wanting to spend seems pretty plausible.

He has to understand at some stage 2 things

1: the value he's looking for doesn't exist any more. Retaining our budget through successive windows is useless. The money does not serve the club when it's sitting in the bank.

2: this will finish him at Arsenal. We've a chance to push on this year and challenge. The only club I would worry about putting up a rediculous points total is Chelsea if it all clicks. We can catch everyone else with done improvement. If we don't, it's his fault and it will finish him at the club. Right now we're separate injuries away from a crisis at CF, DMF and CB. Of you can't find anyone to strengthen those areas despite a pretty much unlimited budget, then the market is not to blame.

All that said, I'm guessing he's just being a stubborn git and looking for the best possible value from Suarez.

I completely agree with your second point. I had hoped we had learnt our lessons coming into this transfer window, and it looked for all intended purposes that we had with the shipping out of the deadwood. However we have resorted to just sitting on our hands. I'm still hopeful we can buy in the 3 or 4 players our squad desperately needs, but the reality is our business should have been done a long time ago. If we fail to add any players I really do fear for the club. The fans will turn on the club.

speedboatchase

gosplan wrote: »

I don't know about Amy Lawrence's track record with these things but Wenger not wanting to spend seems pretty plausible.

He has to understand at some stage 2 things

1: the value he's looking for doesn't exist any more. Retaining our budget through successive windows is useless. The money does not serve the club when it's sitting in the bank.

2: this will finish him at Arsenal. We've a chance to push on this year and challenge. The only club I would worry about putting up a rediculous points total is Chelsea if it all clicks. We can catch everyone else with done improvement. If we don't, it's his fault and it will finish him at the club. Right now we're separate injuries away from a crisis at CF, DMF and CB. Of you can't find anyone to strengthen those areas despite a pretty much unlimited budget, then the market is not to blame.

All that said, I'm guessing he's just being a stubborn git and looking for the best possible value from Suarez.

Great post. In recent years I've said that we've never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity but if there is no investment from now until the start of the season, I'm afraid that we're looking at a 5th place finish at least and who knows who end up with in our CL qualifier. It's incredible that we've reached this point but if the blame falls at the feet of Wenger it must also fall at the feet of the board for offering him a contract extension.

gosplan

tayto lover wrote: »

The lack of the promised signings is very worrying though and it's hard to imagine the mindsets of those in power at Arsenal and why they allow it to continue so late in the window.

I don't know about Amy Lawrence's track record with these things but Wenger not wanting to spend seems pretty plausible.

He has to understand at some stage 2 things

1: the value he's looking for doesn't exist any more. Retaining our budget through successive windows is useless. The money does not serve the club when it's sitting in the bank.

2: this will finish him at Arsenal. We've a chance to push on this year and challenge. The only club I would worry about putting up a rediculous points total is Chelsea if it all clicks. We can catch everyone else with done improvement. If we don't, it's his fault and it will finish him at the club. Right now we're separate injuries away from a crisis at CF, DMF and CB. Of you can't find anyone to strengthen those areas despite a pretty much unlimited budget, then the market is not to blame.

All that said, I'm guessing he's just being a stubborn git and looking for the best possible value from Suarez.

dfx-

bad2dabone wrote: »

Go to bed now my sweet gooners. Tomorrow we will sign someone. Tomorrow. Tomorrow maybe tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=banXT6azA-4

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Today's bid leaked.......

bad2dabone

Go to bed now my sweet gooners. Tomorrow we will sign someone. Tomorrow. Tomorrow maybe tomorrow.

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Royale with Cheese

gosplan wrote: »

Arrrggghhhhhhhhh!!!!

Nothing!!

We're doomed I tells ya. DOOOOOMED!!!

gosplan

gosplan wrote: »

OK. Just saw 4 new pages in last two hours.

Anyway. There better be some decent news in what I'm about to read.

Arrrggghhhhhhhhh!!!!

Nothing!!

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gosplan wrote: »

Just finished watching 'the place beyond the pines'. Good film, very different.

I found it pretty contrived with the second half full of tedious inevitability. Bit like Arsenal transfer windows. :pac:

gosplan

OK. Just saw 4 new pages in last two hours.

Just finished watching 'the place beyond the pines'. Good film, very different.

Anyway. There better be some decent news in what I'm about to read.

astonaidan

dvemail wrote: »

Exactly what every top class player loves to hear.
"Don't worry you are our back up plan"

Kinda like trying to shift the hot girls friend after she turns you down

speedboatchase

dvemail wrote: »

Exactly what every top class player loves to hear.
"Don't worry you are our back up plan"

There's nothing insulting about being Plan B for Real if they are unable to smash the world transfer record with Plan A.

Awesomeness

tayto lover wrote: »

I see Chamack is still at the club.
Could we not raffle him and Bendtner?
Imagine those two as back-up next season.

This is pretty ridiculous. Yes we want rid of them and yes we want new players but you know there is no way that they will be anywhere near the team and I wish people would stop saying it.

Ahead of them you have giroud, Poldi, Theo, Sanogo and Akpom at least

dvemail

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

SSN: Real Madrid have informed Luis Suárez's representatives that he is very much their second choice option behind Bale. #afc

Exactly what every top class player loves to hear.
"Don't worry you are our back up plan"

speedboatchase

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

SSN: Real Madrid have informed Luis Suárez's representatives that he is very much their second choice option behind Bale. #afc

Which is why it's crazy that we haven't stolen a march and made another bid. He'll either go to Real or we won't bid enough for Liverpool to sell him.

Gringo180

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Was just thinkin back to the season we lost the league at Birmingham, we lost hleb flamini and gilberto that summer and bought ramsey- project and nasri, if we had of spent maybe 25 million and brought in 2 players we would have mounted another title challenge the next season and things could be so different now, just a random thought.

Really was criminal letting Gilberto go so early, I think he could of done a job for another few years and it would of benefited the likes of Ramsey, Song and Wilsheres development. Same thing could be said of Pires too.

In terms of the investment into the team, its been neglected for far too long , now is the time to show some ambition and bring in some real quality that will improve not only the squad but the starting XI!!

tayto lover

I wouldn't believe too much of what i'd read in the Daily Mirror though.
Paper never refuses ink.

The lack of the promised signings is very worrying though and it's hard to imagine the mindsets of those in power at Arsenal and why they allow it to continue so late in the window.

.jacksparrow.

SSN: Real Madrid have informed Luis Suárez's representatives that he is very much their second choice option behind Bale. #afc

speedboatchase

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

He seems hell bent on his way or the high way.

It's just sad to see at this stage. Too much Wenger control and too many happy to continue the status quo of slowc decline. They're delighted to offer him a new contract too.

If the Mirror story is correct, just forget about Suarez moving to us. Even if we no competition, we won't pay the market rate again to take the step to the next level.

.jacksparrow.

Was just thinkin back to the season we lost the league at Birmingham, we lost hleb flamini and gilberto that summer and bought ramsey- project and nasri, if we had of spent maybe 25 million and brought in 2 players we would have mounted another title challenge the next season and things could be so different now, just a random thought.

tayto lover

speedboatchase wrote: »

How can he not see the obvious flaws and holes in the team, then see our budget, and not want to fix things?

I am firmly of the belief that we could have won titles if we had only spent money to fill the gaping gaps. Very little money was needed but pig-headedness prevented it.

.jacksparrow.

speedboatchase wrote: »

How can he not see the obvious flaws and holes in the team, then see our budget, and not want to fix things?

He seems hell bent on his way or the high way.

Gringo180

speedboatchase wrote: »

Realistically, as it stands, this is the season we drop out of the CL and yet it's so incredibly avoidable - spend some bloody money, find the back-ups we need and get everyone excited again. We genuinely do not seem to be chasing any player and are resigned to letting any target just flitter away. Feels horrible to say this but the fans have got make their voices known about this situation during Emirates Cup and make sure Wenger hears it.

Totally agree. You really have to feel for the season ticket holders who pay extortionate prices to watch a very average team compared to years gone by.