Femme_Fatale wrote: » I think there's a bit of a bandwagon going re Mother Teresa. She still did a lot more to help the poor and sick than most others did. And under extremely difficult circumstances in a hell-hole like Calcutta.
Prodigious wrote: » Hand he slept beside young girls to test himself?
padd b1975 wrote: » The WWF (World Wildlife Fund) Seriously shady organisation in terms of how it's funded when you look beyond the pictures of cute pandas.
Cathal Cloch wrote: » What actions? Allow me to pull you along by your nose into my trap.
playadeldick wrote: » Che was a mainstay of the hardline pro-Soviet faction, and his faction won. Che presided over the Cuban Revolution's first firing squads. He founded Cuba's "labor camp" system—the system that was eventually employed to incarcerate gays, dissidents, and AIDS victims. To get himself killed, and to get a lot of other people killed, was central to Che's imagination. In the famous essay in which he issued his ringing call for "two, three, many Vietnams," he also spoke about martyrdom and managed to compose a number of chilling phrases: "Hatred as an element of struggle; unbending hatred for the enemy, which pushes a human being beyond his natural limitations, making him into an effective, violent, selective, and cold-blooded killing machine. This is what our soldiers must become …"— and so on
Gummy Panda wrote: » The pandas wrestling in those shows were there of their own free will
MYOB wrote: » When he could have got the plane down on a runway, and salvageable without risking life. Americans love a "hero" though.
Dimithy wrote: » Something like this?
Da Shins Kelly wrote: » I don't think there are any true "heroes". The whole notion comes from people liking to think that some people are perfect and morally upstanding and all the rest. Turning them into these idealized figures is only going to leave you disappointed. The fact is, they're only human.
Yitzhak Rabin wrote: » There were plenty of people fighting it. Their names were Isaac Butt, Charles Stewart Parnell a John Redmond. They were the ones who had the people's support. The other crowd consisted of men like Padraig Pearse who fantasised about bloodshed and boys arses.
Cathal Cloch wrote: » This man's attitudes were formed by what he saw happening to people in South America. The US was running amok in the region installing anti-democratic puppet regimes at the behest of murderous corporations and ideologues. See United Fruit and Guatemala. Focussing on Che Guevara's violence without placing it in the wider context of inherently murderous imperialism is little more than useful idiocy.
nervous_twitch wrote: » Can you link me to the 'reality' of this story please? I've never heard it and I'm interested.
Dr. Bre wrote: » Which Armstrong?Lance Or Neil
Dimithy wrote: » I'm guessing you'll only vilify one side though?
mightdomighty wrote: » "Tommy Robinson" English Defence league leader
Duggy747 wrote: » Mother Teresa may have helped people but that certainly doesn't raise her above criticism for how she went about it, which was terribly misguided. Especially when you consider the sheer amount of money that was involved.
Cathal Cloch wrote: » Afaia there was only one side that was propping up dictators, funding death squads, and brutally crushing democratic movements; this is the side that the lens of condemnation should focus on first. Any reaction against such murderous brutality is a footnote rather than the main act.
MYOB wrote: » There's a book about it, as well as a lot of forum posts. US obsession has overwritten a lot of it. Guy is an egotist. Basically he had the altitude to glide the plane in to Teterboro Airport, a large but private only airport in NJ. But he refused and insisted on going in to the river, something relatively un-done. Showboating with peoples lives and a multi-million dollar plane.
Mardy Bum wrote: » Only idiots would describe him as a hero in the first place.
Sergeant wrote: » There are many examples of people throughout history who are seen as heroes by people who admire what they did. From Caesar to Armstrong. Yet they turn out to be fundamentally flawed. For example, I remember watching Motorcycle Diaries about the life of Che Guevara. It was a wonderfully evocative piece of cinema. I then did some reading about the chap. Turns out he was rather different than the romanticised portrayal shown in the movie. A cold-hearted and vindictive murderer. Over 4000 people died without fair trial in prison camps he administered. He was personally responsible for acts of torture and death. Yet he has managed to become a poster-child and an iconic figure planted on many a cheap sweatshop manufactured t-shirt. Any other examples of people who you feel don't deserve the badge of 'hero' that has been placed upon them?
