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How will you choose between MS & Sony's new consoles?

Josey Wales

If Sony and Microsoft release both of their new machines later this year how will you decided which machine to get? For the sake of discussion lets just say that they will be released this year.

Will it be brand loyalty? You've bought into the MS Live eco system or PSN and don't want to switch? Will it be the hardware specs of the machine or the launch line up of games? Will it be backwards compatibility? Price?

For me right now I have no idea which I would choose. In this current generation I bought all three (Wii, PS3, 360). I don't think brand loyalty will be a factor for me. In the end I will probably end up with both so I will just have to decide which one first. One important factor will be what Naughty Dog has lined up for the PS4 (or whatever they call it).

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Pushtrak

Chinpool wrote: »

The ps4 chassis is basically a giant vent. Almost the entire back of it and the slits you see are all ventilation

I guess I'm naturally paranoid in ways. The ventilation can only be as good as the fans is my thinking, and with so much stuff in there, they'd have to be small. That's my thinking, anyway, flawed as it might be.

DjFlin

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The 24 hour check-in won't be a big drawback to the vast majority or people and chances are most won't even know about it until their net connection goes down for more than 24 hours. What happens when it doesn't check in? Are you able to play games still? Does it just stop you from activating new games until next check in or what?

If you cant complete the online check in, you lose access to all games. Only functions like Music/Video playback will work.

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Trade ins are still there but not as easy as it is with the 360 and PS3. Publishers can block a game from being traded in if they want but we'll have to wait and see how many choose to do that. I really don't see either the 24 hour check in or the changes to trade in policy putting many people off whereas that family member thing could actually win a lot of people over. Hell, it's piqued my interest and I wasn't even planning on getting a console.

Amazon brought out a feature on Kindle a while back that let you "lend" books to your friends if publishers allowed it. Can you guess how many did?

Giving the Publishers the option to allow/disallow used games is like straight up saying "No used games"

I'd be interested to see if that family member plan allows everyone to play online too.

The PS4 only requires 1 PS+ subscription per console for everyone on it to play online.

FlyingIrishMan

Pushtrak wrote: »

This should be a source of concern, not joy. Both 360 and PS3 suffered from the consoles overheating. How is the PS4 going to do being so small? Dangerous game.

Sony is a hardware company, they specialise in that sort of stuff.
The latest PS3 slim has some weird fancy aerodynamic plasticky stuff to push the heat out to the back vents. Considering the PS4 is actually smaller than the PS3 slim I'd guess this has some sort of similar system.

AlmightyCushion

Pushtrak wrote: »

This should be a source of concern, not joy. Both 360 and PS3 suffered from the consoles overheating. How is the PS4 going to do being so small? Dangerous game.

I'd prefer if it was internal. Properly designed it isn't a problem. I do worry that it could be too small to deal with the heat generated. I just can't see how it is more powerful than the XBox but is much smaller and has an internal power supply.

Professey Chin

Pushtrak wrote: »

This should be a source of concern, not joy. Both 360 and PS3 suffered from the consoles overheating. How is the PS4 going to do being so small? Dangerous game.

The ps4 chassis is basically a giant vent. Almost the entire back of it and the slits you see are all ventilation

Grayditch

Yeah, I don't mind a powerbrick, if it means longer life for the console.

Pushtrak

I don't know. In fairness, though, if this is the biggest thing the PS4 can do to make me worry, they're looking very good. Though it is still a worry. It isn't like they'd announce anything that could be taken in a bad light. We'll see, I guess.

Dyr

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

Nope. PS4 powerbrick is internal.

in the words of karl hooper "thats amazing!"

Genghiz Cohen

Newer architectures run cooler.... or something...

Pushtrak

FlyingIrishMan wrote: »

Nope. PS4 powerbrick is internal.

This should be a source of concern, not joy. Both 360 and PS3 suffered from the consoles overheating. How is the PS4 going to do being so small? Dangerous game.

FlyingIrishMan

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

The XBoner has an external power brick, does the PS4 have one too?

Nope. PS4 powerbrick is internal.

AlmightyCushion

Deano7788 wrote: »

A size comparison between the different consoles.

Given the PS4 has the more powerful hardware (or so I've read) it's amazing it's the smallest of the lot. The XBoner has an external power brick, does the PS4 have one too? It must do given its size. Anywho, I can't wait to see an ifixit tear down of the two to see what is causing the difference in size. Maybe Microsoft are putting in better, bigger heatsinks as a precaution to prevent another RROD fiasco.

On another note, I seen this story over on Ars. That family members thing sounds awesome and could be a big draw to the console for Microsoft. Up to 10 "family members" (hopefully you can add and remove who a family member is relatively easily) and you can all play each other's catalogues of games. Hopefully, there is the ability to browse a family member's library. If there is this makes lending games between friends easier than the PS4, although limits who you can lend to/from. This has the potential to be a big selling point to people especially parents.

The 24 hour check-in won't be a big drawback to the vast majority or people and chances are most won't even know about it until their net connection goes down for more than 24 hours. What happens when it doesn't check in? Are you able to play games still? Does it just stop you from activating new games until next check in or what?

Trade ins are still there but not as easy as it is with the 360 and PS3. Publishers can block a game from being traded in if they want but we'll have to wait and see how many choose to do that. I really don't see either the 24 hour check in or the changes to trade in policy putting many people off whereas that family member thing could actually win a lot of people over. Hell, it's piqued my interest and I wasn't even planning on getting a console.

Kinect being bundled is a bit risky. Every one having one means that developers may be more likely to use it in real games (Halo, Watchdogs, Deus Ex, Mass Effect style games not that Dance Central style shíte and party games) that add to the gameplay and not just some crap that some eejit decided to shoe horn into the game because it's there. If that does happen then it could be another advantage to the XBox. If it doesn't really take off for things other than Dance Central or useless shoe horned in crap then I guess they can always sell the XBox without it and reduce the price later on to compete price wise with the PS4.

Burgo

ShadowHearth wrote: »

WTF... No way it will be out with all those games! Surely there is some mistake in there. A good few games in that list are not even announced properly.

It's not a launch list, just a list of games confirmed for ps4.

gizmo

ShadowHearth wrote: »

Is there a list which lists all launch games? Multiplatform too?

There may be one floating around but I've not seen it yet anyway. Your best bet is looking at the upcoming releases list on Eurogamer or a similar site and going a bit of quick googling from that.

ShadowHearth

gizmo wrote: »

What Deano7788 said above. The currently confirmed exclusive launch titles are Killzone, Infamous, Knack and DriveClub.

Is there a list which lists all launch games? Multiplatform too?

gizmo

ShaneU wrote: »

Infamous isn't a launch title

Ah yes, seems that's been updated to be Q1 2014.

ShaneU

Infamous isn't a launch title

ShadowHearth

Deano7788 wrote: »

They're not all launch titles, just titles announced for the console in general.

List is sick anyway. I wonder when will they port Dust514 in to ps4. I LOVE EVE, but Dust on ps3 looks really damn horrible!

gizmo

ShadowHearth wrote: »

WTF... No way it will be out with all those games! Surely there is some mistake in there. A good few games in that list are not even announced properly.

What Deano7788 said above. The currently confirmed exclusive launch titles are Killzone, Infamous, Knack and DriveClub.

Deano7788

ShadowHearth wrote: »

WTF... No way it will be out with all those games! Surely there is some mistake in there. A good few games in that list are not even announced properly.

They're not all launch titles, just titles announced for the console in general.

ShadowHearth

gizmo wrote: »

And there's the list of PS4 exclusives and multiplatforms...

WTF... No way it will be out with all those games! Surely there is some mistake in there. A good few games in that list are not even announced properly.

Dyr

Deano7788 wrote: »

A size comparison between the different consoles.

The xbox one better not only be quiet but also absorb any nearby noises at that size.

Deano7788

A size comparison between the different consoles.

gizmo

And there's the list of PS4 exclusives and multiplatforms...

Pushtrak

I think a poll would be best as a sticky in November. That's where things will be really interesting.

[Deleted User]

This should be a poll ! !

Pushtrak

Captain Chaos wrote: »

For me graphically, yes. The 360/PS3 can look old and tired at times but still remarkable considering their age. FarCry 3 shows their limitations with the backdrops, detail and draw distance for example. That and I need to move on from the DS3 controller, it's crippling my hands with cramps and I keep going back to the 360. Can't wait to try out the bigger and chunkier DS4.

I really hope the DS4 is a big improvement on the DS3. If it is, then I'll likely end up getting the cross gen games there rather than on current gen when I catch up. I really have no idea when I'll be ready to buy next gen in terms of my backlog.

I like doing games 100% but the last couple of days I've had a bit of a slog getting some stuff done. I'm thinking of cutting back on my time to given games beyond what is necessary. I do have too many games to catch up on, so the feck acting should stop, really. If you've played Kingdoms of Amalur, and know the find every lorestone, or if you don't just those find X achievements as an illustration, and even bothering to go for them. I've just been asking myself "why bother".

FlyingIrishMan

CORaven wrote: »

PS4 Cons:
[*]Lack of dedicated servers available for devs and publishers to the extent of the XBone.
[*]One less button. So the select button has been done away with in favour of a share button. This will affect multiplatform games.
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PS4 has the options button which is on the other side of the touchpad, and the touchpad itself is clickable so that acts as another button. So we're actually gaining a button.

And we don't know if there is a lack of dedicated servers yet. Since PS+ is a requirement now its possible that they'll add it, many games on PS3 have dedicated servers even though its a free service.

And party chat was confirmed for PS4. PS4 controller input also allows for stereo surround, not sure if the Xbone's does, but that is a proprietary connection so you can only use officially licensed headsets.

Captain Chaos

Pushtrak wrote: »

, but you largely will have to decide is it worth buying a next gen console for the games you can own on current hardware.

For me graphically, yes. The 360/PS3 can look old and tired at times but still remarkable considering their age. FarCry 3 shows their limitations with the backdrops, detail and draw distance for example. That and I need to move on from the DS3 controller, it's crippling my hands with cramps and I keep going back to the 360. Can't wait to try out the bigger and chunkier DS4.

Richard Dower

I want Arkham Origins for the PS4....:-(