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How will you choose between MS & Sony's new consoles?

Josey Wales

If Sony and Microsoft release both of their new machines later this year how will you decided which machine to get? For the sake of discussion lets just say that they will be released this year.

Will it be brand loyalty? You've bought into the MS Live eco system or PSN and don't want to switch? Will it be the hardware specs of the machine or the launch line up of games? Will it be backwards compatibility? Price?

For me right now I have no idea which I would choose. In this current generation I bought all three (Wii, PS3, 360). I don't think brand loyalty will be a factor for me. In the end I will probably end up with both so I will just have to decide which one first. One important factor will be what Naughty Dog has lined up for the PS4 (or whatever they call it).

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Grayditch

What games looked like they handled better on Xbox than PS4, though. I'm just curious.

Also, Killzone and Dark Scorcery tech demo couldn't be done on current gen.

MadYaker

You say looked much beter, I assume you mean graphics? The new consoles are way more powerful than the old ones so the games will obviously look a lot better. Both are pretty similar in terms of hardware so I would't expect much of a visual difference.

Noffles

Sony PS4 for me... had them all so far, see no reason to change in the press stuff available... the boy had a Xbox.. he may get another who knows.

Dyr

Sofiztikated wrote: »

I catch some of the E3 footage.
I thought Xbone games looked great.
I didn't think PS4 games looked much better than current gen.

Maybe microsoft were running their games off a better spec PC than Sonys? :pac:

Sofiztikated

Grayditch wrote: »

I don't understand this.

I catch some of the E3 footage.
I thought Xbone games looked great.
I didn't think PS4 games looked much better than current gen.

Grayditch

Sofiztikated wrote: »

For me, the Xbone seemed to handle the games better, PS4 honestly didn't seem much better than current gen.

I don't understand this.

Sofiztikated

Right, trying to get away from the drm/always on malarkey.

caught up on some of the release trailers yesterday. And my initial reaction was

Ryse looks superawesome! Titanfall, even my Mrs was impressed. The one that caught her eye was PVZ: Garden Warfare. And she is by no means a gamer, even casual gamer is too strong.

For me, the Xbone seemed to handle the games better, PS4 honestly didn't seem much better than current gen.

I've been swayed back from "Xbone? no fùcking way" to "Xbone? Well, maybe"

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Thanks for proving my point.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7561783808/h78E928C7/

wat?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

James74 wrote: »

But, Sir Digby, they could just as easily make an all encompassing, all singing all dancing entertainment system that also caters for gamers of every shade without the 24 hour check in requirement. If you have internet access then you can take advantage of all the features that require internet access, and for those that don't then those features are not available. You know like the way we have all already been using our various entertainment / gaming systems for a few years now.

I don't disagree, but they chose not to. I don't really like it but I don't think it's a huge deal. Disliking it is fine it's the over the top "ea worst company in america" style responses to it that are ridiculous.

But you are correct, they are under no obligation to make a product that I or any other specific person will like but I do believe that it is in any company's best interest to attract as many potential customers as they can and just as importantly not to alienate potential loyal previous customers.

true enough but I think this'll pay off for them long term. "core gamers" will give out about it for the next while but eventually they'll see a game they "just have to play" and will fork out for an xbone. some won't sure but enough will that ms will have captured a portion of the gaming market as well as the new entertainment market they're gunning for now.

heebusjeebus

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

but I don't see why they'd spend much time on anything other than games for their new hardware at an e3 such a short time before launch. They want people to move to xbone so that's what they focused on.

Thanks for proving my point.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/7561783808/h78E928C7/

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

heebusjeebus wrote: »

How many new XBox 360 games were announced this week then?

well dark souls 2 and world of tanks anyway, but I don't see why they'd spend much time on anything other than games for their new hardware at an e3 such a short time before launch. They want people to move to xbone so that's what they focused on.

:cool:

James74

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

they wanted to create an all in one entertainment device that uses an internet connection to do all sorts of things, they created an all in one entertainment device that uses an internet connection to do all sorts of things. They're not trying to please everybody and certainly not trying to please "core gamers" who are a fickle, hypocritical and ****ing moronic group of people at the best of times.
If an all in one entertainment device that can be used to play games doesn't interest you then the xBone probably isn't for you. It's not a big deal. They are under no obligation to create a product you like and you are under no obligation to like or purchase whatever product they create.

But, Sir Digby, they could just as easily make an all encompassing, all singing all dancing entertainment system that also caters for gamers of every shade without the 24 hour check in requirement. If you have internet access then you can take advantage of all the features that require internet access, and for those that don't then those features are not available. You know like the way we have all already been using our various entertainment / gaming systems for a few years now.

But you are correct, they are under no obligation to make a product that I or any other specific person will like but I do believe that it is in any company's best interest to attract as many potential customers as they can and just as importantly not to alienate potential loyal previous customers.

heebusjeebus

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

games are still going to be released for the 360. can't remember what they said but 5-6 years of support ahead of it I think.

How many new (1st party) XBox 360 games were announced this week then?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

my clarity out clarifies your clarity.

:cool:

Beefy78

shreddedloops wrote: »

I don't see how DRM isn't the top issue on that list. It's going to be a BIG issue consumers.

For some consumers. I consider myself a big gamer but DRM doesn't concern me because I have no interest in trading games, borrowing games or buying pre-owned games.

The potential concern I have for it is the possible removal of another downward pressure on prices for new games.

EDIT - guess I'm talking about some form of DRM anyway. The 'connecting every 24 hours' thing is hella-naff.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

DublinArnie wrote: »

You can't play "top-gen" games in their fullest potential in current gen consoles. So people without proper internet access cannot play top gen games to their fullest because the XBOX ONE requires internet access. Microsoft telling people to stick with the XBOX 360 is a giant metaphor for a middle finger in my opinion. Sucks for you xbox people, I didn't imagine Microsoft pulling such a move. Also, it's now more of an "entertainment" console than a "gaming console" in my opinion.

if you want to play "top gen" games, get a pc. consoles are always going to lag behind, that's just how it is and how it will always be. if you want to look at the various games and control systems that are out for the various gaming platforms and decide for yourself which you prefer, then get a 360/xbone/ps3/ps4/commadore 64.

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Isn't it 'core gamers' who've made the industry the powerhouse that it is today.

Seems arrogant to exclude the people that got you where you are.

they're not excluding core gamers, they're just not focusing on them. microsofts e3 presentation was pretty much all games from what I remember of it and they didn't seem completely terrible.

also surely it's casual gamers that made the industry the powerhouse it is today, "core gamers" being a small number compared to the overall whole.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Are you serious or just trolling?
How can an 8 year old console be an alternative to one being released this year?

Answer me this, does a console connecting to the internet every day make the consumers life easier or better in any way? What benefits do they get or is it all in the interests of Microsoft/Publishers?

EDIT:
Just to be clear I own a PS3 and a 360. I'm looking at this with clarity, I don't think you are.

games are still going to be released for the 360. can't remember what they said but 5-6 years of support ahead of it I think. it's not a dead console yet and if you are so offended by the always on nature of the xBone it's the perfect option for microsoft to push as they are 100% never going to suggest you jump to their immediate competition.
I own a pc. I sold my 360 a month or two ago because I hadn't plugged it in for a year and a half. never owned a ps3 although i'll probably pick one up at some point in the next year to play demons souls and journey. my clarity out clarifies your clarity.

NTMK wrote: »

its the "**** them" attitude that MS have taken tbh. its the same attitude sony had with the ps3 and it put me right off.

and again, less about the actual console and more about the hurt feelings and perceptions of "core gamers" who felt that microsoft "really really cared" about them. they are a business, they think this will make them more money than focusing on an offline games machine. they're probably right too. if you don't like the idea of it, don't buy it. I won't. I'm not taking it personally though as I had nothing invested in the idea of myself as an "xbox gamer".

Kintarō Hattori

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

...They're not trying to please everybody and certainly not trying to please "core gamers" who are a fickle, hypocritical and ****ing moronic group of people at the best of times.
....

Isn't it 'core gamers' who've made the industry the powerhouse that it is today.

Seems arrogant to exclude the people that got you where you are.

DublinArnie

You can't play "top-gen" games in their fullest potential in current gen consoles. So people without proper internet access cannot play top gen games to their fullest because the XBOX ONE requires internet access. Microsoft telling people to stick with the XBOX 360 is a giant metaphor for a middle finger in my opinion. Sucks for you xbox people, I didn't imagine Microsoft pulling such a move. Also, it's now more of an "entertainment" console than a "gaming console" in my opinion.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

James74 wrote: »

Because, rightly or wrongly, it demonstrates an impression of a certain level of arrogance that a manufacturer is comfortable to dismiss a potentially large proportion of their existing customer base from accessing their new hardware. I'm not comfortable with any company that can disregard, or appear to disregard, people that may have already been loyal customers in the past.

they wanted to create an all in one entertainment device that uses an internet connection to do all sorts of things, they created an all in one entertainment device that uses an internet connection to do all sorts of things. They're not trying to please everybody and certainly not trying to please "core gamers" who are a fickle, hypocritical and ****ing moronic group of people at the best of times.
If an all in one entertainment device that can be used to play games doesn't interest you then the xBone probably isn't for you. It's not a big deal. They are under no obligation to create a product you like and you are under no obligation to like or purchase whatever product they create.

NTMK

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

why are people getting offended about being told to stick with the 360 if you dont have good access to internet?

its the "**** them" attitude that MS have taken tbh. its the same attitude sony had with the ps3 and it put me right off.

mattrick has always been an arrogant asshat. this was evident when he was in a senior role at ea (pre 2007). he should not be the face of the xbox divison.

heebusjeebus

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

right, so you dont actually care about the 360 being put forward as an alternative to the xBone you're just using anything and everything microsoft to do have a whinge.

Are you serious or just trolling?
How can an 8 year old console be an alternative to one being released this year?

Answer me this, does a console connecting to the internet every day make the consumers life easier or better in any way? What benefits do they get or is it all in the interests of Microsoft/Publishers?

EDIT:
Just to be clear I own a PS3 and a 360. I'm looking at this with clarity, I don't think you are.

James74

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

why are people getting offended about being told to stick with the 360 if you dont have good access to internet?

Because, rightly or wrongly, it demonstrates an impression of a certain level of arrogance that a manufacturer is comfortable to dismiss a potentially large proportion of their existing customer base from accessing their new hardware. I'm not comfortable with any company that can disregard, or appear to disregard, people that may have already been loyal customers in the past.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

right, so you dont actually care about the 360 being put forward as an alternative to the xBone you're just using anything and everything microsoft to do have a whinge.

heebusjeebus

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

well microsoft aren't going to suggest people move to one of their competitors...

"hey, don't like windows 8? why not try a mac, maybe linux. it's free you know"

Well why don't they try and be less dickish to their consumers?

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well microsoft aren't going to suggest people move to one of their competitors...

"hey, don't like windows 8? why not try a mac, maybe linux. it's free you know"

heebusjeebus

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

why are people getting offended about being told to stick with the 360 if you dont have good access to internet?

...or, maybe move to the PS4.

shreddedloops

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

I'll choose the console based on 5 different things, in ranking order

1-Games (exclusive, indie, online)
2-Specs (graphics, GPU, memory)
3-Bundle offers
4-Price
5-Entertainment.

Now, when I plug in which is best this is what happens

1-Games-XBO
2-Specs-PS4
3-Bundle Offers-???
4-Price-PS4
5-Entertainment-XBO

Which means I have no idea, once it was clear that the next-gen was coming I was putting money aside for the XBO (Until I heard about the PS4). However, unless the PS4 has a bundle offer that is good, I still think I will be going for the XBO due to the simple fact that it has better exclusives.

I don't see how DRM isn't the top issue on that list. It's going to be a BIG issue consumers.

And as for the exclusives/games it's probably not best judging just on E3 announcements.

Right now, I dont see how any open minded consumer would choose the Xbox One over the PS4. Forget fanboyism, it's just good consumer sense.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

why are people getting offended about being told to stick with the 360 if you dont have good access to internet?

Beefy78

mrkiscool2 wrote: »

I'll choose the console based on 5 different things, in ranking order

1-Games (exclusive, indie, online)
2-Specs (graphics, GPU, memory)
3-Bundle offers
4-Price
5-Entertainment.

Now, when I plug in which is best this is what happens

1-Games-XBO
2-Specs-PS4
3-Bundle Offers-???
4-Price-PS4
5-Entertainment-XBO

Which means I have no idea, once it was clear that the next-gen was coming I was putting money aside for the XBO (Until I heard about the PS4). However, unless the PS4 has a bundle offer that is good, I still think I will be going for the XBO due to the simple fact that it has better exclusives.

What makes you think the XBO will be better for entertainment? Seems to me that the PS4 will do everything that the other one will do outside of North America. And the TV stuff seems beyond pointless anyway.

COYVB

DUBLINHITMAN wrote: »

are both consoles going to use Skype for in game chat or will it just be an app

It's just an app. In the case of XBO, it's an app that you can snap to the side while playing a game, but from my understanding of it, it's still an app nevertheless