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Random Wrasslin' thoughts.....

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So this is a thread for your musings which do not deserve an entire thread of its own.

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I just watched Card Subject To Change. Horrific to think that since its been made the following has happened -

Kamala has become an amputee

Sensational Sherrie, Paul Bearer and Trent Acid are dead

Had Kevin Sullivan and Nancy stayed together one of Wrestlings darkest moments would be completely different or never would have happened.

Lacey Von Erich almost became a diva. She is also crazy hot. Pure nom.

I also mused that even while Sherri was a dispicable heel while she was on tv she may well have been my first celeb crush.

All this in one lazy evening.

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Reebrock

bobby_says_hi wrote: »

Though the word is that Sheamus is being groomed to take his spot

The word, eh.

Reebrock

And Happy Birthday to the greatest wrestling commentator of all time... Art Donovan.

jaykhunter

Had a thought : What if people are booked badly intentionally for a couple of reasons besides idiocy?
(Keep CM Punk's years of tribulations, or Curtis Axel now)
1) Get people to rally behind pushing the guy due to this injustice (like how we want Axel to be booked better)
2) People will get behind the guy finally being booked right
3) See if he'll break with shítty booking instead of 'proving his loyalty' (Kaval, Batista/Umaga WM24)
4) To fill time: Booking a year's worth of crap means WWE've ran out the clock for a year.
5) Fans will forgive years of bad booking after a few weeks of stellar booking. (Like it didn't matter what WWE did with Punk for years, as soon as he cut that MITB2011 promo on RAW)

DM_7

Point three mixed with serving the 'apprenticeship' in the WWE - proving themselves to the higher ups that they have the skills as well as willing to work hard because the guy at the top normally works harder than/as hard as anyone else.

Then point 5 is the thing that matters later on, take Cody Rhodes over the last couple of years, easily forgotten of they ever go to push him to the top.

SureYWouldntYa

WWE should really do something to start making heels heels again.

The best heels were the ones who were genuinely dislikeable, like Jericho in '08 or HHH in '05.

DM_7

I now what you mean but fans that post here are too smart to hate anyone unless its Hunter or someone does something bad like the Edge Lita thing.

In general they do well with getting people to dislike the heels. I don't think anything else could possibly have been booked to make Punk more hated by fans in general since RAW 1000.

D.Q

i disliked punk more as a face.

DM_7

D.Q wrote: »

i disliked punk more as a face.

I think that probably shows that WWE's bigger issue is the dull, uninteresting way they tend to book many face wrestlers.

D.Q

absolutely, as soon as they try to make something cool its instantly ruined. As soon as Jerry Lawlor endorses ANYTHING, its awful.

Mr.Saturn

It blows my mind sometimes that Edge was involved in every MitB cash-in somehow, 'til the concept was split between brands. They couldn't have planned that, right?

2005/6- Wins it, cashes in
2006- Interferes in RVD's cash-in
2007- Whips it off Kennedy; cashes-in.
2008- Edge on the wrong end of a cash-in.
2009- Loses WHC to Hardy at ER, only for Punk to cash-in immediately
2010- Decks Jericho enough to enable Swagger's cash-in

garhjw

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

It blows my mind sometimes that Edge was involved in every MitB cash-in somehow, 'til the concept was split between brands. They couldn't have planned that, right?

2005/6- Wins it, cashes in
2006- Interferes in RVD's cash-in
2007- Whips it off Kennedy; cashes-in.
2008- Edge on the wrong end of a cash-in.
2009- Loses WHC to Hardy at ER, only for Punk to cash-in immediately
2010- Decks Jericho enough to enable Swagger's cash-in

He was just another waste of oxygen like hhh and punk

mrkiscool2

garhjw wrote: »

He was just another waste of oxygen like hhh and punk

Woah, woah woah, what? 3 of the greatest wrestlers in their respective eras (HHH-AE, Edge-RA, Punk-PG) are a waste of oxygen? What are you on and where can I get some?
I freaking loved Edge, whether he was part of The Brood, C&E or as a heel. He had some great rivalries in his time, and always brought out the best in whomever he was facing!

gnfnrhead

Mr.Saturn wrote: »

It blows my mind sometimes that Edge was involved in every MitB cash-in somehow, 'til the concept was split between brands. They couldn't have planned that, right?

2005/6- Wins it, cashes in
2006- Interferes in RVD's cash-in
2007- Whips it off Kennedy; cashes-in.
2008- Edge on the wrong end of a cash-in.
2009- Loses WHC to Hardy at ER, only for Punk to cash-in immediately
2010- Decks Jericho enough to enable Swagger's cash-in

WWE rarely plan stuff like that. Undertaker's streak for example was an accident until he got to about 8 and someone realised he was unbeaten. Think number 10 was the first time they made it part of the story.

Likewise with Edge and Wrestlemania. They bent history (competed in MITB the year before but got injured so technically didnt lose) to make him also unbeaten for his WM match with Undertaker. If it was planned he'd have won instead.

Purely co-incidence that he was there or thereabout each time.

[Deleted User]

Props must go to either Creative or the talent themselves when you consider that Nexus members Skip Sheffield, Husky Harris and (although it's only fresh) Michael McGillicutty are mere footnotes. Some brilliantly successful re-packaging IMO.

GTR63

I don't know which current storyline I care less about the HHH and McMahons one or the Bully/Hulk/Brooke one. Disfunctional family crap is so 90's.

Riddle101

Omackeral wrote: »

Props must go to either Creative or the talent themselves when you consider that Nexus members Skip Sheffield, Husky Harris and (although it's only fresh) Michael McGillicutty are mere footnotes. Some brilliantly successful re-packaging IMO.

Most wrestler usually repackaged before they take off, Stone Cold, The Rock, Triple H and Kane were all repackaged before they became successes. Many more too.

ShagNastii

Looking at Jay's OSWreview it's sort of mental when you think of the progress of the federation after Hulkamania.

The fact that it was Bret that emerged to fill the boots of Hulk, Macho and Warrior. You had these larger than life, almost superhero-like characters replaced by the understated excellence of execution.

Really sort of hit home that when you define "era"s you can link it so closely to the crop of characters that were about at the time.

krudler

garhjw wrote: »

He was just another waste of oxygen like hhh and punk

Whaat? Edge was brilliant.

I watch wrestling as much for the production/video packages/crowd reactions as the actual in ring action, possible even more so. The production side of it like the arenas is the part I've always enjoyed the most, the visual aspect.

ShagNastii

krudler wrote: »

Whaat? Edge was brilliant.

I watch wrestling as much for the production/video packages/crowd reactions as the actual in ring action, possible even more so. The production side of it like the arenas is the part I've always enjoyed the most, the visual aspect.

Ditto. It's probably one of the reasons I never completely got sold on indie wrestling. Am a sucker for big F off sets, HD displays and pyro.

Some of the video packages produced in wrestling are so interesting, exciting, compelling and often touching.

Never really understood people saying they bawled and cried over Ric Flair's retirement and HBK's "I'm sorry. I love you" superkick. Never really understood anyone being moved so strongly by wrestling but I have to admit the packages for Eddie(and to a much lesser extent Edge) really pulled on the heart strings. I think it's cause it basically just showed them to be kids that had a dream and lived their dreams. Almost as if it was their destiny.

krudler

ShagNastii wrote: »

Ditto. It's probably one of the reasons I never completely got sold on indie wrestling. Am a sucker for big F off sets, HD displays and pyro.

Some of the video packages produced in wrestling are so interesting, exciting, compelling and often touching.

Never really understood people saying they bawled and cried over Ric Flair's retirement and HBK's "I'm sorry. I love you" superkick. Never really understood anyone being moved so strongly by wrestling but I have to admit the packages for Eddie(and to a much lesser extent Edge) really pulled on the heart strings. I think it's cause it basically just showed them to be kids that had a dream and lived their dreams. Almost as if it was their destiny.

Definitely, their video production department is the best in the world at what they do, they can make even mediocre feuds look epic, the opening Wrestlemania promos are always good, this is one of my favourites

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BKs2sUix7U

Jason Todd

Just watching this weeks Raw and a few thoughts came to mind...

Steph is hotter than ever.

I love the way Ambrose uses the ropes. Instead of little steps or a run-up, he sort of takes a big stride and then leans on it to come off it.

Bryan must surely be the stiffest worker in the WWE.

Some of the best selling is happening at the mo, between Ziggler, Ambrose and Rollins.

Cesaro needs new ring gear, he's too like a porn star or something as is, and not in a funny way like Val Venis.

[Deleted User]

Was sitting in work today and I thought to myself the macho man is truly one of a kind....even think about the name, if you really think about it, it's horrible! Now adays wwe the macho man name would only work on a camp Rico type character but no, savage made it work. The crazy promos and the awesome ring gear....no one could pull of anything similar....growing up I was an ultimate diehard warrior fan but as I'm older I look back and relies warrior Hogan etc can be replicated but there will never be another macho man ever!.....I know I'm rambling but I can't get across how awesome I truly think he was!

downonthefarm

at the mo aj is the only reasin to watch...and those two black birds wo come out with broadus

DEFTLEFTHAND

Bully Ray is an asshole, typical ignorant blue collar New Yorker. I don't care if he lost weight he still looks out of shape, he just further emphases TNA's low notch on the totem pole. The whole Faux biker gang thing is just bloody ridiculous because a real 1&'er would beat Bully six ways to Sunday. No wonder the ratings are in the toilet, putting and keeping a supposed 'World' title on this guy.:rolleyes:

Curtis Axel sounds like a gay pornstar, horrible, the kid can wrestle though in fairness, he resembles more his grandfather than his Dad.

starviewadams

Figured out how to get Hulu plus on the auld Xbox,has the last 3 seasons of Raw,last 6 seasons of Smackdown and every ep of NXT,Main Event and Superstars.Handy enough for me cos I don't have Sky Sports and it's near impossible to find a full episode of Raw on Youtube of a Tuesday morning these days.

ShagNastii

On the topic of repackaging you'd wonder who else would be prime for an overhaul.

I personally would love to see Gabriel really tweak the fearless thrillseeker gimmick or even see Cody go back to the mask, maybe turn it up a notch. Monster him up a bit and get Sandow back in the loop as his evil mastermind.

[Deleted User]

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Bully Ray is an asshole, typical ignorant blue collar New Yorker. I don't care if he lost weight he still looks out of shape, he just further emphases TNA's low notch on the totem pole. The whole Faux biker gang thing is just bloody ridiculous because a real 1&'er would beat Bully six ways to Sunday.

Yeah and a real dancer would totally outdance fandangoo, and a real undertaker I bet would definitely embalm better then wwes taker, don't get me started on the likes of tl hopper, papa shangoo, mountie, repoman etc

They are stealing an idea from a popular tv show that's main character jakks is not in the least bit intimidating, bit it's still a great show.... If you suspend your disbelief you may start enjoying tna more

[Deleted User]

Thanked Sirsok for the very mention of TL Hopper. Thanks are also up for grabs for the first person to give me the name of his beloved plunger.

My own thought for this morning: Always thought it was a nice convenience that Bret Hart and the Jim 'the Anvil' Neidhart had similar enough family names to come up with the cool moniker of the Hart Foundation. Ditto for the inclusion of Jimmy Hart!

jaykhunter

Maybe DEFTLEFTHAND doesn't find lumberjack shirts and camo shorts intimidating! That said he's lumbered with main event comedy jobbers Aces&Eights and a marriage angle with Brooke Hogan. He's done a great job considering what he's given. That said if you don't like Brother Ray's transformation you never will!

Hashtag_HEEL

Just watching through OSW today and I realised, Jake was a right cnut with Damien! He was always slapping him around or when he'd attack someone to choke them he'd land on him! I'm surprised that there wasn't ever peta protests at the shows!