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How will you choose between MS & Sony's new consoles?

Josey Wales

If Sony and Microsoft release both of their new machines later this year how will you decided which machine to get? For the sake of discussion lets just say that they will be released this year.

Will it be brand loyalty? You've bought into the MS Live eco system or PSN and don't want to switch? Will it be the hardware specs of the machine or the launch line up of games? Will it be backwards compatibility? Price?

For me right now I have no idea which I would choose. In this current generation I bought all three (Wii, PS3, 360). I don't think brand loyalty will be a factor for me. In the end I will probably end up with both so I will just have to decide which one first. One important factor will be what Naughty Dog has lined up for the PS4 (or whatever they call it).

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Azza

I think Valve just stated publicly that if Steam was ever to be shut down they would make each game playable without it.

Doubt there legally obligated too and if such a scenario occurred would they be in position to do so even if they wanted. Admittedly its a extremely unlikely scenario in the short to medium term future.

gizmo

Headshot wrote: »

It will be very sad that pirates most likely will save the console lol

Buying the console so as to hack it to play free games is not saving the console, it's ****ing over your peers by supporting a company whose policies you fundamentally disagree with just because you want free stuff. If you don't agree with what MS are doing then don't buy the XBox One, encourage your friends not to buy the XBox One by ensuring they're informed of how the machine operates and support the competition if they don't operate in a similar manner.

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I'm just going by the one comparison I have and that's XBL which without current competition is terribly overpriced with games rarely, if ever, dropping price.

Oh, I completely agree on that point. Hell it even extends to XBLA where there is no graceful decrease in pricing over time, a situation made all the worse when you look at the earlier games released on the service compared to more recent ones debuting for the same price. As I said above though, there is scope for that to change next generation, whether it does or not remains to be seen.

Beefy78 wrote: »

Or they can both keep prices high and both benefit.

Would the price not be set by the publisher anyway? So if EA release the same game on both platforms would the price not likely be the same on both?

The former is indeed something to consider, yes. As for the latter, the platform holder has a say in the pricing of the content too, similar to how you often see sales on specific digital stores on the PC and not on others. I'm not familiar with how exactly this works though nor how much of an influence a retailer will have on pricing in the future.

Dravokivich wrote: »

It makes the consumer irrelevant. How is that a good thing?

I never said it was a good thing, I simply said the complaint was irrelevant because they don't meet the minimum requirements for owning the console in the first place.

Genghiz Cohen

Retr0gamer wrote: »

It also offers mods, free to play, item trading, Steam workshop, a platform to self publish on, no limations on what devices you use it on or if they will be offline for months at a time.

Steam store requires you to give up a lot of ownership of your games but offers a lot to incentivise it. The XBox One is offering me less for nothing in return.

Was there any truth to the rumour I heard that if Steam ever goes under, Valve will email you your CD keys?

Dravokivich

gizmo wrote: »

A broadband connection is a requirement for the console so that's kind of irrelevant.

It makes the consumer irrelevant. How is that a good thing?

Retr0gamer

Grumpypants wrote: »

Yea but could I play your steam games on your pc without your steam log in details? That's what the Xbox allows. You can have 4 accounts and the game will work on all 4 as long as it's on the one console. Which is great for house holds with lots of kids.

It also offers mods, free to play, item trading, Steam workshop, a platform to self publish on, no limations on what devices you use it on or if they will be offline for months at a time.

Steam store requires you to give up a lot of ownership of your games but offers a lot to incentivise it. The XBox One is offering me less for nothing in return.

Grumpypants

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I moved this wensday. No broadband for at least 10 working days. So all in all good two weeks if lucky. So no pew pew on call of duty machine one for me then.
I know it might sound like first world problem, but if pay such money for a machine + Xbox live and I can't even play the stuff I own...

but you are online posting here now ! If you can post here you can check your Xbox in using your phone.

Grumpypants

Korvanica wrote: »

I can play for as long as I want offline when using my steam account. :cool:

Yea but could I play your steam games on your pc without your steam log in details? That's what the Xbox allows. You can have 4 accounts and the game will work on all 4 as long as it's on the one console. Which is great for house holds with lots of kids.

Beefy78

gizmo wrote: »

Except as digital content becomes more prevalent the pricing on their respective stores will become more of a deciding factor when it comes to hardware purchase. Can you imagine how the inevitable "XBox One vs. PS4" threads on these and similar forums will go if one was to charge considerably more for content than the other?

Or they can both keep prices high and both benefit.

Would the price not be set by the publisher anyway? So if EA release the same game on both platforms would the price not likely be the same on both?

DarkJager

Microsoft really seem intent on bringing a plastic fork to a gunfight don't they? All Sony need to do at E3 is say no Internet check ins needed and no change to 2nd hand sales and watch the cash roll in. They'll be getting mine anyway, disgusted by this Xbox one the more I hear about it.

Headshot

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I wonder how sad is it going to be, when Xbox one will be hacked like any other console by pirates and pirates will be able to enjoy console a lot better then paying customers...

It will be very sad that pirates most likely will save the console lol

Retr0gamer

gizmo wrote: »

One could argue that while it's true there'll be no digital competition for games on the XBox One platform itself, there will be similar competition when the PS4 is released. In fact, one could argue that such competition is even more serious as both platform holders will be aware that while you can chop and change multiple digital storefronts on the PC simultaneously, once you invest in a console, you're tied to it. As a result, it would be in both of their best interests for them to do their utmost to attract customers to their hardware with better deals.

I'm just going by the one comparison I have and that's XBL which without current competition is terribly overpriced with games rarely, if ever, dropping price.

gizmo

Headshot wrote: »

Alot of country doesnt even have broadband or cant get it so how fair is it on them that they cant do the xbox one 24hr check

A broadband connection is a requirement for the console so that's kind of irrelevant.

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I wonder how sad is it going to be, when Xbox one will be hacked like any other console by pirates and pirates will be able to enjoy console a lot better then paying customers...

Nothing says increased enjoyment like free games, amirite? :pac:

ShadowHearth

Headshot wrote: »

Alot of country doesnt even have broadband or cant get it so how fair is it on them that they cant do the xbox one 24hr check

I really hope this console is a spectacular failure. This DRM crap makes my blood boil

I wonder how sad is it going to be, when Xbox one will be hacked like any other console by pirates and pirates will be able to enjoy console a lot better then paying customers...

Headshot

Alot of country doesnt even have broadband or cant get it so how fair is it on them that they cant do the xbox one 24hr check

I really hope this console is a spectacular failure. This DRM crap makes my blood boil

ShadowHearth

Cienciano wrote: »

Exactly. There's loads of reasons people might not be able to connect. I guess all these people will just go out and buy a ps4.
One of my mates moved house and it took 2 months to get broadband sorted. Lots of people that rent and move around house will have problems.
Anyone know how much the new xbox online will cost per month or per year?

I moved this wensday. No broadband for at least 10 working days. So all in all good two weeks if lucky. So no pew pew on call of duty machine one for me then.
I know it might sound like first world problem, but if pay such money for a machine + Xbox live and I can't even play the stuff I own...

gizmo

Beefy78 wrote: »

I think this is back-to-front. They'll know that once someone has bought a console their likely stuck with it so there's no incentive to cut the price - particularly as they know that the 'other' company is also running a monopoly in their marketplace so again has no reason to cut costs.

Except as digital content becomes more prevalent the pricing on their respective stores will become more of a deciding factor when it comes to hardware purchase. Can you imagine how the inevitable "XBox One vs. PS4" threads on these and similar forums will go if one was to charge considerably more for content than the other?

Beefy78 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that prices on the PS Store and XBL next gen won't be sky high just needs to look at the price today. Isn't FIFA 13 still €70 to download? Outrageous.

The argument there is the platform holders and publishers are attempting to placate the retailers since that's where the vast majority of console sales (and indeed hardware) is carried out. Whether this will continue over the next decade remains to be seen.

NotorietyH

Beefy78 wrote: »

Anyone who thinks that prices on the PS Store and XBL next gen won't be sky high just needs to look at the price today. Isn't FIFA 13 still €70 to download? Outrageous.

As far as I know the digital downloads prices on Ps3 as they were introduced late in the game were kept high to avoid pissing off retailers, as retail was where they were selling the vast majority of their games.

Vita is a better example as day one digital versions of all games were available from the start, and most games are 5 euro cheaper than retail.

Beefy78

gizmo wrote: »

One could argue that while it's true there'll be no digital competition for games on the XBox One platform itself, there will be similar competition when the PS4 is released. In fact, one could argue that such competition is even more serious as both platform holders will be aware that while you can chop and change multiple digital storefronts on the PC simultaneously, once you invest in a console, you're tied to it. As a result, it would be in both of their best interests for them to do their utmost to attract customers to their hardware with better deals.

I think this is back-to-front. They'll know that once someone has bought a console their likely stuck with it so there's no incentive to cut the price - particularly as they know that the 'other' company is also running a monopoly in their marketplace so again has no reason to cut costs.

Anyone who thinks that prices on the PS Store and XBL next gen won't be sky high just needs to look at the price today. Isn't FIFA 13 still €70 to download? Outrageous.

Korvanica

New slew of announcements has cemented me into the PS4 corner. I was already there as soon as I saw the XB1 reveal, but this has confirmed it. I doubt i'll buy at launch, maybe when the first Little Big Planet comes out for it ...

Grumpypants wrote: »

Because you just log into your gamertag in the same way you log into your steam account but others can play your downloaded games unlike your steam games.

I can play for as long as I want offline when using my steam account. :cool:

gizmo

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Reasonable pricing comes from competition. There will be no competition on the Xbox One marketplace meaning the prices will continue to be ridiculous and they won't offer incentives like Steam does such as the Steam Workshop because they don't have to and want to keep the system closed. If you think that going digital on consoles will lower prices then I admire you naivety.

One could argue that while it's true there'll be no digital competition for games on the XBox One platform itself, there will be similar competition when the PS4 is released. In fact, one could argue that such competition is even more serious as both platform holders will be aware that while you can chop and change multiple digital storefronts on the PC simultaneously, once you invest in a console, you're tied to it. As a result, it would be in both of their best interests for them to do their utmost to attract customers to their hardware with better deals.

Grumpypants

NTMK wrote: »

up to march of this year i had such a bad internet connection that connection one every 24hrs would be an achievement. as regards tethering havent most mobile proveders restricted that to only the top bill pay packages now?

i can do that already

i can take my steam profile offline for months at a time, steam has competion so theres incentive to lower prices and have sales

the xbone wont have either of these so how exactly is it better

The only late change that would be acceptable is to remove the DRM. people still have to dance around this bs

I've been with 3 providers in the last 6 months none restricted tethering and I was on fixed price plans.

steam had no competition for years and still gave great value. That is down to the company being awesome not competition. Xbox will have competition from pc, ps4 and stores but prices will stay high because it's a closed system.

You also need to log into your steam account to play your games even in offline mode. On the Xbox one your friend can play your game without logging into your account.

Grumpypants

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I really fail to see how?

Because you just log into your gamertag in the same way you log into your steam account but others can play your downloaded games unlike your steam games.

NTMK

Grumpypants wrote: »

The 24hour thing is fine with me I have not met anyone in the last 5 years who is into gaming that doesn't have broadband and a 3g phone. All you do is make the connection once every 24 hours you can even use your phone to do it.

up to march of this year i had such a bad internet connection that connection one every 24hrs would be an achievement. as regards tethering havent most mobile proveders restricted that to only the top bill pay packages now?

Plus anyone in the home can play all your games without logging into your gamertag. That's great for homes with 3 or 4 kids.

i can do that already

Your gamertag is going to be more like your steam account now but better.

i can take my steam profile offline for months at a time, steam has competion so theres incentive to lower prices and have sales

the xbone wont have either of these so how exactly is it better

I'm sure these are late changes but at least they are making the changes.

The only late change that would be acceptable is to remove the DRM. people still have to dance around this bs

CastorTroy

Grumpypants wrote: »

The 24hour thing is fine with me I have not met anyone in the last 5 years who is into gaming that doesn't have broadband and a 3g phone. All you do is make the connection once every 24 hours you can even use your phone to do it.

When I'm not playing a game, I don't have my consoles plugged in. Same with my broadband. But I'm assuming the 24 hour thing means if yo don't check in in that time you can't play any games until you do check in

[Deleted User]

I'm sure the Xbox one will be a great machine and will have great games but I live in a rural area, I have broadband but it's not the most reliable broadband in the world and has in occasion not worked for a while. This doesn't happen often but I am not going to take that risk for when it does, most of the games I want to play are on both systems anyway so I may miss out on a few Xbox exclusives but ill take that chance knowing I can play my ps4 whenever I want.

Dyr

Grumpypants wrote: »

Your gamertag is going to be more like your steam account now but better.

oh no you di'nt :mad:

Retr0gamer

Grumpypants wrote: »

Your gamertag is going to be more like your steam account now but better.

I really fail to see how?

Grumpypants

The 24hour thing is fine with me I have not met anyone in the last 5 years who is into gaming that doesn't have broadband and a 3g phone. All you do is make the connection once every 24 hours you can even use your phone to do it.

Plus anyone in the home can play all your games without logging into your gamertag. That's great for homes with 3 or 4 kids.

Your gamertag is going to be more like your steam account now but better.

I'm sure these are late changes but at least they are making the changes.

Retr0gamer

VinLieger wrote: »

Heres the thing i dont get with the complaints about discs, people have been clamoring for ages about how digital distribution on current gen sucks. Now its hopefully gonna happen with reasonable pricing and download rates yet everyones pissed they cant swap discs?

Reasonable pricing comes from competition. There will be no competition on the Xbox One marketplace meaning the prices will continue to be ridiculous and they won't offer incentives like Steam does such as the Steam Workshop because they don't have to and want to keep the system closed. If you think that going digital on consoles will lower prices then I admire you naivety.

CastorTroy wrote: »

The thing about the used games that I'm wondering is will it keep game prices high the whole time since people won't be trading in as often and less people will be buying cheaper used games? Or will it lower the prices, since without trade ins less people will be buying new and, as we've seen with this gen, poor sales usually lead to quick price drops?

If anything it will make the prices much higher if the publisher controls the price of used games and not the free market.

NTMK

CastorTroy wrote: »

The thing about the used games that I'm wondering is will it keep game prices high the whole time since people won't be trading in as often and less people will be buying cheaper used games? Or will it lower the prices, since without trade ins less people will be buying new and, as we've seen with this gen, poor sales usually lead to quick price drops?

it will likely raise them if anything/keep them high as the likes of gamestop dont make much of new game sales and since their profits of used will be cut into they will look to make up the difference somewhere