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Idiots on a plane

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2335936/100-Jewish-students-kicked-AirTran-flight-New-York-refusing-away-phones.html

A large group of Jewish high school students have been kicked off a flight after some refused to turn off their cell phones for take-off.

The school party of 100 students and eight chaperones were removed from an AirTran flight on its way to Atlanta, Georgia from New York City on Monday around 6 a.m.
Some have claimed that the airline overreacted to the senior students' actions with one saying that they were targeted for being Jewish.

The group here seem to have been kicked off when they wouldn't comply with basic safety warnings. Their claims of religious prejudice makes a mockery of the genuine suffering of people who are persecuted because of their beliefs, ethnicity, etc.

Aside from that - what's the worst case of plane stupidity you've witnissed on your travels?

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jimgoose

P. Breathnach wrote: »

I thought there was a filtering system in existence: Ryanair.

Oh well-hit, that man!

:D:D

fishy fishy

CruelCoin wrote: »

I'm guessing you didn't see the documentary where they filled cockpits with dozens of ringing mobiles, only to show 0 interference with equipment?

Being told to turn off something which is harmless is bogus.

when you purchase your airline ticket you are agreeing to abide by the laws of that plane. When you don't you should get kicked off.

Ranting about "oh its because I'm jewish, irish, black, white or whatever" is just self indulgent nonsense - the result of the overindulged me, me, me society.

You don't abide by the plane rules - you should be kicked off. The end. Very simple.

irishash

Dumbest thing I ever saw was one woman buying fags on a flight, and after she received them, open up the carton, pull out a lighter and try to smoke one right away. The only reason she did not get to enjoy her purchase was the fact the air steward saw her trying to do this.

What followed was a 15 min argument about the fact that she should/should not be allowed to enjoy whatever she bought on a plane.

She was of no fixed abode....with several others of her ilk

CruelCoin

keith16 wrote: »

Also, if phones etc. are put away, they have less chance of becoming missiles! But people aren't told any of that cos it's terrifying!

If you hit the ground at 500mph, then that seatbelt is going to cut you in half.

There are plenty of pointless/dangerous things, but phones aren't one of them.

CruelCoin

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

Like someone else said, if they were that determined to keep their phones on, why didn't they just pretend to turn them off?

Beats me, works for me.

Princess Zelda

Time to unleash my plane story.

Flight to Alicante there was a crowd on the back of the plane who were drinking throughout the flight.

Guy near the top of the plane collapsed and whilst all the air stewardesses were attending to him, the crowd near the back of the plane started to steal the drink out of their trollies.

Then when the plane was descending they all refused to sit despite being requested to a few times.

Crowd of ignorant feckers. The one upside is the Spanish police arrested a few when they were leaving the plane and they don't take any crap. Well that, and they are probably all barred from that airline for life.

jimgoose

CruelCoin wrote: »

If you hit the ground at 500mph, then that seatbelt is going to cut you in half...

Well bugger me with a fish-fork, that sounds dangerous!! Last time I wear a seatbelt.

[Deleted User]

The Catholic captain of the plane said it was procedure to switch off mobile phones upon takeoff, in which he informed his Protestant Stewards to inform the Jewish Students to do so. A Syrian Orthodox passenger witnessed the event and was gobsmacked by the students actions.
A Muslim spokes person for the school said there was a problem with the language barrier but the school are doing their own internal investigation.

Locker10a

CruelCoin wrote: »

I'm guessing you didn't see the documentary where they filled cockpits with dozens of ringing mobiles, only to show 0 interference with equipment?

Being told to turn off something which is harmless is bogus.

It doesn't matter what that documentary said! It was not an official investigation by the relevant aviation authorities who determine the rules surrounding the regulations in the cabin! Besides even if the phones have no affect on the plane, the fact that they ignored crew instructions is enough to kick them off! If people cannot be trusted to follow crew member instructions on the ground re: the rules regarding seat belts, phones, safety demo etc. then it is deemed they would not be likely follow instructions during an emergency. Unruly behavior will not be accepted on planes and rightly so.

Fratton Fred

jimgoose wrote: »

Well bugger me with a fish-fork, that sounds dangerous!! Last time I wear a seatbelt.

Last time I hit the ground at 500mph!

actually, the vast majority of injuries on airlines could have been avoided by keeping your seat belt on.

Locker10a

CruelCoin wrote: »

If you hit the ground at 500mph, then that seatbelt is going to cut you in half.

There are plenty of pointless/dangerous things, but phones aren't one of them.

Asinine attitude you have there! Every place crash does not result in the plane hitting the ground at 500mph!
There is a reason for ever safety procedure and piece of equipment on the plane! Look at the likes of Air Canada fligh 797 or British Airtours flight 28M and how safety features were developed as a result of those accidents! ANd neither of them resulted in the plane crashing at 500mph!
Seatbelts are not just for crashes, they are also for turbulence btw!

Plazaman

CruelCoin wrote: »

I'm guessing you didn't see the documentary where they filled cockpits with dozens of ringing mobiles, only to show 0 interference with equipment?

Being told to turn off something which is harmless is bogus.

Not the point, it's flight safety regulations worldwide, no point in blaming the poor stewards, they don't make the rules.

I sometimes forget to turn my phone off BTW, but I don't wave it around either as we take off and land (not being a rebel or anything just usually it's in my bag in the overhead compartment). I did get shocked looks come my way once when the phone service in the country I landed in sent a couple of welcome texts and my text alert wasn't that discreet. The new flight mode settings on modern phones cut all that out.

CruelCoin

Locker10a wrote: »

Seatbelts are not just for crashes, they are also for turbulence btw!

I'm a fat bastard, turbulence affects me none.

Gravity ftw.

Ghost Buster

irishash wrote: »

Dumbest thing I ever saw was one woman buying fags on a flight, and after she received them, open up the carton, pull out a lighter and try to smoke one right away. The only reason she did not get to enjoy her purchase was the fact the air steward saw her trying to do this.

What followed was a 15 min argument about the fact that she should/should not be allowed to enjoy whatever she bought on a plane.

She was of no fixed abode....with several others of her ilk

So they sell condoms in Supervalu so you should be able to have a ride there..:rolleyes::rolleyes:

vinylbomb

CruelCoin wrote: »

I'm guessing you didn't see the documentary where they filled cockpits with dozens of ringing mobiles, only to show 0 interference with equipment?

Being told to turn off something which is harmless is bogus.

A mate who is a pilot told me that the phones mess with onboard comms, not the navigation systems. They cause a drone or buzz in the headsets they use to talk to each other.

I dunno about you but I kinda like the pilots being able to communicate at the most dangerous phase of the flight so I'm cool with knocking my phone off.

Broadsheat

What has the religion / ethnicity of the students got to do with the story? If it's not relevant, why mention it?

I Heart Internet

Broadsheat wrote: »

What has the religion / ethnicity of the students got to do with the story? If it's not relevant, why mention it?

Unfortunetly (some of) the group made it an issue. Claimed they were thrown off becasue they were Jewish not because of they were eejits.

Religio-plane equivalent of the "I'm a woman on my own" woman.

Nino Brown

CruelCoin wrote: »

If you hit the ground at 500mph, then that seatbelt is going to cut you in half.

There are plenty of pointless/dangerous things, but phones aren't one of them.

It doesn't matter why phones are banned. They don't pose a threat to planes, but they are banned for several other reasons. Either way, the fact is they are banned, people can't decide which precautions are necessary and which ones aren't on a plane. When you're on a plane you follow the rules, even if you do happen to think you're smarter than almost every Aviation Authority in the world.

eamonnq

I recall being told that it has nothing to do with interference, but all electronic equipment was to be turned off so you could not use a scanner type radio to listen to the pilots communications with the control tower etc. probably in case you heard them saying about the bomb in the toilet, as it might cause a bit of a panic.

Nino Brown

Plus air rage due to people talking sh!te loudly.
Using phones to detonate a bomb in the hold.
People missing the safety demo .
People with earphones missing the brace command and other instructions before an accident.
And phones used to causing bad interference with comms equipment, remember when you could tell if somebody was about to get a text because the TV/Radio beeped?

But all that being said, regardless of if it's right or wrong. It takes a special type of a$$hole to blatantly ignore a simple instruction. Just stick the f'ing thing on silent and put it in your pocket if you really have to keep it on! It's probably best that those type of people are kicked off, because they're more than likely going to cause problems anyway.

Tzardine

People who bring snakes on a plane.

Really pisses me off.

SB2013

Only religious discrimination I see is that they appear to be from a school that only caters to one religion.

Fratton Fred

SB2013 wrote: »

Only religious discrimination I see is that they appear to be from a school that only caters to one religion.

All too common unfortunately.

brimal

I Heart Internet wrote: »

Unfortunetly (some of) the group made it an issue. Claimed they were thrown off becasue they were Jewish not because of they were eejits.

Religio-plane equivalent of the "I'm a woman on my own" woman.

According to your opening post (and the article) it was 1 person out of a group of 108 that claimed this.

It is an angle written into the story to stir it up a bit and get the story more views. I guess it has worked.

You seem to have misread it as you are pluralising each time "Their claims of religious prejudice ", "some of the group made it an issue", etc.

I Heart Internet

brimal wrote: »

According to your opening post (and the article) it was 1 person out of a group of 108 that claimed this.

It is an angle written into the story to stir it up a bit and get the story more views. I guess it has worked.

You seem to have misread it as you are pluralising each time "Their claims of religious prejudice ", "some of the group made it an issue", etc.

Accepted.

It seems that it was just Jonathan Zehavi who claimed it was because they were "a group of religious kids."

I've been sucked in the Daily Mail's hyperbole....i feel dirty

CruelCoin

Nino Brown wrote: »

It doesn't matter why phones are banned. They don't pose a threat to planes, but they are banned for several other reasons. Either way, the fact is they are banned, people can't decide which precautions are necessary and which ones aren't on a plane. When you're on a plane you follow the rules, even if you do happen to think you're smarter than almost every Aviation Authority in the world.

Aviation authorities have not banned phone universally on the basis of danger.

The reason they are banned is that they lack the resources or knowledge to individually clear for use each and every type of mobile phone out there.

There are numerous independent studies showing the ban as pointless, and i take that as having more weight than a decision based of lack of resources. Its a blunt instrument approach that's been taken.

Nino Brown

CruelCoin wrote: »

Aviation authorities have not banned phone universally on the basis of danger.

The reason they are banned is that they lack the resources or knowledge to individually clear for use each and every type of mobile phone out there.

There are numerous independent studies showing the ban as pointless, and i take that as having more weight than a decision based of lack of resources. Its a blunt instrument approach that's been taken.

Can you point to 1 that says the ban is "pointless"? There may be some that prove it won't interfere with navigational equipment, which I agree with. But I doubt any scientist or researcher used the word pointless. There are plenty of reasons other than interference that phones should be banned. And it's not just phones, all electronics are banned during take-off/landing, so they clearly have more in mind than interference,

Bajingo

CruelCoin wrote: »

Aviation authorities have not banned phone universally on the basis of danger.

The reason they are banned is that they lack the resources or knowledge to individually clear for use each and every type of mobile phone out there.

There are numerous independent studies showing the ban as pointless, and i take that as having more weight than a decision based of lack of resources. Its a blunt instrument approach that's been taken.

A lack of information does not hold enough weight to overturn this rule. Yes some independent studies have showed the phones don't interfere with the plane but there isn't enough information that covers all phone types.

So whether you think it's ridiculous or not a lack of information should always be followed by a cautious protocol.

Wanderer2010

Why do people NEED to sit next to each other for the flight? I have lost count of the amount of times where people who are getting ready for a flight are bugging the flight crew with requests like "My husband and I arent sitting together, can you please check for spare seats so we can sit next to each other?" or "My wife and I are not together, can we take your seat so we can be next to each other?". I refused this request the last time because I would have been crammed next to 2 very heavy people and would have had no comfort for the flight, why should I give up my seat because of poor planning from other people?

Its only a few hours ffs, why people have to be with each other 24/7 is beyond me. If you cant sit next to each other just suck it up and deal with it. :rolleyes:

wendell borton

I saw a documentary about a similar problem but with snakes. The only way to deal with them is to blow out a window they will then be sucked out of the plane by the differential in air pressure.
Just make sure you have your seatbelt on.