cloudatlas wrote: » I wish people would quit using the lazy banker argument. 'Joe, <insert thing that happened> but the bankers aren't in jail!!!!', rabble rabble. Bankers behaviour wasn't a joke in the good times in fact that kind of greed was championed. Greed and huge pay packets was only vilified when they failed.
A LOCAL authority has washed its hands of the imprisonment of three men who left rubbish at a recycling bank, saying the decision was "a matter for the courts". All three men were jailed for non-payment of litter fines after leaving items at a bottle bank outside a supermarket in Ashbourne, Co Meath. In a statement yesterday, Meath County Council said they implemented the provisions of the Litter Pollution Act 1997 and "persons who are caught littering are issued with a fine or fines as appropriate". "If this fine is not paid it is followed by a warning letter. If the fine is still not paid, the matter is referred to the council's legal advisers in order to pursue same through the courts." It said that if the court decided the fine should stand -- or decided to increase the fine -- then the money is pursued by the courts service. The three men contacted RTE's 'Liveline' yesterday to speak of their experiences. One man, named Stephen, said he had spent much of Wednesday incarcerated in Wheatfield Prison for non-payment of the fine after leaving a box outside a recycling bank at Supervalu in Ashbourne, Co Meath. He was freed after his mother made an emotional appeal on his behalf on 'Liveline' and his father made a donation of €200 towards his fine. Prosecuted Two other men were also put in prison for non-payments of fines at the same location and all were prosecuted in the space of a few months, on foot of CCTV footage taken from the scene.Another of the men, named Chris, said he was jailed for his failure to pay a litter fine after his 12-year-old son left a crumpled plastic bag at the bottle bank after disposing of the contents. "In my experience it was a totally nonsensical thing to do," he said of the decision to imprison him.
dxhound2005 wrote: » You cannot be jailed for not having a TV licence, you can only be fined.Penalties Conviction for non-payment of a television licence (first offence) is a fine of up to €1,000. If you are convicted a second time or more for not paying your television licence, you will be fined up to €2,000.
Duggy747 wrote: » Charge Google / Big Players high corp tax. Google / Big Players leave. People then complain that government isn't doing enough to get or keep big companies in the country to stop thousands of people being laid off.
0066ad wrote: » I suppose that is ok then, if they haven't got the 180 euro to pay for the tv license we will fine them 1,000 euro, do you seriously think someone who hasn't got the 180 euro is going to be able to pay the 1,000 euro fine?
seanm92 wrote: » Maybe they shouldn't have a TV in that case, if they haven't €180 to spare they should possibly not even buy the TV and spend the money elsewhere. In my experience it seems that rather than not having the money to pay the licence fee, they couldn't be bothered in many cases.
Paddy Cow wrote: » It doesn't matter if you don't have a tv. If you have a radio or laptop or many other devices you have to pay it. Apparently even if you have a tv in your house which you don't use (I have one gathering dust which I want to get rid of but no one will take because it's an old piece of junk), you still have to pay.
dxhound2005 wrote: » There is no need for a licence if you only have a radio.
seanm92 wrote: » You don't have to pay for a radio, its only for devices capable of receiving a television signal according to citizens information at least, although I'm open to correction on that. I know about the laptop but the point I'm making is that how can someone be able to buy a laptop, TV etc. and not be able to pay the licence???
0066ad wrote: » Maybe they had a tv license in the better times and didn't think they would lose their jobs and not be able to afford one in the future, what are those people suppose to say to their kids? sorry you can't watch your tv shows any more I have to throw the telly out the window because I can't pay tubbers wages anymore.
Paddy Cow wrote: » A tv or laptop is a one off expense. I saved for ages to get my laptop and bought it when I was able to afford it. The license is every fecking year and not something you can put on the back burner if you are a bit strapped for cash.
generalmental wrote: » Yes they probably were jailed for not paying the fine that was given to them for not paying their tv license.
seanm92 wrote: » Correct me if I'm wrong but do social welfare recipients not receive money toward a tv licence or receive one for free??
seanm92 wrote: » That's fair enough and I can understand that its not a once off thing, but it can be paid over the year AFAIK. I'm not a fan of the TV licence myself, but I just cant stand some of the moaning that some are doing about being fined for not paying it when it is the law of the country.
0066ad wrote: » That is a myth you probably heard here on boards, just think about this is 272 people who now have a conviction on their record for non payment of a fine simply because they haven't got the money to pay the fat cats in rte wages.
Paddy Cow wrote: » I don't have blind respect for the law. Many laws are ridiculously archaic and I think the tv license is one of them. No one has ever been able to explain to me why we have it apart from "it's the law". RTE is not a service that we need like water or bin collection and if people want to pay for it, that should be their perogative, not something they are forced to do under threat of fines and/or prison.
seanm92 wrote: » Likewise, owning a TV is not a necessity though.
Paddy Cow wrote: » You could argue that neither is a washing machine, microwave, fridge, hoover etc but would you be happy to pay a license fee every year to own one if they introduced it, simply because it's the law?.
0066ad wrote: » It's not the law of the land it is contract that RTE tries to get everybody to oblige to, that is why they need your name and send around the heavies to intimate and frighten the frail for their names. The last time they were in my area was the week before christmas you have to have a special kind of asshole to go around and threaten people with fines and court appearances at that time of year.
orestes wrote: » But according to some of the folks on here you get to watch all the tv you want in prison, so they're really winning in the long run. Well played.
donegal_road wrote: » this is one of the more ludicrous sentences every handed down by an Irish court Quote: A LOCAL authority has washed its hands of the imprisonment of three men who left rubbish at a recycling bank, saying the decision was "a matter for the courts". All three men were jailed for non-payment of litter fines after leaving items at a bottle bank outside a supermarket in Ashbourne, Co Meath. In a statement yesterday, Meath County Council said they implemented the provisions of the Litter Pollution Act 1997 and "persons who are caught littering are issued with a fine or fines as appropriate". "If this fine is not paid it is followed by a warning letter. If the fine is still not paid, the matter is referred to the council's legal advisers in order to pursue same through the courts." It said that if the court decided the fine should stand -- or decided to increase the fine -- then the money is pursued by the courts service. The three men contacted RTE's 'Liveline' yesterday to speak of their experiences. One man, named Stephen, said he had spent much of Wednesday incarcerated in Wheatfield Prison for non-payment of the fine after leaving a box outside a recycling bank at Supervalu in Ashbourne, Co Meath. He was freed after his mother made an emotional appeal on his behalf on 'Liveline' and his father made a donation of €200 towards his fine. Prosecuted Two other men were also put in prison for non-payments of fines at the same location and all were prosecuted in the space of a few months, on foot of CCTV footage taken from the scene. Another of the men, named Chris, said he was jailed for his failure to pay a litter fine after his 12-year-old son left a crumpled plastic bag at the bottle bank after disposing of the contents. "In my experience it was a totally nonsensical thing to do," he said of the decision to imprison him. *Is it true that it costs the taxpayer €2000 per week to keep someone in prison in Ireland? or did I dream it....
dxhound2005 wrote: » If it's not the law of the land then what is this about?http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/NR/rdonlyres/DE7C0393-76C1-42A5-A176-88C512F7AB9C/0/BroadcastingAct2009.pdf 142.—(1) Subject to the exceptions mentioned in subsection (3), a person shall not keep or have in his or her possession anywhere in the territory of the State a television set save in so far as such keeping or possession is authorised by a television licence for the time being in force.148.—A person who keeps, has in his or her possession or uses a television set in contravention of section 142 commits an offence and is liable on summary conviction— (a) in the case of a first such offence, to a fine not exceeding €1,000, and (b) in the case of a second or subsequent such offence, to a fine not exceeding €2,000.
