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Anyone else here disturbed by latest Garda revelations/actions?

yore

This thread is not about penalty points/individual corruption or incompetency. Nor is it about individual Guards such as the one in the papers for forging documents or the ex-guard who's patio was going to be excavated in the last week or so looking for a body that current Guards think is buried there. We all know about these stories. There are bad apples in every barrel.

There has been a lot in the media recently about their interactions with politicians and I find this disturbing. I am not talking about the politics here. I want to talk about it from the other angle.

1) Claire Daly incident: This one is most innocuous of the three but I'll mention it as some people shouted "conspiracy". Whatever the matter of transmission it still remains that it entered the public domain very quickly although it could easily have been via a bystander or third party. (Disclaimer, I can't stand this bint)
2) Ming's magical disappearing penalty points made the news a few years after it happened
3) Wallace "discretion": Squad car pulls up beside Micko. Micko drops the phone and has a bit of banter. Squad car drives away. Now, shouldn't every law-abiding citizen not be asking why the Guards in question did not do their job and enforce the law? And furthermore, when they passed this information up through the chain (presumably recently) were they reprimanded for not doing their job? To my mind, if a normal person went to their boss and admitted not doing their job, they would get reprimanded.
4) Shatter's latest incident: Again we are hearing stuff like they have a record of this on file.

It begs the question as to whether the Guards compile information on people who get to make decisions in this country in case that information ever comes in handy further down the road in "negotiations". Conspiracy? Maybe so, but it's a bit of a coincidence that those most vocal in their criticism of the Guards recently seem to have been the ones outed. How many of the rest of them are keeping quiet because they remember the time that the Guard didn't give them the fine for speeding?

It is a bit disturbing, albeit not 100% unexpected. Of course we'd expect individuals to act in this way, but as a group, and through the official chain of command, I think I'd expect proper procedure to be followed and sanctions to be handed back down the chain of command to those responsible.

Opinions? Again, I'm not focusing on the politicians. I just used them for examples. I think it's an abuse of power in many ways. How do you think that should things be tightened up? I'm not against the exposing of crimes or wrong-doing, I'm against the hoarding of such information, potentially with the knowledge that it could become a valuable bargaining tool or weapon in the future.

TL:DR version : Actually, don't worry about it princess. If the paragraphs are too big, the ideas might hurt your poor little head anyway

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wil

CruelCoin wrote: »

If i'd paid a fortune on this lovely new car, why would i want to ruin it with a tacky bolt on accessory?

It's like buying prada and modifying it with tweed.

The tacky bolt on accessory is usually the driver.

If I was buying a "lovely new car", I'd expect it to have at least the basic specs that "lovely new cars" come with these days.

And even if it was a lovely old car, think I'd pay the little extra for the non-tacky, but discrete version of the kit.
My retrofit on to my anything but "lovely new" is invisible and cheaper than a fine.

Of course if you are driving a vintage Ferrari, I'd consider this

Specialun

If a normal joe soap was in shatters position would the outcome have been the same.

bus_driver

Specialun wrote: »

If a normal joe soap was in shatters position would the outcome have been the same.

hardly , how willing AGS are to act depends on two things

who is complaining and who is being complained about

the guards are highly political in how they carry out their duties ,always have been

Specialun

Thats a problem in my opinion.A guard should not ge able to pick and choose who they enforce the law on.

bus_driver

Specialun wrote: »

Thats a problem in my opinion.A guard should not ge able to pick and choose who they enforce the law on.

they do and are told to by their superiors

anyone who has had a reasonable degree of interaction with AGS can tell you this

pull exists in every aspect of irish society , if you know someone or are someone , the guards treat you differently

Wacker The Attacker

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAHR1tk5xvU

bus_driver

two of my uncles were guards btw

both now retired

Specialun

The shatter incident is gone from the news now anyways

Can you imagine if the incident had been on gerry adams and the current posse were under pressure from SF

I would bet the story wouldnt wittle away so fast

For Paws

The last week has been a 'slow news' week.

Nothing much has happened here. (The goings on throughout the rest of the world don't count).

Lazy journalists making up stuff about little enough.

Today's Irish Independent has 'embattled Justice Minister' .. 'left to sweat'...'as the opposition scent blood'.

Bollox. No truth, no facts, just the same rumour mongering.

Have the Opposition nothing better to do than mouth pious innuendo at their rivals on the Govt benches ?

Is anyone on this thread a serving Garda ?
Does anyone on this thread know any serving Gardai ?

Then ask them what they think about whether they exercise their power of discretion wisely.

The rest is just speculation, and serves only to further alienate those members of AGS who do a dirty, dangerous & thankless job the best way they can.

SB2013

foggy_lad wrote: »

Why was shatter not dragged to the nearest station to piss in a pot or have a doctor take blood when he twice failed to give a breath sample?

Immunity to arrest

Article 15

13. The members of each House of the Oireachtas shall, except in case of treason as defined in this Constitution, felony or breach of the peace, be privileged from arrest in going to and returning from, and while within the precincts of, either House, and shall not, in respect of any utterance in either House, be amenable to any court or any authority other than the House itself.

skimpydoo

bus_driver wrote: »

where do you think the media get these stories from ( in the main ) ?

paul Williams owes his entire career to loose tongued cops

How does the Herald and other papers and journalists get loose tongued gardai who they call sources to provide stories for them. We saw a lot of stories from sources about the killers of Garda O'Donoghue. Why keep leaking these stories as it will only cause the killers to flee which is what happened. If the gardai had kept quiet the killers would have been arrested by now.

As regards Shatter I remember him being very vocal in calling for Willie O'Dea to resign.

mb1725

I wonder if Mick Wallace knew that the Minister had the goods on him for this and maybe other matters. He did not seem one bit shocked or surprised when Shatter dropped the bombshell. You would have at least expected him to be highly indignant at the revelation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmem-yngKdY

bus_driver

For Paws wrote: »

The last week has been a 'slow news' week.

Nothing much has happened here. (The goings on throughout the rest of the world don't count).

Lazy journalists making up stuff about little enough.

Today's Irish Independent has 'embattled Justice Minister' .. 'left to sweat'...'as the opposition scent blood'.

Bollox. No truth, no facts, just the same rumour mongering.

Have the Opposition nothing better to do than mouth pious innuendo at their rivals on the Govt benches ?

Is anyone on this thread a serving Garda ?
Does anyone on this thread know any serving Gardai ?

Then ask them what they think about whether they exercise their power of discretion wisely.

The rest is just speculation, and serves only to further alienate those members of AGS who do a dirty, dangerous & thankless job the best way they can.

you,ve it all sussed out

bus_driver

skimpydoo wrote: »

How does the Herald and other papers and journalists get loose tongued gardai who they call sources to provide stories for them. We saw a lot of stories from sources about the killers of Garda O'Donoghue. Why keep leaking these stories as it will only cause the killers to flee which is what happened. If the gardai had kept quiet the killers would have been arrested by now.

As regards Shatter I remember him being very vocal in calling for Willie O'Dea to resign.

you hardly think the guards are going to name drop when it comes to the investigation into the murder of garda o Donoghue :rolleyes:

as for the media getting info from the cops , sometimes the guards sell the info , sometimes they leak stories in order to slime someone they don't like as in the case with deputy uppity daly who dared to expose their penalty point quashing , in other instances , they might drop that delightfully vague line about how the person was known to the gardai , that could mean someone who was once done for drink driving

the innocence of the members on this site never ceases to amaze me

yore

bus_driver wrote: »

the innocence of the members on this site never ceases to amaze me

Wow. Never eh? After one day's membership and about 30 posts?

I don't think anybody is wondering how the media get these stories. The questions are rhetorical

skimpydoo

bus_driver wrote: »

you hardly think the guards are going to name drop when it comes to the investigation into the murder of garda o Donoghue :rolleyes:

as for the media getting info from the cops , sometimes the guards sell the info , sometimes they leak stories in order to slime someone they don't like as in the case with deputy uppity daly who dared to expose their penalty point quashing , in other instances , they might drop that delightfully vague line about how the person was known to the gardai , that could mean someone who was once done for drink driving

the innocence of the members on this site never ceases to amaze me

My point was they leaked info that let the killers know that the gardai know who they are. I never suggested that they were going to name names.

CruelCoin

wil wrote: »

The tacky bolt on accessory is usually the driver.

If I was buying a "lovely new car", I'd expect it to have at least the basic specs that "lovely new cars" come with these days.

And even if it was a lovely old car, think I'd pay the little extra for the non-tacky, but discrete version of the kit.
My retrofit on to my anything but "lovely new" is invisible and cheaper than a fine.

Of course if you are driving a vintage Ferrari, I'd consider this

wow, just wow.

As bad as porchse pipes

smash

Government : "We need Garda cutbacks and stations to close"

Gardai : "So and so avoided points etc etc"

It stinks!