davidlacey wrote: » The front of todays sunday business post leads with Irish rail staff wages have been frozen but increments are still being paid with no reduction in pay over the austerity era. Also with RPA wages averaging 76,507 per year with no major rail projects in the pipeline...another case of irish rail and RPA getting away with murder?
Rightwing wrote: » What outrageous salaries.
Captain Chaos wrote: » Take off PAYE, PRSI and USC. A good chunk of that is taxed around 60% and the rest at 30%. Take home pay would be almost half that gross. See how much goes back to the government and paying the social welfare bill.
shamwari wrote: » No public sector body are paying any pay increases outside of increments where due.
murphaph wrote: » To be quite frank, increments are pay increases to anybody who works in the private sector.
shamwari wrote: » Have you a difficulty with someone getting an increment?
Cookie_Monster wrote: » Yes. Pay rises simply because you are there a year, or 2 or 5 are wrong. If they are performance based then that is fine but the notion of increasing someone wages simply because they've been there for a certain period of time is stupid. It's not restricted to the PS but is certainly prevalent in it and the concept needs to be removed. If people want pay rises and increments they should have to prove with their records that they deserve them.
shamwari wrote: » Also, and under Croke Park agreement which yielded a 10% pay cut across the board, increments were specifically not touched and this is why increments are still being paid where due.
Sligo Quay wrote: » You have your facts, the newpapars don't, newpapars never refuse ink, never believe all you read in newpapars. Just off topic, there are workers sleeping on impounded ships and are not paid, but the newpapars won't bring that up, shipping workers living charity, I won't open a can of worms.
Losty Dublin wrote: » Public Service and most Semi State staff are subject to meeting specified work targets, acceptable levels of sick leave and disclipline before they may be granted increments. They are not awarded automatically and haven't been for years.
davidlacey wrote: » Good to see peoples views on this as I thought this was just a story to fill a front page which I notice regularly on an Irish Daily Mail but not as often on the SDP. I believe that rail staff deserve increments based on perfermance and perfermance alone, I could be wrong but these increments wouldnt be life changing sums of money would they? in line with inflation?
murphaph wrote: » Don't make me laugh Losty. The lunatics are running the asylum because there's ultimately no fear of failure as the state (taxpayer) is always there to pick up the tab for mistakes and inefficiencies. The figure for the Civil Service in (IIRC 2011) was published in a Times article last year. Only a tiny fraction of the entire service received a grade that resulted in them being ineligible for an increment. I believe the figure was 0.18% or less than 2 employees per 1000 were deemed not to have done enough to be eligible for their increment. Having worked long enough in the private sector I know that outside of a few unionised places that these figures are the stuff of fantasy. In large corporates that I have worked in the figure would be 10% at least being ineligible for a pay rise and that pay rise would be totally dependent on the company at large performing well financially. Anyway, I'm not getting drawn into it here in this forum, so that's all I'll say.
bobwilliams wrote: Irish rail wages are way too high. I know at least 15 lads working on the lines doing maintenece etc,the gangers 1 of whom is a mate are taking home nearly 1k a week,they are supposed to work nights but generally are home and all by about 1am or 2 instead of 6. They are taking the complete pish and it makes my blood boil when i look at the hours i have to work,have not had an increase in 4 years.
shamwari wrote: » And if you know Ken Fleming, you'll also know what a great job he does too. .
murphaph wrote: » DoThe lunatics are running the asylum because there's ultimately no fear of failure as the state (taxpayer) is always there to pick up the tab for mistakes and inefficiencies. The figure for the Civil Service in (IIRC 2011) was published in a Times article last year. Only a tiny fraction of the entire service received a grade that resulted in them being ineligible for an increment. I believe the figure was 0.18% or less than 2 employees per 1000 were deemed not to have done enough to be eligible for their increment.
bobwilliams wrote: » They are taking the complete pish and it makes my blood boil when i look at the hours i have to work,have not had an increase in 4 years.
bobwilliams wrote: » Irish rail wages are way too high. I know at least 15 lads working on the lines doing maintenece etc,the gangers 1 of whom is a mate are taking home nearly 1k a week,they are supposed to work nights but generally are home and all by about 1am or 2 instead of 6. They are taking the complete pish and it makes my blood boil when i look at the hours i have to work,have not had an increase in 4 years.
bobwilliams wrote: » Irish rail wages are way too high.
Sligo Quay wrote: » So is the cost of living, Irish wages high, I wonder where the example is coming from. We have the highest paid Goverment Ministers in the EU, the Prime Minister (An Taoiseach) is on bigger wages than the USA President, Iv posted about it here many times on boards. my blood boils as well bobwilliams at the sight of the fatcats with their snouts firmly in the trough, big fat expense accounts just for turning up for house sittings, don't mention Ming the bogman from Roscommon who claimed expenses when he was on a foreign junket or that other gob****e from Wexford with the pink shirt. Your blood should boil, but direct your anger in the right direction to thoses who should be leading by example. Fatcats, like pigs, have their snouts firmly still in the trough, and until that changes, nothing will change.
GBOA wrote: » Interesting thread. Having worked in both public and private sectors (mostly private) I've found the transition to public sector frustrating and mind boggling. Of course I can only speak for the place I work in but it seems like a familiar story across other branches of the sector locally. My experience is in no way related to wages elsewhere but I thought it may be interesting to explain how the two sectors differ. When it comes to performance management, this is a joke and merely a box ticking exercise. When I marked a member of staff unsatisfactory for his review (and thus denying him his yearly increment) I thought I was going to end up having an official grievance taken against me. Fortunately, I'd documented his incompetence throughout the year and taken steps to help him improve, with no success. The problem was his previous bosses had always marked him satisfactory despite him clearly never having been such. The other main problem is the belief among the majority of staff that they are all 'flat out' and working their little socks off. That being the case, I'd say very few would last a month in the private sector. This is exarcebated by an HR department that is influenced more by the union, than by staffing issues which in turn means staff are pretty much free to do as they please, knowing that the chance of disciplinary action is minimal (one member of staff recently assaulted another and no action was taken despite police involvement). Everybody works in their little 'compartment' and is unaware of what happens beyond that, meaning much work is duplicated but when this and other inefficiencies are pointed out, the answer is usually "it's always been done like this". Obviously that must make it the best way... In a building of 400, I truly believe that if 200 private sector employees were hired instead, the place would still be able to run, such is the poor work ethic here. Maybe this doesn't relate to Irish Rail wages much and I will again reiterate that this is my only experience of the public secotr.
Grandeeod wrote: » Some of them have lived above their means a some haven't, but they are generally well sheltered from the recession.
