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Season 3: Episode 7 * Have NOT read the books MOD NOTE Post#1

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Burt Macklin

Gbear wrote: »

I'm pretty sure that was an actual bear though. Just CG quarrels.

Listed in the credits as “Bart the Bear.” Best acting credit ever?

Pepe LeFrits

Poor Bart. Dude was just desperate for a meal.

SherlockWatson

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Those scenes with Arya were an attempt by the writers to make him more likeable, I've never felt he was even remotely 'Ok' in the books.

He's a ****, end of.

As for the bad things he's done:

House Tarbeck and House Reyne.
Forced his father's mistress to walk around Lannisport naked, before banishing her.
The sacking of King's Landing and the slaughter and rape of women and children and the murder of Elia of Dorne and her children.

No offence intended but why do you post and read this thread, if you have read the books?

beardedmaster

SherlockWatson wrote: »

No offence intended but why do you post and read this thread, if you have read the books?

Jelle1880 wrote: »

Yes, my bad, I mix these threads up sometimes

Almost all the book-readers read this thread, as far as I'm aware. I'm a book reader and I read them anyway. Don't post in them though (other than this..)

krudler

I've read the first two and started the third, am behind the show though, I'll probably have passed the show soon but I ain't sayin nuthin! its crappy when people pass off "theories" as stuff that will actually happen as they've clearly read it.

I use this thread rather than the read the books one as there's far too many upcoming book spoilers in there, accidentally clicked into it thinking it was the not read thread one time and ruined something from this series (which has now since happened).

Sleepy

krudler wrote: »

yeah the Kingsguard armour is fantastic, Barristen Selmy looks like a badass when he wore his, Jaime too. Must be cool for the actors to strut around in stuff like that

Peter Dinklage said in his recent interview with Playboy that it's a pain in the ass. The stuff is really heavy and makes any small knock or bump leave you bruised quite badly.

SherlockWatson wrote: »

No offence intended but why do you post and read this thread, if you have read the books?

Because it's fun to see how right/wrong non-readers predictions are

Also, because the series has diverged from the books on some of the plotlines and conversations such as the above on production values etc. it's interesting to see what other people think about them whether they've read the books or not.

You do have to be careful though. E.G. I haven't thanked a post in any of these threads that has a theory in it for fear of that "validating" the theory in the eyes of other non-readers and spoiling it for them.

Gbear

Sleepy wrote: »

You do have to be careful though. E.G. I haven't thanked a post in any of these threads that has a theory in it for fear of that "validating" the theory in the eyes of other non-readers and spoiling it for them.

A post can be thanks-worthy regardless of how accurate it is. It might just be clever or well written.;)

LionelNashe

Handsome Bob wrote: »

So......did Theon really just get his dick chopped off? Even for a
character that I hate, that's ****ing harsh! How did he even end up there, iirc the last time we saw him in Season 2 was when he got knocked out by his crew to presumably get dragged back to daddy.

I think that tool with the hooked end is for castrating farm animals. Always something getting chopped off in this programme - if it's not heads or hands it's balls.

The crew betrayed him and knocked him out in order to hand him over to the besieging army, who had promised safe passage out of Winterfell for everyone except Theon.

longhalloween

LionelNashe wrote: »

I think that tool with the hooked end is for castrating farm animals. Always something getting chopped off in this programme - if it's not heads or hands it's balls.

The crew betrayed him and knocked him out in order to hand him over to the besieging army, who had promised safe passage out of Winterfell for everyone except Theon.

Poor Theon,

Just can't get a break.

ben.schlomo

Agree completely with Squonk's post above, very poor episode and really went nowhere, didnt need to see the stories of Jon Snow, Brann, Robb etc going nowhere again. With so few left it would have made sense to start tying things up or at least setting them up to get to the end.

K4t

Think that episode really showed how uninteresting this show is without Littlefinger/Varys.

Degag

theteal wrote: »

Am I mad to think that the Hound may take Arya under his paw wing and school her into a battling bad-ass?

Penn wrote: »

Considering how much Arya hates him and wants to kill him (he's one of the names she keeps saying), I doubt it. Especially with how she kept telling the Brotherhood guys to kill him. I'd say it's more likely that given the amount of enemies he seems to have, he's either taking her to King's Landing to get back in good with the Lannisters, or he'll use her as a bargaining tool for safety

Think its possible he'll take her under his wing. He loves killing as he likes to point out but he was under orders to kill the Butchers Boy so he did it as he explained before the Trial by Combat. Wonder if he will escort her to that place where Ja'qen comes from?

Burt Macklin

longhalloween wrote: »

Poor Theon,

Just can't get a break.

It's almost as if the writers are doing anything to make people feel sorry for Theon after he was a total dick last season.

Dempsey

I think its Robb Stark thats having him tortured.Who else could it be?

Degag

Dempsey wrote: »

I think its Robb Stark thats having him tortured.Who else could it be?

I doubt it tbh. Robb doesn't seem to be so sadistic as to torture him that much. Would be just a quick execution once he found out the two boys were still alive. Just doesn't fit imo

Dempsey

Degag wrote: »

I doubt it tbh. Robb doesn't seem to be so sadistic as to torture him that much. Would be just a quick execution once he found out the two boys were still alive. Just doesn't fit imo

Who else wants to see Theon suffer? Its a short list.

Penn

MOD Edit: Sorry Penn I deleted this post as it quoted and responded to a post that was questionable.

Degag

Dempsey wrote: »

Who else wants to see Theon suffer? Its a short list.

I know but he just doesn't fit. Surely we would have seen Robb visit him? Catyln try to question him to see if he really killed Bran and Rickon?

longhalloween

Robb asks Roose Bolton to send his bastard to retake Winterfell at the end of season 2.

Seeing as they're all about flaying people, he's the likely suspect.

DL Saint

longhalloween wrote: »

Robb asks Roose Bolton to send his bastard to retake Winterfell at the end of season 2.

Seeing as they're all about flaying people, he's the likely suspect.

also the fact that Rob asks him not to kill Theon suits the whole torturing thing...

Dempsey

Degag wrote: »

I know but he just doesn't fit. Surely we would have seen Robb visit him? Catyln try to question him to see if he really killed Bran and Rickon?

Thats what I thought unless they are looking to introduce a huge flaw to Robb's character.

I'm not the best with Bannermen etc but who did Theon cut the head off of? Who did Theon burn to cover the deaths of Bran and Rickon?

I suppose the thoughts of his torture being used to introduce a completely new character/family/arc would make me annoyed with the writing tbh. His torture is slow, brutal and at the moment, has no apparent reason but it does have some reason, something important to do with the overall story, hopefully.

Someone has a motivation, and Robb is the one that really wants him at the moment, but if its a case of all that time over all those episodes for one sadist getting his kicks, ill be very disappointed.

As someone pointed out, George RR Martin wrote the screenplay for this episode, either he's shít at adapting books to screenplays or there is somethings in this episode that are important but at the moment, im leaning towards he isnt good at screenplays, pity

Witcher

Dempsey wrote: »

Thats what I thought unless they are looking to introduce a huge flaw to Robb's character.

I'm not the best with Bannermen etc but who did Theon cut the head off of? Who did Theon burn to cover the deaths of Bran and Rickon?

He beheaded Rodrick Cassel, Winterfell's master at arms and killed 2 random kids from a nearby farm.

longhalloween

"Gods help you Theon Greyjoy, for now you are truly lost"

Syferus

Wonderful finale to the episode. It's getting very hard not to like Jaime now. A very good arc with him this season.

There has to be a bigger pay-off to the Theon storyline than him simply being killed. Crazy that the show has got away with still not explaining what exactly happened to Winterfell at the end of last season and we're now seven episodes deep and fast nearing the season finale.

pixelburp wrote: »

I think it's Dance selling the part more than the character himself - Tywin isn't remotely likable when you think about it & how he has behaved to people is pretty loathsome. The throne-room scene did make me wonder if Tywin knows or suspects of Joffrey's possible origin. We know he's aware of Jamie & Cersei's affair, but I can't recall any conversation that might have tipped a hat to Tywin knowing. You'd imagine he might, the man is fiendishly intelligent

He's so fiendishly intelligent he's had his ass handed to him by Robb Stark multiple times, let Arya Stark serve as his manservant and dismisses motherf**king dragons out of hand. He is obsessed with image and it blinds him to the extent of the talents of his children, chiefly Tyrion. If you're not high born he's liable to completely dismiss you and that's a very dangerous trait to have.

I think he's a smart man who is going to end up royally stabbed by someone - literally and figuratively - and it'll be because of his sheer arrogance.

Losing Casterly Rock would wipe away a lot of Tywin's veneer. I think it'd make him do something very stupid because he would be so fixated on how weak it makes him look to have lost his house's keep.

SherlockWatson

Sleepy wrote: »

Because it's fun to see how right/wrong non-readers predictions are

That's fair enough to be honest, I may have come across a dick earlier unintentionally, but what I meant, is that if I see an opinion someone has of a character in the book, it could easily be based on future events, and that kind of spoils it for me, I mean if someone had said early in the season or even at the end of season 2 that Jamie isn't a bad guy deep down etc, you would have guessed something like what happened recently would have happened, if you know what I mean.

Apologies Jelle if I have come across as a dick, t'was not the intention!

beardedmaster wrote: »

Almost all the book-readers read this thread, as far as I'm aware. I'm a book reader and I read them anyway. Don't post in them though (other than this..)

Yeah I can definitely understand reading them alright, just to see whether people have copped twists and turns etc...

castletownman

When Jamie leapt into the bearpit I hope I wasn't the only one reminded of the ending of Anchorman

Burt Macklin

castletownman wrote: »

When Jamie leapt into the bearpit I hope I wasn't the only one reminded of the ending of Anchorman

I thought of that as well, and it was so strange I almost burst out laughing
''I immediately regret this decision.
These bears are massive! They looked a lot smaller from up there.'':D

Burt Macklin

Speaking of comedy crossovers, has anyone else seen the Arrested Westeros tumblr page where Game of Thrones meets Arrested Development? They match up surprisingly well.

Degag

Question:

Why do people think Jaime saved Brienne? He has as such saved her twice, from being raped and being killed by the bear. Don't seem to remember her saving him from anything.

For the first 2 seasons he didn't show any morals, is it a new morality from having his hand chopped off or just some kind of respect he has for her?

pixelburp

Degag wrote: »

Question:

Why do people think Jaime saved Brienne? He has as such saved her twice, from being raped and being killed by the bear. Don't seem to remember her saving him from anything.

For the first 2 seasons he didn't show any morals, is it a new morality from having his hand chopped off or just some kind of respect he has for her?

Character Development

I think Jamie is simply rediscovering some basic human decency by dint of being cut off from his family / riches & having to face reality for once (though it took Brienne's encouragement to deal with a lot of it). And his friendship with Brienne is just an example of the classic 'buddy cop' template; both of them thrown together by circumstance but eventually learn to respect, then like each other.

The hand-chopping was quite clever but it was such a shock, and having come after a lot of empathetic moments to soften Jamie's image, it tipped the scales for him & made people genuinely like the guy. Compare that with Theon, where he's apparently getting Varys'ed & nobody gives a damn