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Do you get annoyed when people say 'Eire'?

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...when they're speaking English? I've never heard an Irish person do it, but it seems to be common in the UK. I'm always being asked if I'm 'heading back to Eire' for a weekend and things like that. It sounds weird to me and comes off as really pretentious. Nobody would say 'I had a great week in Deutschland', would they? I've even been corrected when I've said I'm going to Ireland - 'which bit of Ireland? Do you mean Eire?' No, I mean Ireland.

What do you think?

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ONeill2013

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Ireland_Act_1948

Here's a useful link, it says Republic of Ireland is the official description of the state but not the name.
I'll always refer to it as ROI, better than 'down south' which doesn't fit with donegal.

somefeen

"If you suspect this video cassette is pirated please call XXX-XXXXX-XXXX or, if in Eire call XXXXX-XX"

paul71

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Why would you not say the Republic of Ireland?

Because The Republic of Ireland is not the name of the Country, there are 2 official names Ireland and Eire.

Richard

sunshine and showers wrote: »

'Ireland' implies the whole island including the North, apparently.

Well it does; at least it's ambiguous.

There are are several people on boards.ie who take great delight in saying "Northern Ireland is not part of Ireland". In one sense this is true, but it sounds odd, and isn't true in the sense that most people understand Ireland.

Iwasfrozen

Richard wrote: »

Well it does; at least it's ambiguous.

There are are several people on boards.ie who take great delight in saying "Northern Ireland is not part of Ireland". In one sense this is true, but it sounds odd, and isn't true in the sense that most people understand Ireland.

Ireland is the official name of the Republic so yeah NI isn't in Ireland. It depends on context.

donvito99

Article 4

The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland.

Strict constitutionalists, ironically, the English.

And when the Constitution talks about Ireland, the island, it brilliantly describes it as the Island of Ireland.

heinz hummer

LETS JUS CALL IT EIRELAND

mathepac

donvito99 wrote: »

... Strict constitutionalists, ironically, the English....

So strict in fact that they never bothered to commit a constitution to paper / vellum / parchment / stone.

Death and Taxes

mathepac wrote: »

Because that is the name of a football team.

And what do the FAI put on all the match pennants for their Senior Internationals?

Éire, as Éire V England which is what the pennant for the friendly will read next month.

Gran Hermano

Death and Taxes wrote: »

And what do the FAI put on all the match pennants for their Senior Internationals?

Éire, as Éire V England which is what the pennant for the friendly will read next month.

Should that not read Éire v Sasana?
Seems they have half in Irish language and half in English.

Would the GAA use Baile Atha Cliath V Kerry?

iguana

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Should that not read Éire v Sasana?
Seems they have half in Irish language and half in English.

What do they have for Germany, France, etc? If they use Deutschland, Française, etc then using Éire is correct as they are naming each country in their own first language.

[Deleted User]

I think it sound a bit clunky thats all it wouldn't bother me if anyone sadi it.

Another one I think is a bit strange..I was in a café in Northern Ireland one time and idly chatting to the owner and I said you are very busy and he said its a bank holiday in the "free state" a lot of people are up for he weekend I have never heard of us being refereed to as the free state.

Death and Taxes

iguana wrote: »

What do they have for Germany, France, etc? If they use Deutschland, Française, etc then using Éire is correct as they are naming each country in their own first language.

The use English names for other places as in the pic provided of the pennant for the match v Poland earlier this year.

mathepac

Gran Hermano wrote: »

Should that not read Éire v Sasana?...

No can do as the name of the team / franchise registered with FIFA is the Republic of Ireland. This happened after the FAI split from the IFA (the original organisation). One team named Northern Ireland the other one the Republic of Ireland

Death and Taxes

mathepac wrote: »

No can do as the name of the team / franchise registered with FIFA is the Republic of Ireland. This happened after the FAI split from the IFA (the original organisation). One team named Northern Ireland the other one the Republic of Ireland

Well when the FAI present a pennant to their opponents before a senior International it does not say Republic of Ireland, it says Éire.
That includes all the pennants for World cup Qualifiers and last years Euro's.

daheff

Richard wrote: »

But most English people's accents don't pronounce the r sound when it occurs at the end of a syllabul, so that is normal.

Its strange, because its only something that started to creep in about 5/6 years ago. It got to a stage where it was so bad I stopped watching Sky because it annoyed me so much. Its not as prevalent nowadays though (thank fck)

mathepac

Death and Taxes wrote: »

Well when the FAI present a pennant to their opponents before a senior International it does not say Republic of Ireland, it says Éire.
That includes all the pennants for World cup Qualifiers and last years Euro's.

Which is grand but the team is still ''Never never never say no, Urlan' Ulran', Repubalic of Urlan', rev ir up an' here we go''

ONeill2013

mariaalice wrote: »

I think it sound a bit clunky thats all it wouldn't bother me if anyone sadi it.

Another one I think is a bit strange..I was in a café in Northern Ireland one time and idly chatting to the owner and I said you are very busy and he said its a bank holiday in the "free state" a lot of people are up for he weekend I have never heard of us being refereed to as the free state.

that's actually what I hear most people call it, over the age of around 40 though, I didn't want to mention it here as from what I've heard people hate having it called that

Tiroskan

daheff wrote: »

Its strange, because its only something that started to creep in about 5/6 years ago. It got to a stage where it was so bad I stopped watching Sky because it annoyed me so much. Its not as prevalent nowadays though (thank fck)

I think it may also be related to the fact that the diction of a depressing number of the presenters on British television became woeful in the last while. I haven't watched tv in months (no freeview/sky) so I can't name any examples of the top of my head, but I remember it bothering me. Allowing for accents, how ****ing difficult is it to pronounce the entirety of a word clearly? One of the ones on the RTE news as been as bad lately too, can't remember who though. One of the blonde ones. (I'm not sure if that narrows it down really.)

ardle1

IzzyWizzy wrote: »

...when they're speaking English? I've never heard an Irish person do it, but it seems to be common in the UK. I'm always being asked if I'm 'heading back to Eire' for a weekend and things like that. It sounds weird to me and comes off as really pretentious. Nobody would say 'I had a great week in Deutschland', would they? I've even been corrected when I've said I'm going to Ireland - 'which bit of Ireland? Do you mean Eire?' No, I mean Ireland.

What do you think?

That's a tough one!! it literally depends on what way they say it,,I would know if they where taking the piss(lived there for a number of years) or if they where geuinely being friendly???some Irish guys insist (when asked)that they come from Eire................
anyway if your sure they'r eh 'winding you up MATE! just reply (in strong cockney accent) fack of mate your havin a LAFF...Then you both can have a good laugh together:) then you can tip on to the airport b4 you miss your 30€ Ryanair flight:D fantastic value......

Fratton Fred

Tiroskan wrote: »

I think it may also be related to the fact that the diction of a depressing number of the presenters on British television became woeful in the last while. I haven't watched tv in months (no freeview/sky) so I can't name any examples of the top of my head, but I remember it bothering me. Allowing for accents, how ****ing difficult is it to pronounce the entirety of a word clearly? One of the ones on the RTE news as been as bad lately too, can't remember who though. One of the blonde ones. (I'm not sure if that narrows it down really.)

I would have taught they thought them better at school.

iguana

Fratton Fred wrote: »

I would have taught they thought them better at school.

Most English accents, including received pronunciation, are non-rhotic.

Fratton Fred

iguana wrote: »

Most English accents, including received pronunciation, are non-rhotic.

But which is correct, rhotic or non rhotic.

Does it matter? It would be very dull if we all sounded the same.

[Deleted User]

Tiroskan wrote: »

I think it may also be related to the fact that the diction of a depressing number of the presenters on British television became woeful in the last while. I haven't watched tv in months (no freeview/sky) so I can't name any examples of the top of my head, but I remember it bothering me. Allowing for accents, how ****ing difficult is it to pronounce the entirety of a word clearly? One of the ones on the RTE news as been as bad lately too, can't remember who though. One of the blonde ones. (I'm not sure if that narrows it down really.)

What do you mean?

runawaybishop

mike65 wrote: »

Its the other way round! Scottish notes are not technically legal tender currency (even in Scotland and Norn Iron) - rather they are promissory notes. Which means people who head south with them can find they are refused when offered.

The post you quoted was correct.

BANK OF ENGLAND NOTES:

In England and Wales the £5, £10, £20 and £50 notes are legal tender for payment of any amount. However, they are not legal tender in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

"legal tender" is not what you mean though, that refers to debt payment. You can accept any payment you want as long as both parties agree.

http://www.royalmint.com/aboutus/policies-and-guidelines/legal-tender-guidelines

mathepac

IzzyWizzy wrote: »

What do you mean?

Wot chew mean then, eh, eh?