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Do you have a history?

Wade in the Sea

A rather clever Spanish philospher in the 20th Century by the name of Santayana once said ""Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

The Labour Party are proposing that History be made no longer compulsory for post primary students while the Gaelic Language spoken by a minority in this country remains at the core of Education?

I smell a rat! Socialists are notorious for revisionism, but you wouldn't know unless you've studied history....

So what's more important - speaking a language that belongs in History or knowing that it once existed?

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dxhound2005

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

As with History - check your facts - before casting an opinon

Are you still saying that History and Irish are currently compulsory subjects on the Junior Certificate?

SparkySpitfire

Is brea liom stair.

Lando Griffin

An awful boring thread title.
Could have got more punters with something like
"Threesome of lessons face axe more sex class please".

Insect Overlord

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

First off - I am not anti Irish/Gaelic. Irish has a use, but better as a 3rd level Arts subject.

Irish is not just a subject. It's a language, a mode of communication and expression and record, one with its own long and ornate history that mirrors and intertwines with the subject (History) you're trying so desperately to defend.

shruikan2553

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Irish is not just a subject. It's a language, a mode of communication and expression and record, one with its own long and ornate history that mirrors and intertwines with the subject (History) you're trying so desperately to defend.

Maybe they should start teaching it more like a language then. Really I see no need for any subjects to be compulsory after the junior cert but history should be done until that point.

Jawgap

Corkfeen wrote: »

I actually only got as far as Junior Cert history, I am currently finishing my history undergrad though.:pac: I have found that many people in my course who had studied Leaving Cert history, struggled with adapting the way in which they analysed it. It tends to be one of the major complaints of history lecturers.

I do some tutoring on an undergrad history course and I've found that it varies. Irish history (and particularly Irish social history) is well grounded but students generally lack the ability to contextualise Irish events into the international 'arena' because generally European, American and especially Asian history are poorly taught / studied.

I've also found that a lot of students lack critical thinking skills - in 1st year anyway. Given they quickly adapt and develop them, it's down to a lack of teaching rather than an absence of ability.

Finally, a lot of students demonstrate decent research abilities except they are - in a lot of instances - too lazy to go beyond Wikipedia! Once they get a good kick in the hole a prod they apply their abilities more constructively.

Zebra3

Wade in the Sea wrote: »

A rather clever Spanish philospher in the 20th Century by the name of Santayana once said ""Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

The Labour Party are proposing that History be made no longer compulsory for post primary students while the Gaelic Language spoken by a minority in this country remains at the core of Education?

I smell a rat! Socialists are notorious for revisionism, but you wouldn't know unless you've studied history....

So what's more important - speaking a language that belongs in History or knowing that it once existed?

They probably don't want the youth of today finding out about the AIB bailout they supported while in government with FG in the 1980s.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_Irish_Banks#Insurance_Corporation_of_Ireland

Or them knowing about James Connolly and his ideals and how much the current Labour leadership are happy to sell out those ideals for power and its trappings.

Hoop66

Thing about history is, it's just one bloody thing after another.

Corkfeen

Jawgap wrote: »

Finally, a lot of students demonstrate decent research abilities except they are - in a lot of instances - too lazy to go beyond Wikipedia! Once they get a good kick in the hole a prod they apply their abilities more constructively.

I remember a person got flagged for plagiarism in first year. They had basically half of a wikipedia article. The mind boggles at such idiocy. :pac: