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td's wont be allowed to take communion if they vote for abortion.

greenpilot

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

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RobertKK

kylith wrote: »

Where do you think it 'disappeared' to? The incident was recorded by Cogitosus, and reported on http://choiceireland.blogspot.ie/2008/02/happy-st-brigids-day-irelands-first.html

In the middle ages abortion wasn't seen as a big deal at all, at least until the soul entered the foetus, i.e. when the baby started to kick. Even in the bible it's only punishable by a fine. Exodous 22-23

Choiceireland - a very non biased source....

It says "he shall pay as the judges determine." it doesn't say a fine.

bodice ripper

surely all they have to do is go to confession after and they are golden, right.

Piss poor threat by the intermediaries of the sky man.

Derpington95

I think many TD's are actually scared to vote or speak in favour this bill because as we know it is the parishes and constituencies that will get them back into the Dáil. Imagine how many votes they would lose (especially from the elderly) if the Christians in the parish found out they were for abortion. Awful shcandle altogether.

St.Spodo

As a pro-choice non-believer, I wouldn't be critical of the church for this. The Catholic Church is explicitly anti-abortion, seeing it as murder(most here including me won't agree, but that's besides the point), so it's a logical step to take action against those who are committing in their eyes one of the mortal sins. On another note, Sean Brady has today criticised the immorality of our new abortion law, stressing the importance of our existing civil law. Irony RIP.

admiralofthefleet

an easy way to solve all this is to just outlaw the catholic 'religion' and seize its assets

RobertKK

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

an easy way to solve all this is to just outlaw the catholic 'religion' and seize its assets

Eamon Gilmore would love to do that.

lazygal

RobertKK wrote: »

Eamon Gilmore would love to do that.

And I would applaud him for doing so. I'm getting mighty sick of men with collars who believe in supernatural beings having a national platform to spread their misogyny and be given air and TV time for pronouncements like this.

admiralofthefleet

RobertKK wrote: »

Eamon Gilmore would love to do that.

so would i and the majority of the population im sure

lazygal

Sarky wrote: »

Always amusing how many Catholics know so little about Catholicism.

Non Catholics: Educating Catholics about the real aspects of their faith since "insert a long time ago here.'

P_1

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

so would i and the majority of the population im sure

Not too sure on that tbh.

Best way would be to have independent accountants look over the Church's books and deduct any 'profit' that they make once their charity is looked after.

A big trick was missed in not forcing the sale of any excess land a few years back mind

Pretzill

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

so they say nothing when scum like brady swears boys to secrecy yet are very quick out of the trap when it comes to them being upset

animals

Don't insult animals

Call me Al

So is this special treatment recommended only for Irish TDs, or does it also impact politicians living in other predominantly Catholic countries with liberal abortion laws (which is pretty much every catholic country I can think of in Europe).
I mean surely they must now be in the moral position of having to change these ungodly countries they all live in.

In fact I don't know how these priests can being themselves to live amongst all these murderous societies! Unbearable places they must be....

Knasher

Call me Al wrote: »

So is this special treatment recommended only for Irish TDs

I've heard the vice president of the US (who is catholic), being threatened with it also.

Míshásta

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

an easy way to solve all this is to just outlaw the catholic 'religion' and seize its assets

That's already been tried but it didn't work. Haven't you heard of the Penal Laws?

kowloon

ScumLord wrote: »

Just like if I employed an engineer I'd want him to know what he's doing rather than thinking a prayer was an important part of his engineering process.

I dunno, they did manage to build a boat big enough to hold enough of everything to respawn the planet with life. Out of wood. It shivers me timbers to hear someone ignore feats of biblical engineering so quickly.

Reindeer

awec wrote: »

It's also pretty hilarious that an organisation like the church is trying to take the moral high ground on this issue.

Is Sean Brady allowed to take communion?

They have "morals" when it suits.

Well, coercion and blackmail aren't mentioned specifically in the ten commandments so...

kraggy

No mention on RTE about this as far as I can see.

Nodin

kraggy wrote: »

No mention on RTE about this as far as I can see.

Thats because....

Bishops ‘have not discussed’ barring politicians from
communion over abortion stance

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bishops-have-not-discussed-barring-politicians-from-communion-over-abortion-stance-29240306.html

dixiefly

Has anyone a link to where the Catholic Church have said what is claimed in the OP?

kraggy

Nodin wrote: »

Thats because....

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/bishops-have-not-discussed-barring-politicians-from-communion-over-abortion-stance-29240306.html

I'm talking about the guy in Rome, not the Irish bishops.

Edit: As well as the Irish bishops i.e. I haven't seen anything about either on RTE. Just about Brady saying that aborition is immoral.

Nodin

dixiefly wrote: »

Has anyone a link to where the Catholic Church have said what is claimed in the OP?

As far as I know, they didn't say it, and I'm fairly sure somebody would have noticed if they did. Also, my post before this one.

Arpa

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Bill them for payouts the victims of clerical child abuse received - that will soften their cough.

The church should realise its on thin ice and avoid political discourse.

Sadly though, no matter how much thin ice the Church is on they will always have a following. There's a reason the congregation are called sheep...all followng blindly no matter what happens.

They don't need to be low key or avoid political discourse...they have enough old women clutching crucifixes around the globe to keep them going and it has been like that for hundreds of years. They're here to stay unfortunately...we just need to diminish their power...first thing being...reduce the sway they hold in Ireland. For too long we've had the weight of this fairytale movement on our shoulders.

kraggy

Am I right in assuming that the new legislation doesn't provide for somebody who has been raped and therefore she must have the baby unless she is suicidal?

Nodin

kraggy wrote: »

Am I right in assuming that the new legislation doesn't provide for somebody who has been raped and therefore she must have the baby unless she is suicidal?

Correct.

Also the life of the mother has to be threatened, as distinct from the health.

Fatal foetal abnormalities aren't covered either.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/a-very-real-tragedy-behind-a-human-rights-case-230194.html

jobeenfitz

greenpilot wrote: »

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

Hope they die fast, they have really fukcd up the minds of too many people in this country especially any of us born in the 60's and before.

Good riddance, Saint Patrick and all your snakes.

Busted Flat.

greenpilot wrote: »

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

I do not like this present regime, but if they stand up to these perverts, and their sick child molesting views I may support them the next time out.

kraggy

Nodin wrote: »

Correct.

Also the life of the mother has to be threatened, as distinct from the health.

Fatal foetal abnormalities aren't covered either.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/a-very-real-tragedy-behind-a-human-rights-case-230194.html

I've just been reading the Guardian's article here http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/03/ireland-pro-choice-campaign-risk-prison

While reading it, at times I was thinking to myself, what sort of barbaric country would imprison people forr 14 years for handing out information about abortions in Britain? And then I remember that I'm reading about my own country.

Read the article in the link. It's ****ing ludicrous. Supposedly the women on the streets in Galway and Dublin who are handing out info this week could go to prison for up to 14 years merely for providing information. I didn't know this was the case. Is it a case that seeking information is allowed but providing it is not?

And also, the issues of rape and incest are not being dealt with in this legislation. What the actual..? And furthermore, women who have been told that their foetuses are not going to make much more than minutes of life after birth are still going to be forced to go through with their pregnancies all the way through birth. For what? Who does that benefit?

People reading about all of this in other countries must think we're the most backward shíthole on the entire planet.

Lost for words.

jobeenfitz

kraggy wrote: »

I've just been reading the Guardian's article here http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/may/03/ireland-pro-choice-campaign-risk-prison

While reading it, at times I was thinking to myself, what sort of barbaric country would imprison people forr 14 years for handing out information about abortions in Britain? And then I remember that I'm reading about my own country.

Read the article in the link. It's ****ing ludicrous. Supposedly the women on the streets in Galway and Dublin who are handing out info this week could go to prison for up to 14 years merely for providing information. I didn't know this was the case. Is it a case that seeking information is allowed but providing it is not?

And also, the issues of rape and incest are not being dealt with in this legislation. What the actual..? And furthermore, women who have been told that their foetuses are not going to make much more than minutes of life after birth are still going to be forced to go through with their pregnancies all the way through birth. For what? Who does that benefit?

People reading about all of this in other countries must think we're the most backward shíthole on the entire planet.

Lost for words.

It makes it a little easier to understand when you factor in that most of the population including our law makers were all brainwashed by the catholic church. Its great to see that most of the young people now are not accepting without questioning and thinking for themselves.

DEFTLEFTHAND

jobeenfitz wrote: »

Hope they die fast, they have really fukcd up the minds of too many people in this country especially any of us born in the 60's and before.

Good riddance, Saint Patrick and all your snakes.

They aren't going anywhere imo, a worldwide religion with over 1 billion followers. I do hope that they reform, a new Vatican Council maybe to bring widespread meaningful change, It can happen but it will take a strong leader to do it. The problem in Rome is that the Curia tie up each conclave to ensure a new Pope doesn't ruffle any feathers, they're still seeding from John XXIII, nobody knew of his intentions when he was made Pope, they assumed he was a quiet old man who they could control

jobeenfitz

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They aren't going anywhere imo, a worldwide religion with over 1 billion followers. I do hope that they reform, a new Vatican Council maybe to bring widespread meaningful change, It can happen but it will take a strong leader to do it. The problem in Rome is that the Curia tie up each conclave to ensure a new Pope doesn't ruffle any feathers, they're still seeding from John XXIII, nobody knew of his intentions when he was made Pope, they assumed he was a quiet old man who they could control

Ye as much as I may dislike it "they" probably wont be going away any time soon.
Maybe our alien ancesters will return to straighten it all out soon.