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Garda visibility at speed traps?

Skuxx

Does anybody know the rules (if they exist at all) regarding Garda visibility at speed traps? I passed one today where a Garda was in the middle of a roundabout, hidden behind a sign on the roundabout, while his jeep was parked off a different exit from the roundabout in a gateway! I think I remember hearing that either the guard or his vehicle need to be visible although maybe I'm just dreaming this!!

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Anan1

alan1990 wrote: »

Does anybody know the rules (if they exist at all) regarding Garda visibility at speed traps? I passed one today where a Garda was in the middle of a roundabout, hidden behind a sign on the roundabout, while his jeep was parked off a different exit from the roundabout in a gateway! I think I remember hearing that either the guard or his vehicle need to be visible although maybe I'm just dreaming this!!

Why would they need to be visible? The idea is to catch people speeding.

corktina

not cricket though is it!

Skuxx

Anan1 wrote: »

Why would they need to be visible? The idea is to catch people speeding.

I realise that, but why do they publish all the locations of the gosafe vans then? I'm just curious as I'm certain I heard something about it before!

pa990

alan1990 wrote: »

Does anybody know the rules (if they exist at all) regarding Garda visibility at speed traps? I passed one today where a Garda was in the middle of a roundabout, hidden behind a sign on the roundabout, while his jeep was parked off a different exit from the roundabout in a gateway! I think I remember hearing that either the guard or his vehicle need to be visible although maybe I'm just dreaming this!!

There are no rules

keithsfleet

alan1990 wrote: »

I realise that, but why do they publish all the locations of the gosafe vans then? I'm just curious as I'm certain I heard something about it before!

I heard something similar a few years back but I'm fairly certain it was pub talk.

Hootanany

That's entrapment

Mycroft H

The TC garda I got caught for 2 years back was in his navy uniform standing behind a bush. So yea, they're sneaky enough.

colm_mcm

alan1990 wrote: »

I realise that, but why do they publish all the locations of the gosafe vans then? I'm just curious as I'm certain I heard something about it before!

They want public support for the ans as there is the perception that a private company would take the 'shooting fish in a barrell' approach.

I've no problem with 'crouching Garda, hidden speedgun' kinda stuff.

ted1

Anan1 wrote: »

Why would they need to be visible? The idea is to catch people speeding.

No the idea is to deter people and being visible dies this. By catching people they fail to deter them as no one knows that they are there.

Being proactive is better than being reactive.

Fred Swanson

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Fattes

I think I remember hearing that either the guard or his vehicle need to be visible although

In some U.S States but not in Ireland!

Iwannahurl

Hootanany wrote: »

That's entrapment

Rubbish.

Gosub

LOL Spot the copper.

Victor

Hootanany wrote: »

That's entrapment

Go on, explain who is encouraging you to break the law.

Can bank robbers claim the same if there is an unmarked garda car outside?

was.deevey

I realise that, but why do they publish all the locations of the gosafe vans then?

So that you wont drive like a lunatic in a known accident prone area ?

At the end of the day, you are breaking the law, you got caught, and if a evidence can be presented to prove it you are guilty.

I honestly have no sympathy for someone going 100 mph getting caught by a guard hiding behind a bush looking to get off on a technicality.

But I do there should be some tolerance at play +-5kph for arguments sake, getting caught doing 41 in a 40 zone IS ridiculous.

Iwannahurl

Victor wrote: »

Go on, explain who is encouraging you to break the law.

Can bank robbers claim the same if there is an unmarked garda car outside?

I think the view in certain quarters is that the speed camera operators are the robbers.

Hootanany

Speed checks are ment to visa Le to deter offenders hiding behind a bush is entrapment sorry on my phone for spelling.

Hootanany

Visable

Mycroft H

Hootanany wrote: »

Speed checks are ment to visa Le to deter offenders hiding behind a bush is entrapment sorry on my phone for spelling.

Ahh here. You're either breaking the speed limit or you're not. The law is pretty black and white on it. If you're breaking it, don't act surprised when you get caught.

ironclaw

There was some Health & Safety article I read debating whether they had to be wearing high-vis jackets when operating on or near a roadway. I think the final line was they were exempt. Not to be mistaken with the 'must be wearing a hat' malarkey. Either way, hiding is fair game.

Hootanany

I have never recieved points, but i was done before the points came in overtaking very slow vehicles on the Cavan bypass 3 mph above the limit.
I asked Garda am i allowed to go over the limit when overtaking, was told to pay ip as its a grey area.

Anan1

ted1 wrote: »

No the idea is to deter people and being visible dies this. By catching people they fail to deter them as no one knows that they are there.

What nonsense. A ticket is a real deterrent to speeding in a way that occasionally catching sight of a speed trap is not.

ironclaw

Hootanany wrote: »

I asked Garda am i allowed to go over the limit when overtaking, was told to pay ip as its a grey area.

There's no grey area. You can never, ever exceed the speed limit. If your doing 119km/h and someone wants to overtake you, they can legally do a maximum of 120km/h to do it.

ManMade

Hootanany wrote: »

Speed checks are ment to visa Le to deter offenders hiding behind a bush is entrapment sorry on my phone for spelling.

Entrapment is to trick someone into a crime to secure their prosecution. I hate speed cameras but fail to see how the guards are tricking people into speeding. Your either speeding or not.

If they were very visible people would just slow down for the camera... Although once you pass it now the chances of encountering another one soon is slim.:rolleyes:

slimjimmc

Hootanany wrote: »

Speed checks are ment to visa Le to deter offenders hiding behind a bush is entrapment sorry on my phone for spelling.

Not it's not.

I can only gather from your repeated (and incorrect) claim that you misunderstand what "entrapment" means so here's a Wikipedia article on it.

In criminal law, entrapment is conduct by a law enforcement agent inducing a person to commit an offense that the person would otherwise have been unlikely to commit

ted1

Anan1 wrote: »

What nonsense. A ticket is a real deterrent to speeding in a way that occasionally catching sight of a speed trap is not.

you don't recieve the ticket till after the offence has ben comitted and no one else knows.

by being visible, you slow down and don't commit and offence neither do the thousands of other drivers.

its abous preventing speeding, not dealing with the aftermath.

ted1

Hootanany wrote: »

That's entrapment

No its clearly not, for a good example of what entrapment is look up John Delorean founder of Delorean cars.

Hootanany

Surely being in plain site would deter speeders hiding is pure revenue raising.

was.deevey

Surely being in plain site would deter speeders hiding is pure revenue raising.

Deter speeders for what ? ... 100meters past the speedtrap when the likely hood of seeing another one is slim and none within a 50 mile radius.

The whole idea is that you NEVER know when there might be a speedtrap ahead, if you dont break the law, you wont get caught, simple concept really.

Celly Smunt

I tell what i hate,coming around a corner to have a load of guards hidden at a checkpoint and trying to slow down so you don't kill them.