Rosy Posy wrote: » This attitude makes my blood boil. It is precisely this line of thinking that creates a rape culture in our society that manifests in teenage rapists posting photos of their crimes on Facebook, and rape victims taking their own lives because of the stigma attached to them. How about this for a sex myth- the myth of the rapist hiding down an alley with a knife. Most rapists are known to their victims. Sexual assault does not have to be violent. Having sex with someone who is unconcious or too drunk to give consent is rape. Just because someone has slept with you before or has consented at an earlier time does not give you carte blanche to have sex with them again without obtaining their consent. The reason that rape and sexual assault is so shockingly underreported is because of the societal attitude that casts aspersions on the victim, as well as the social stigma that comes attached, which filters down through the system to result in the abysmally low conviction rate for rapists. Like another poster here, I find the one in four statistic low. I would have put it closer to three in four, especially if you take war zones into account. What makes you so sure of yourself as to presume to question the statistic? Most rape survivors don't advertise the fact. Many will only share their story with a handful of trusted confidants. Many more will tell no one. Due in part to having to come up against the kind of attitude displayed by you. Fwiw, I don't think you are a rapist, misogynist or monster, merely a product of our society. I hope that you can be open enough to do a little research in this area, adjust your attitude, then try to change someone else's.
Lingua Franca wrote: » I think trivialising sexual assault is rape culture. Exactly what can be done to my body against my will before you'd consider it sexual assault?
Henlars67 wrote: » sexually assaulted
Lingua Franca wrote: » sexually assaulted
Lingua Franca wrote: » groped on the street and in crowds, to give you the 'softest' examples
Lingua Franca wrote: » everything from unwelcome gropings to rape.
Lingua Franca wrote: » I was groped at the age of 14 by two grown men in a crowd at a concert. I was groped on the stree at the age of 30 by a teenager who ran up behind me and assaulted me.
sbsquarepants wrote: » slap on the ass
smash wrote: » a pinch on the ass is 'rape culture'?
--Kaiser-- wrote: » You are the one trivialising sexual assault by saying that a pinch in the ass qualifies. I think it's an insult to woman who have been sexually assaulted.
I've been groped, had my ass pinched and slapped by women, I've had all the buttons ripped off my shirt by a hen party. Would you say that hen nights are part of a rape culture?
Or that they are just drunk, rowdy women being idiots?
IM0 wrote: » nothing after you say no, simple.
Lingua Franca wrote: » But everything that happens before I say no is fair game?
Lingua Franca wrote: » Indeed, I bet you couldn't.
smash wrote: » Because it makes perfect sense. You are aligning a pinch on the arse with actual rape.
Lingua Franca wrote: » No, I'm very clearly aligning sexual assault with sexual assault. You're reducing sexual assault down to 'a pinch on the arse'.
Three Seasons wrote: » Who says I agree with everything she says???
Three Seasons wrote: » She's highly accomplished in numerous disciplines. What reason do you have to doubt her scientific competence other than her choice of swear words?
smash wrote: » Tell a rape victim that you got sexually assaulted and then qualify it with "A guy slapped my ass" and see how much sympathy you get. Actually, say it to anyone at all and see how much sympathy you get... :rolleyes:
Lingua Franca wrote: » I'd say the guys trying to reduce sexual assault down to a pinch on the ass are trivialising rape culture. And a pinch on the ass does indeed qualify, no one has any business laying their hands on another's body in a sexual manner without their consent.
Lingua Franca wrote: » I am a rape victim. And I'm sick to death of men telling me what violations of my bodily integrity I should be putting up with.
Three Seasons wrote: » Who has said you should put up with a slap on the ass? The simple point being made is its not even anywhere close to rape to put it mildly.
sbsquarepants wrote: » I'm really sorry to hear that. It's completely understandable so why you wouldn't see the funny side of a pinch on the bum or so on. People who haven't been in your position might see it differently though.
Lingua Franca wrote: » Which is why I (repeatedly) called it sexual assault. It was smash who tried to put words in my mouth by saying that I aligned it with rape.
wandatowell wrote: » WTF is it about men who think they can just go and slap a womens ass??? I've commented on this before and it pisses me off.
Uriel. wrote: » If I slapped you in the face would that be sexual assault? What about the chest?
wandatowell wrote: » WTF is it about men who think they can just go and slap a womens ass??? I've commented on this before and it pisses me off. If some guy slapped the future Mrs. Towells ass I'd have ZERO issue pulling him up on his behaviour.
Lingua Franca wrote: I'd say the guys trying to reduce sexual assault down to a pinch on the ass are trivialising rape culture.
