wonderfullife wrote: » LOL you'd be as well talking to the wall Playboy, some in here don't want to hear a bit of rational reasoning! Earth shattering revelations there that Maggie didn't like the Irish. We didn't like the English much either for large periods of our history. So what if she didn't like us. Sections of our island were trying to kill her. May slightly have coloured her views on us as a country. I was in France for the first time in 2001 and nearly every person i encountered was rude to me. The final straw was having my wallet robbed. I didn't particularly like the French much since then. All that being said i doubt anybody in France cares whether i like them or not and more importantly i'm sure the majority of French people are lovely.
K-9 wrote: » There's a bit of a difference in a PM saying it though. Bad and all as Haughey was, I don't think he said hated the Brits, I very much doubt Lynch or Garret did either.
Playboy wrote: » what is that supposed to mean? Who is self loathing and how did your intellect come to that conclusion? You would swear the woman presided over a genocide of the Irish? Pray tell what did she do to make you so bitter?
K-9 wrote: » Sorry, was the piece about Cromwell linked earlier, getting some to go home and all that. I know Haughey and her didn't get on, but I don't remember anything like that about him and it would hardly be something Lynch, Garret or Cosgrove would say.
Nodin wrote: » Seeing as he worked to prevent them, he's hardly going to admit he was wrong...
wonderfullife wrote: » We didn't like the English much either for large periods of our history. So what if she didn't like us. Sections of our island were trying to kill her. May slightly have coloured her views on us as a country.
space_man wrote: » i' ld say Mdladic, Karadzic, and Milosovic must be piissed she wasn't in power when they were busy "telling the Muslims to go home". they could have counted on her support no doubt.
[-0-] wrote: » I've made my case in this thread several times. In future, try reading through a thread before asking a dumb question.
Ava_e wrote: » r life's ambition was to destroy the poor and enrich the richest. .
SEPT 23 1989 wrote: » Some of the poor did quite well in the 80's and the richest actually hated her
Ava_e wrote: » The Tories wanted a massive turn out to confirm the fact that she was a mourned leader and her polices worked. They did not get that. They got the usual nuts who will sleep overnight to watch anyone they see as superior to themselves, be they royalty, film stars or even a shop grocers daughter called Thatcher who hated herself and her backround so much that her life's ambition was to destroy the poor and enrich the richest. And that was the only thing in life she succeeded in.
Ava_e wrote: » The only positive thing I can think of regarding the poor was the option to buy their council house. What were her other polices that enriched their lives ?.
Playboy wrote: » Need help to get that boulder off your shoulder?
Fratton Fred wrote: » Careful Tibbs, the mask is slipping.
Playboy wrote: » Where do you get this stuff honestly? Do you have no shame coming on here on blowing propaganda and lies out your backside? There is no evidence to suggest anything like this. Lots of poor people and working class voted for her repeatedly... she more than anyone leveled the playing field and introduced a meritocracy culture. Just because some unionised unprofitable industries went out of business you think she tried to destroy the poor? Just lol
Grandpa Hassan wrote: » That is just a rant. You make it sound like she screwed everyone for the benefit of the 1%. And that is clearly not true. She was elected three times. And a majority of the UK population think she was good for the country. Look at any opinion poll since her death. There is a signifcant and vocal minority that think she was a poor PM who executed poor policy, but to present her legacy as a promotion of greed for the benefit of the view is just baseless nonsense
Playboy wrote: » So in this thread so far we have had; 1. She hates women (even though she is one) 2. She hates the poor (even though she came from a modest background) 3. She hates the blacks (even though she helped getting apartheid abolished) 4. She hates the Irish (even though the IRA tried to blow her up and she has Irish ancestry) 5. Now space_man has revealed that she hates Muslims too. What next for this reincarnation of the Satan... the ultimate self loather.
Happyman42 wrote: » Yes indeedy, a 'rant'! She was the most unpopular leader on record in the early 80's, all the polls predicted a Labour landslide...then suddenly negociations on the sovereignty of a little island in the south Atlantic are stalled, her defence minister is saying openingly that 'we don't want the Falklands', an announcement, with much fanfare, that a warship HMS Endurance is to be withdrawn, the shelving of proposals to build military installations and the ending of the British Antartic Survey are all designed to give the impression that Britain has no further interest in the region and viola we have an invasion and a war to rescue us from electoral implosion. Her legacy is not confined to just the promotion of greed
Ava_e wrote: » Ok why did the working class vote for her, little Englanders who read the Sun Paper, and believed the Iron Lady was on their side. She hated them and their football culture, which is why she covered up the top report regarding policing during Hillsborough. The only time child poverty was above one third was when Labour were out of Goverment from 2007 it rose again when the Tories came into Goverment. So are the facts are wrong on child poverty ?.
Playboy wrote: » You are the one making the accusation so please demonstrate to us how she tried to destroy the poor?
Madam wrote: » Could you explain how she did all that = all by herself?
Ava_e wrote: » Tell me how she enriched them ?.
kinkygirl wrote: » I wonder if this thread will still be going on the 10th annivarsary of her death. The lady died a peaceful death, in one of the best hotels in the world, crowds cheered her as her coffin passed by, a funeral full of wonderful pomp and pageantry. Hate her all you like, but nobody can deny she had a great send off. RIP Maggie.
Let me give one anecdote to which I can personally attest. In leaving office she became a “consultant” to US tobacco giant Phillip Morris. She immediately used her influence on behalf of Phillip Morris to persuade the FCO to lobby the Polish government to reduce the size of health warnings on Polish cigarette packets. Poland was applying to join the EU, and the Polish health warnings were larger than the EU stipulated size. I was the official on whose desk the instruction landed to lobby for lower health warnings. I refused to do it. My then Ambassador, Michael Llewellyn Smith (for whom I had and have great respect) came up with the brilliant diplomatic solution of throwing the instruction in the bin, but telling London we had done it. So as you drown in a sea of praise for Thatcher, remember this. She was prepared to promote lung cancer, for cash.
space_man wrote: » don't just take my word on it. Australia's Foreign Minister, Bob Carr, has distanced himself from the chorus of overseas politicians eulogising Baroness Thatcher, recalling an "unabashedly racist" comment she made in relation to Asian immigration. Mr Carr said that during a conversation with Lady Thatcher after she had retired, and with his Malaysian-born wife, Helena, standing nearby, the late British prime minister warned him "against Asian immigration, saying that if we allowed too much of it, we'd see the natives of the land, the European settlers, overtaken by migrants".http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/margaret-thatcher-an-unabashedly-racist-the-view-of-the-australian-foreign-minister-8567946.html
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