Balagan wrote: » Dunnes was kept out of Kilkenny for so long in the past by the well-heeled local businesses with heavy representation on/connection to the local authority who wanted the status to stay quo and who felt that what was good for it/them was good for everybody. The 'one-dimensional price narrative' may indeed be grubby but it is not the only thing that is grubby.
buck65 wrote: » If Tesco come with a full superstore and sell furniture, gardening , electrical etc. do you think that these areas are going to be staffed well? Do you think you can walk in there and speak to someone knowledgeable? There might be one person who has a clue what they're doing but that would be about it.
buck65 wrote: » Well considering we have Dunnes, Tesco, Aldi and Lidl already in Ennis I'm not sure how this is relevant. Ennis town centre is in crisis, we need reform of the rates, parking costs etc. A large Tesco on the suburbs will increase the pressure on the town. To answer another post from Clareman earlier about jobs being replaced by jobs - It Tesco come with a full superstore and sell furniture, gardening , electrical etc. do you think that these areas are going to be staffed well? Do you think you can walk in there and speak to someone knowledgeable? There might be one person who has a clue what they're doing but that would be about it.
Afollower wrote: » I detest shopping in places like Tesco Coonagh Cross where there are clothes, electrical goods, computer stuff, books, cds, dvds, stationery, gardening stuff, etc. etc. but NO STAFF to give assistance or advice. Ennis definitely doesn't need such a store. I say bring back local specialist shops - we may have to pay a few euro more for items but our towns will be alive again and we will have social interaction with people other than automatic checkouts.
buck65 wrote: » The shops and businesses on the main streets. The electrical shops, clothes shops, bakeries, cafes, bookshops to name but a few. If a €20million plus turnover per annum behemoth sets up down the road surely those shops could expect to see at least 25% plus drop in sales?
Clareman wrote: » If they see a 25% drop in sales they'll also see a 25% drop in purchases, ultimately the amount of money being made by the business will drop but it shouldn't just be the amount their sales drop by. The amount of travel agents in town has dropped considerably in the last few years, this isn't because of a big name opening up in town, it's because of people's ability to get the same things cheaper online or over the phone, should the internet/phone sales be blocked because of the impact to high street travel agents?
buck65 wrote: » And a 25% drop in staff employed. My point is that these business are at break even or loss making as it is, they probably have boned their overheads and that 25% is what pays their wages. No business should buy a product and sell it at the same price as they paid for it. You would need maybe a third of a mark-up to cover over heads.
Clareman wrote: » And these are other issues besides Tesco opening a new shop in Ennis, minimum wages and rates are a massive burden on businesses, hence why most businesses that are surviving now are those where the owners are the only ones working there, I would say that most of the owners aren't getting anything near minimum wage for the hours they are working.
Clareman wrote: » An awful lot of towns have these issues, all over Ireland, it's very easy to blame the nasty shopping centre out of town, but there are other issues that can't be ignored like MASSIVE rates in town centres, high wage costs and the fact that we're in a recession.
Clareman wrote: » There are an awful lot of books that could be read on the topic,
I will by and large go for the cheapest, freedom of choice.
Afollower wrote: » I say bring back local specialist shops - we may have to pay a few euro more for items but our towns will be alive again and we will have social interaction with people other than automatic checkouts.
Akrasia wrote: » On the other hand, Ennis is horrible to shop in because the streets are too narrow and the footpaths are too narrow and the traffic is constant. Ennis needs to pedestrianize the main streets and turn the town centre into a plaza. Make Ennis town centre a nice place to be and it will attract people in there again.
Palmach wrote: » And most set out the facts regrading the damage big super markets do.
Palmach wrote: » So who makes them? How much they are paid? The environmental damage all these mean nothing to you?
Palmach wrote: » Shopping is also about social interaction and fostering a community spirit as well as purchasing good sna services.
Palmach wrote: » Ennis is ready made for pedestrianization. It is a cracking town and good be even better. Opening a multi-million euro behemoth like Tesco will destroy this. People will drone about price but my reply is always...well with your savings you can visit your kids when they are off working in Melbourne.
Balagan wrote: » People from all walks of life have faced massive cut-backs and loss of employment without recourse. Tell me why I owe the shopkeepers in Ennis a living at the expense of savings which enable me better provide for my family. Are shopkeepers' families more important/entitled than mine?
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buck65 wrote: » Again price, price, price. Go back and read my posts about the spinoff to the local communities and businesses that small business provides in towns. You have no argument except ranting on about prices and how much money you will save when a new Tesco comes to town.
MrsD007 wrote: » I think Tesco in Ennis has been crying out for a revamp for years and the parking there is completely inadequate. The current store is horrible and it's only redeeming feature is its staff who are extremely helpful, some of whom have been working in the store for over 30 years. I'd like to see a similar sized store in a better location. Personally, I don't see the need for a huge Tesco Extra store when Dunnes, LIDL, ALDI are already in town. While I do shop in Tesco and Dunnes, I also make a point of shopping in my local butchers, bakeries, fruit and vegetable shop, bookshop and our local Supervalu store as I know that these smaller businesses support local suppliers and sponsor local sports teams and events in my area. I like the fact that when I shop in my local Supervalu that I can purchase local produce like - Sheep's Cheese from Cratloe and Handmade Chocolate from Tuamgraney. Tesco doesn't have the best track record when it comes to treating small suppliers if news reports can be believed. [/B]http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-suppliers-claim-tesco-seeks-up-to-500-000-to-stock-goods-1.621890?digest=1http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085939/Supermarkets-accused-using-bully-boy-tactics-farmers-shoppers-cheaper-deal.html#ixzz2QpnWuIu8http://www.herald.ie/opinion/the-real-cost-of-tesco-price-cuts-27911740.html Philip Boucher Hayes made a very interesting programme a couple of years ago which examined the 'Tesco Effect' on towns. Studies have found that for every 20 jobs Tesco creates in a town, 30 are lost locally :eek: I shop in Nenagh on regular basis and in 2010 Tesco Extra opened in the town creating 120 roles. However, within a short period of time other businesses closed down in the town such as Supervalu, O'Connors Supermarket and other smaller businesses. The closure of these stores was extremely disappointing for the town. Supervalu in particular provided a nice range of local produce. From what I can see the only places that seem to be thriving in Nenagh now are Tesco Extra, LIDL and ALDL, even Dunnes seems alot quieter these days. (By the way, like Ennis there are lots of other reasons for business closures - recession, high rents and rates etc. I'm not suggesting that it's all down to Tesco and the other multiples). As for pricing, I've noticed pricing inconsistencies between Tesco in Nenagh, Kilrush and Ennis. I've purchased items in Tesco Nenagh that were on offer (not the yellow stickers) but the same offer wasn't available in Ennis. One look at the Tesco bargains thread in the Bargain Alerts forum confirms this. Here is a short extract from the programme I referred to earlier. Another thing that irritates me about Tesco is their use of the Job Bridge scheme. I think it is fairly cheeky of an organisation that makes a €3.8 billion pre-tax profit (2011) to use the Job Bridge scheme when they are looking for shelf stackers for the Christmas period. Tesco have the financial resources to create proper paid for positions :mad:http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/09/16/tesco-want-shelf-stackers-for-christmas/http://www.thejournal.ie/tesco-stands-behind-jobbridge-advert-228599-Sep2011/ Finally, the price of a product is extremely important but I've found that sometimes it is well worth paying a little extra to speak to someone who is knowledgeable and can advise you on purchases, in the long run you can save yourself money by buying products that actually suit you. I used to purchase some health food/vitamin supplements online from a company in Galway until I discovered 'The Health Connection' in the Turnpike, the owner really knows her stuff (I believe she is a qualified nutritionist), she takes time to listen to her customers and seems genuinely interested in helping them and providing products that best meets their needs. Another local business that I feel is worth mentioning is Martin Heaneys, I know that I may be able to purchase a cheaper TV or DVD player in Currys or Harvey Norman but my family have always purchased from Heaneys (30 years +) and their After Sales Service is absolutely brilliant. I remember the late Martin Heaney repairing TVs for us when others would have been more interested in making a sale. Some might say that's not a great business technique but Heaneys seem to have loyal customer base and they've seen bigger and more flash stores come and go. My parents in particular like dealing with them because they'll look after installation and carefully explain how everything works. Anyway, I suppose the point I'm making is that local businesses do need our support if they're to have a future and while it's accepted that most of us have to shop in the large stores like Tesco/Dunnes etc for our main weekly shop this doesn't prevent us from purchasing things like fresh meat, fish, fruit and vegetables etc from local suppliers, in my experience these items, particularly meat and fish tend to be far superior when purchased locally.
Clareman wrote: » . This is a discussion that has nothing to do with Tesco in Ennis though, it's more to do with your conscience. Great Euthopian ideals there, I'm picturing Are You Being Served? and Open All Hours, again nothing to do with Tesco Ennis, if anything having people going to 1 large building and interacting with each other there would be a good thing, I know I had many the romance start in Dunnes Mall when I was younger..
MrsD007 wrote: » [/B]http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-suppliers-claim-tesco-seeks-up-to-500-000-to-stock-goods-1.621890?digest=1http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085939/Supermarkets-accused-using-bully-boy-tactics-farmers-shoppers-cheaper-deal.html#ixzz2QpnWuIu8http://www.herald.ie/opinion/the-real-cost-of-tesco-price-cuts-27911740.html Philip Boucher Hayes made a very interesting programme a couple of years ago which examined the 'Tesco Extra Effect' on towns. Studies have found that for every 20 jobs Tesco creates in a town, 30 are lost locally :eek: I shop in Nenagh on regular basis and in 2010 Tesco Extra opened in the town creating 120 roles. However, within a short period of time other businesses closed down in the town such as Supervalu, O'Connors Supermarket and other smaller businesses. The closure of these stores was extremely disappointing for the town. Supervalu in particular provided a nice range of local produce. From what I can see the only places that seem to be thriving in Nenagh now are Tesco Extra, LIDL and ALDL, even Dunnes seems alot quieter these days. (By the way, like Ennis there are lots of other reasons for business closures - recession, high rents and rates etc. I'm not suggesting that it's all down to Tesco and the other multiples). As for pricing, I've noticed pricing inconsistencies between Tesco in Nenagh, Kilrush and Ennis. I've purchased items in Tesco Nenagh that were on offer (not the yellow stickers) but the same offer wasn't available in Ennis. One look at the Tesco bargains thread in the Bargain Alerts forum confirms this. Here is a short extract from the programme I referred to earlier. Another thing that irritates me about Tesco is their use of the Job Bridge scheme. I think it is fairly cheeky of an organisation that makes a €3.8 billion pre-tax profit (2011) to use the Job Bridge scheme when they are looking for shelf stackers for the Christmas period. Tesco have the financial resources to create proper paid for positions :mad:http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/09/16/tesco-want-shelf-stackers-for-christmas/http://www.thejournal.ie/tesco-stands-behind-jobbridge-advert-228599-Sep2011/ Finally, the price of a product is extremely important but I've found that sometimes it is well worth paying a little extra to speak to someone who is knowledgeable and can advise you on purchases, in the long run you can save yourself money by buying products that actually suit you. I used to purchase some health food/vitamin supplements online from a company in Galway until I discovered 'The Health Connection' in the Turnpike, the owner really knows her stuff (I believe she is a qualified nutritionist), she takes time to listen to her customers and seems genuinely interested in helping them and providing products that best meets their needs. Another local business that I feel is worth mentioning is Martin Heaneys, I know that I may be able to purchase a cheaper TV or DVD player in Currys or Harvey Norman but my family have always purchased from Heaneys (30 years +) and their After Sales Service is absolutely brilliant. I remember the late Martin Heaney repairing TVs for us when others would have been more interested in making a sale. Some might say that's not a great business technique but Heaneys seem to have loyal customer base and they've seen bigger and more flash stores come and go. My parents in particular like dealing with them because they'll look after installation and carefully explain how everything works. Anyway, I suppose the point I'm making is that local businesses do need our support if they're to have a future and while it's accepted that most of us have to shop in the large stores like Tesco/Dunnes etc for our main weekly shop this doesn't prevent us from purchasing things like fresh meat, fish, fruit and vegetables etc from local suppliers, in my experience these items, particularly meat and fish tend to be far superior when purchased locally.
Balagan wrote: » My choices, based indeed on price, are to aid me provide for my family and my family comes first, comes before your business and the contribution local businesses might be making to the community.
MrsD007 wrote: » I think Tesco in Ennis has been crying out for a revamp for years and the parking there is completely inadequate. The current store is horrible and it's only redeeming feature is its staff who are extremely helpful, some of whom have been working in the store for over 30 years. I'd like to see a similar sized store in a better location. Personally, I don't see the need for a huge Tesco Extra store when Dunnes, LIDL, ALDI are already in town. While I do shop in Tesco and Dunnes, I also make a point of shopping in my local butchers, bakeries, fruit and vegetable shop, bookshop and our local Supervalu store as I know that these smaller businesses support local suppliers and sponsor local sports teams and events in my area. I like the fact that when I shop in my local Supervalu that I can purchase local produce like - Sheep's Cheese from Cratloe and Handmade Chocolate from Tuamgraney. Tesco doesn't have the best track record when it comes to treating small suppliers if news reports can be believed. [/B]http://www.irishtimes.com/news/irish-suppliers-claim-tesco-seeks-up-to-500-000-to-stock-goods-1.621890?digest=1http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1085939/Supermarkets-accused-using-bully-boy-tactics-farmers-shoppers-cheaper-deal.html#ixzz2QpnWuIu8http://www.herald.ie/opinion/the-real-cost-of-tesco-price-cuts-27911740.html Philip Boucher Hayes made a very interesting programme a couple of years ago which examined the 'Tesco Extra Effect' on towns. Studies have found that for every 20 jobs Tesco creates in a town, 30 are lost locally :eek: I shop in Nenagh on regular basis and in 2010 Tesco Extra opened in the town creating 120 roles. However, within a short period of time other businesses closed down in the town such as Supervalu, O'Connors Supermarket and other smaller businesses. The closure of these stores was extremely disappointing for the town. Supervalu in particular provided a nice range of local produce. From what I can see the only places that seem to be thriving in Nenagh now are Tesco Extra, LIDL and ALDL, even Dunnes seems alot quieter these days. (By the way, like Ennis there are lots of other reasons for business closures - recession, high rents and rates etc. I'm not suggesting that it's all down to Tesco and the other multiples). As for pricing, I've noticed pricing inconsistencies between Tesco in Nenagh, Kilrush and Ennis. I've purchased items in Tesco Nenagh that were on offer (not the yellow stickers) but the same offer wasn't available in Ennis. One look at the Tesco bargains thread in the Bargain Alerts forum confirms this. Here is a short extract from the programme I referred to earlier. Another thing that irritates me about Tesco is their use of the Job Bridge scheme. I think it is fairly cheeky of an organisation that makes a €3.8 billion pre-tax profit (2011) to use the Job Bridge scheme when they are looking for shelf stackers for the Christmas period. Tesco have the financial resources to create proper paid for positions :mad:http://www.broadsheet.ie/2011/09/16/tesco-want-shelf-stackers-for-christmas/http://www.thejournal.ie/tesco-stands-behind-jobbridge-advert-228599-Sep2011/ Finally, the price of a product is extremely important but I've found that sometimes it is well worth paying a little extra to speak to someone who is knowledgeable and can advise you on purchases, in the long run you can save yourself money by buying products that actually suit you. I used to purchase some health food/vitamin supplements online from a company in Galway until I discovered 'The Health Connection' in the Turnpike, the owner really knows her stuff (I believe she is a qualified nutritionist), she takes time to listen to her customers and seems genuinely interested in helping them and providing products that best meets their needs. Another local business that I feel is worth mentioning is Martin Heaneys, I know that I may be able to purchase a cheaper TV or DVD player in Currys or Harvey Norman but my family have always purchased from Heaneys (30 years +) and their After Sales Service is absolutely brilliant. I remember the late Martin Heaney repairing TVs for us when others would have been more interested in making a sale. Some might say that's not a great business technique but Heaneys seem to have loyal customer base and they've seen bigger and more flash stores come and go. My parents in particular like dealing with them because they'll look after installation and carefully explain how everything works. Anyway, I suppose the point I'm making is that local businesses do need our support if they're to have a future and while it's accepted that most of us have to shop in the large stores like Tesco/Dunnes etc for our main weekly shop this doesn't prevent us from purchasing things like fresh meat, fish, fruit and vegetables etc from local suppliers, in my experience these items, particularly meat and fish tend to be far superior when purchased locally.
Palmach wrote: » Your selfish viewpoint is of course one you are entitled to hold. But if that credo took hold across the economy how long before someone says to you "sorry mate I have someone who can do your job cheaper"
