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Tesco Ennis

souza64

i have seen where tesco ireland r in advanced discussions with nama to acquire a large development site on the outskirts of ennis with a view to building a very large supermarket similar to coonagh cross or the large one in naas.in addition they will be trialing a dobbies garden centre.com.they also plan for a pharmacy, opticians and bistro style cafe/ eatery.

car parking is being put at over 600 spaces.the development will include a creche and other child friendly free services.

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Le_Dieux

AnarchistKen wrote: »

No mention of the large number of jobs in construction and retail that Tesco create year on year. I lived in Naas for five years I actually think that they done a fine job on that site and left it with a fine looking building.

Tesco cannot be blamed for the NTC mess in the middle of the town.

Back on topic I hope for jobs alone the Ennis one goes ahead

I have no idea how many jobs were created during the construction. And yes I agree, the site is not bad at all.

But aare You telling me Tesco are blameless for what's happened in the town centre? Please.....but sorry, Im not going to detract from the thread title...just wondering if and when this supermarket opens & assuming this store sells what Tesco in Naas sells, will florists/mobile shops/toystores/electrics/pharmacy's in Ennis town centre not suffer and end up laying off staff?

Shapey Fiend

Tesco just loss lead everything, that's why the prices are low. When they've killed off the competition prices go back up. The playing field is far from level because they have weight to throw around that independent shops will never have. They don't even take a hit on the sale stuff the supplier has to take that. And if he doesn't then he loses a huge chunk of the market. The only reason to put your faith in these places is if you're blindly short term minded because they'll **** everybody over eventually.

Price is not the whole equation. If you want a tin of beans or whatever then fine but doing all your shopping in these places doesn't make good sense. The meat and veg isn't as cheap as you'll find elsewhere by shopping around, and it's 10 times worse than the local places. If you're only eating precooked meals and stuff then fair enough you'll find them in Tesco but if you're living on that kind of thing you're tripling your grocery bill anyway.

The Crescent is boooring. Give me Ennis town center on a rainy day over that any time. The cinema is one of the dirtiest in the country, the speakers are all broken and they've selotaped the screens where it's ripped.

Balagan

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Aren't you the lucky ones, our County Council come Borough council won't allow Tesco into Kilkenny, so everyone has to goto Carlow, Wexford or Tipp.
Funny we have two Dunnes in the city, pathetic parking but plenty of small shops selling for tourists mainly.
Didn't mean to crash in but we would love a TESCO.

It took forever to get Dunnes into Kilkenny.

foxcoverteddy

Aren't you the lucky ones, our County Council come Borough council won't allow Tesco into Kilkenny, so everyone has to goto Carlow, Wexford or Tipp.
Funny we have two Dunnes in the city, pathetic parking but plenty of small shops selling for tourists mainly.
Didn't mean to crash in but we would love a TESCO.

Clareman

catallus wrote: »

I'm still in the dark about precisely where this is supposed to be happening?

Tesco Ireland have made no secret about wanting to build a new shop in Ennis, they have tried to get permission to build across the road from the West County and failed, they are now rumours going around that they are looking for other sites, with rumours circulating of sites ranging from Ballymaley (out old Gort Road) to the site of the "old" National School to the site on the by-pass where the new Cusack Park was going to go. I would say that Tesco are probably looking at all those sites and more and will decide on what 1 eventually.

Carazy

souza64 wrote: »

i have seen where tesco ireland r in advanced discussions with nama to acquire a large development site on the outskirts of ennis with a view to building a very large supermarket similar to coonagh cross or the large one in naas.in addition they will be trialing a dobbies garden centre.com.they also plan for a pharmacy, opticians and bistro style cafe/ eatery.

car parking is being put at over 600 spaces.the development will include a creche and other child friendly free services.

Unless you have a link to such developments I think this is a bit suspect considering you have just joined here and your very first post is this ''inside'' info.......

dee_mc

Is this the proposed site roughly across the road from Flannan's College near the Applegreen service station or has a new site been proposed?

catallus

I'm still in the dark about precisely where this is supposed to be happening?

collie0708

dpofloinn wrote: »

''I run a business that competes with much larger businesses and I guarantee you I am far cheaper than these companies. You might be surprised if you investigated prices a bit further.''

That's great that you have found a way for your business to compete and survive while others go to the wall,but for these businesses to blame Tesco and other large organisations for their demise is just a cop out , these businesses failed to adapt to the times we are in and sadly have paid the price.We all have overheads to pay but I don't see why I or anyone else should pay extra for goods or services just because its local

I couldn't agree more,if you are running your business well and satisfying your customers you have nothing to worry about.

Will never understand the number of people who go mental about big companies and how they put all these local places out of business..... Truth is no business puts another out of business customers do by deciding where not to spend there money..

pilate 1

rainbowdash wrote: »

Your entitled to your opinion but that's all it is. We in our house think the crescent shopping centre is savage. The kids love it and we can park underground out of the rain for free. It has cinemas and takeways all in the same premises.

Its always buzzing and safe, there are no run down or boarded up shops and no feel of a recession when you go in there.

Why would I go to a local shop and listen to them piss and moan about the recession or tell me about how Mary up the road has cancer or Johnny down the road has lost his job, and then pay more money for a loaf of bread or milk as I listen to the whine.

bringing up youre children in the rarefied confines of the cresent must be bliss:)

Mr. G

O'Connors have some really nice rolls

I noticed a good lot of the bakerys in large supermarkets, have a sell by date of that day every time I go in there and some of the stuff is not fresh.

Do Tesco make rolls there?

Clareman

rainbowdash wrote: »

Why would I go to a local shop and listen to them piss and moan about the recession or tell me about how Mary up the road has cancer or Johnny down the road has lost his job, and then pay more money for a loaf of bread or milk as I listen to the whine.

There are some great reasons to shop local, you might hear about a plan to shut the electricity or water off or something like that. There's also some great local shops (e.g. Bakeries like O'Connors and Cootes) that make products that (imvho) are far superior than anything that can be gotten in large supermarkets (although they do supply the large shops as well), same goes for meat, I always get that from a local butchers.

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Clareman wrote: »

I'm a bit tired this evening, but I'm trying to think of what businesses would be affected if Tesco was to open a second shop in Ennis, besides their direct competitors (Dunnes, Centra, Aldi & Lidl) I would see Off Licenses and Electronical shops as the businesses under the most threat by Tesco opening a new large shop.

In regards to taking people out of town, as I have already said, I don't think many people go up town on foot from Tesco, the first site Tesco were going for (West County) would have gotten people almost as close to town as they would be in the current location, if they have to move further out that would put an even larger pull away from the town centre. In addition, I would imagine that a lot of businesses that would be looking to open in a shopping centre/mall type location would be franchises (like Argos), people are going to use these whether they are in Limerick or Ennis, why not have shops in Ennis and have people employed here instead of in Limerick/Galway?

Finally, Tesco would be a 24/7 operation, that would be ~8 hours extra each day that any local shop would hope to do, that would be 8 hours extra salary for staff, that staff would be local people, salaries paid by multi-nationals like Tesco are exactly the same as salaries paid by local businesses.

point taken but profits DONT.

rainbowdash

buck65 wrote: »

All I hear you all mention is price. Is there not more to it than cost? Do you make a decision based only on price?

Do you buy your burgers in Tesco or do you go to the local butcher who sources his meat from traceable sources.

What about customer service. I like to buy wine from a small shop who will let you sample a bottle and give you a free bottle when you accumulate 10 bottles.

the boxes sell the same trash, mass produced for the masses. These malls are souless with European and English owned companies. Look at Grafton St in dublin you might as well be in London.

Your entitled to your opinion but that's all it is. We in our house think the crescent shopping centre is savage. The kids love it and we can park underground out of the rain for free. It has cinemas and takeways all in the same premises.

Its always buzzing and safe, there are no run down or boarded up shops and no feel of a recession when you go in there.

Why would I go to a local shop and listen to them piss and moan about the recession or tell me about how Mary up the road has cancer or Johnny down the road has lost his job, and then pay more money for a loaf of bread or milk as I listen to the whine.

Clareman

I'm a bit tired this evening, but I'm trying to think of what businesses would be affected if Tesco was to open a second shop in Ennis, besides their direct competitors (Dunnes, Centra, Aldi & Lidl) I would see Off Licenses and Electronical shops as the businesses under the most threat by Tesco opening a new large shop.

In regards to taking people out of town, as I have already said, I don't think many people go up town on foot from Tesco, the first site Tesco were going for (West County) would have gotten people almost as close to town as they would be in the current location, if they have to move further out that would put an even larger pull away from the town centre. In addition, I would imagine that a lot of businesses that would be looking to open in a shopping centre/mall type location would be franchises (like Argos), people are going to use these whether they are in Limerick or Ennis, why not have shops in Ennis and have people employed here instead of in Limerick/Galway?

Finally, Tesco would be a 24/7 operation, that would be ~8 hours extra each day that any local shop would hope to do, that would be 8 hours extra salary for staff, that staff would be local people, salaries paid by multi-nationals like Tesco are exactly the same as salaries paid by local businesses.

AnarchistKen

Le_Dieux wrote: »

Pardon me for intruding:

I live in Newbridge & I have seen what has happened to Naas first hand since Tesco built their large store out on the Monread ( next to the Highway to Limerick/Cork/Waterford). While this was going on, Naas Town Council ( NTC) were building a large shopping centere right in the centre of Naas and Dunne's were supposed to be the anchor tenant. Whatever happened there, Dunne's pulled the plug, and eventually NTC also pulled the plug on that half built site.

Naas also has a terrible problem with parking, with €2 ( iirc) per hour or part thereof. Between all three occurances ( and probably another one or two ) the centre of Naas is a ghost town, with LOTS of shop fronts boarded up. Naas was once a beautiful town, still is, but to see all these derelict sites ( remember the Superquinn site is also deserted now) is a sad indictment on everything that's wrong with this once beautiful country.

As I say at the start, I am intruding, but I just want to paint the picture here so that Ennis doesn't become another Naas.

No mention of the large number of jobs in construction and retail that Tesco create year on year. I lived in Naas for five years I actually think that they done a fine job on that site and left it with a fine looking building.

Tesco cannot be blamed for the NTC mess in the middle of the town.

Back on topic I hope for jobs alone the Ennis one goes ahead

dpofloinn

''All I hear you all mention is price. Is there not more to it than cost? Do you make a decision based only on price?''

Sort answer yes Price is everything I don't want to be your friend,I don't want to chit chat about the weather I just want to get what I came to town to get and go home.
From what I can see from this thread the traders and merchants of Ennis don't like competition and it would seem they prefer to blame all their woes on big faceless multinationals

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dpofloinn wrote: »

''I run a business that competes with much larger businesses and I guarantee you I am far cheaper than these companies. You might be surprised if you investigated prices a bit further.''

That's great that you have found a way for your business to compete and survive while others go to the wall,but for these businesses to blame Tesco and other large organisations for their demise is just a cop out , these businesses failed to adapt to the times we are in and sadly have paid the price.We all have overheads to pay but I don't see why I or anyone else should pay extra for goods or services just because its local

in local retail for 30 years ,family buisness for almost 100.one thing ive noticed
(seen a lot come and go) is the very people who lament the loss of a small local
buisness didnt support it in the first place:mad:adapt my arse its about economies of scale and race to the bottom.i live eat drink etc here and MY ****ING TAX DOLLARS STAY HERE:mad:

buck65

All I hear you all mention is price. Is there not more to it than cost? Do you make a decision based only on price?

Do you buy your burgers in Tesco or do you go to the local butcher who sources his meat from traceable sources.

What about customer service. I like to buy wine from a small shop who will let you sample a bottle and give you a free bottle when you accumulate 10 bottles.

the boxes sell the same trash, mass produced for the masses. These malls are souless with European and English owned companies. Look at Grafton St in dublin you might as well be in London.

rainbowdash

If all the shops in Ennis were selling clothes made in liscannor or kilkee, fish from lough derg, potatoes from Inagh, beef from Crusheen, TVs and electronics made in Shannon, mobile phones made in Quin, then yes they might have a case.

If the reality is that most of what they sell is imported anyway then its just sour grapes, business is all about evolution.

Lets leave the EC and slap 50% tax on all imports and see where that leaves us.

dpofloinn

''I run a business that competes with much larger businesses and I guarantee you I am far cheaper than these companies. You might be surprised if you investigated prices a bit further.''

That's great that you have found a way for your business to compete and survive while others go to the wall,but for these businesses to blame Tesco and other large organisations for their demise is just a cop out , these businesses failed to adapt to the times we are in and sadly have paid the price.We all have overheads to pay but I don't see why I or anyone else should pay extra for goods or services just because its local

Palmach

Balagan wrote: »

Just my brain, calculator and bank balance! .

So you decided to have a livelinesgue whinge about prices but you have not one shred of evidence to back up what you said.

buck65

Not sure had heard the BNS but in fairness there are plenty of sites outside Ennis I'm sure if they want to buy them.

Nevermind_

buck65 wrote: »

Ennis National School (BNS)

That doesn't tally with the initial poster on this;

"i have seen where tesco ireland r in advanced discussions with nama to acquire a large development site on the outskirts of ennis"

The old National school could not possibly be in NAMA or else its just more of the usual bullcrap rumour mill that does the rounds

buck65

Radio5 wrote: »

Where did you see this ? Where is the development supposed to be?

The site opposite the West County has already been ruled out by the planning refusal so where is the proposed site you're referring to ?

Ennis National School (BNS)

buck65

dpofloinn wrote: »

At the end of the the day it comes down to survival of the fittest if the shops and businesses in Ennis are able to provide goods and services that people want and need then they have nothing to fear from Tesco,but if they cant then why should the people of Ennis and indeed Clare have to travel to Limerick for the things that a town the size of Ennis should have.

It can be argued all day, but Ennis needs to become more like Killarney a town of comparable size which manages to combine high street shops like Tesco,M&S,etc and its own indigenous local shops and businesses very successfully

Hardly a level playing field now is it?

Ennis is well catered for, the big 4 are all here and Ryan's, Lynch's Centra and Roslevan provide decent alternatives too.

As I said fine if Tesco replaces like with like sizewise with better parking but you can be sure they will want to double their size and add a load of new stores that will put others out of business and eventually close up themselves leaving a ghost mall like in Jetland Limerick.

Ennis and Clare can not sustain flagship Dunnes and Tesco stores and have viable smaller businesses.

I know a business in Kilrush that is going to close soon because it can't compete with Aldi and Tesco, and it isn't a grocery shop.

These "boxes" want to have it all but sure it's convenient so why stop them.

I run a business that competes with much larger businesses and I guarantee you I am far cheaper than these companies. You might be surprised if you investigated prices a bit further.

Radio5

souza64 wrote: »

i have seen where tesco ireland r in advanced discussions with nama to acquire a large development site on the outskirts of ennis with a view to building a very large supermarket similar to coonagh cross or the large one in naas.in addition they will be trialing a dobbies garden centre.com.they also plan for a pharmacy, opticians and bistro style cafe/ eatery.

car parking is being put at over 600 spaces.the development will include a creche and other child friendly free services.

Where did you see this ? Where is the development supposed to be?

The site opposite the West County has already been ruled out by the planning refusal so where is the proposed site you're referring to ?

Balagan

Palmach wrote: »

You have some sort of link or the like to back up this statement I presume?

Just my brain, calculator and bank balance! And the accompanying scores of Clare people in Limerick with me doing their shopping and slowing down the traffic.

dpofloinn

At the end of the the day it comes down to survival of the fittest if the shops and businesses in Ennis are able to provide goods and services that people want and need then they have nothing to fear from Tesco,but if they cant then why should the people of Ennis and indeed Clare have to travel to Limerick for the things that a town the size of Ennis should have.

It can be argued all day, but Ennis needs to become more like Killarney a town of comparable size which manages to combine high street shops like Tesco,M&S,etc and its own indigenous local shops and businesses very successfully

Johnboy1951

Did I miss it? ........ what is the proposed location of the new Tesco?