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Cannabis smokers and their smugness

GD88

Now before I begin, yes I've smoked the stuff in the past, but I haven't smoked it for the past two years, and I've also done personal research on this, so I believe I know what I am talking about. I don't really understand how or why so many cannabis smokers are so smug and naive when it comes to their habit. Talk to many of them, and you would be given the impression that cannabis was merely just another 5-a-day of a person's daily greens, or just "a herb". Much of the debate surrounding the issue amongst it's users is clouded in nonsensical rhetoric about it been "harmless", "good for your health", "less harmful than alcohol", "non-addictive" etc. However if any of these individuals actually took the time to investigate what cannabis does to the user as opposed to relying on second-hand knowledge and hearsay from others within the cannabis smoking community, they would then understand that,

(a) No cannabis is not healthy, it is no healthier than tobacco or inhaling cigarette smoke. It contains chemicals, carbon monoxide, tar and other harmful ingredients to the human body. Cannabis smoke is no safer than cigarette smoke for the body, the lungs in particular.

(b) "It is not addictive". Well hold on, yes it is technically addictive, if not in the physical sense, it's an addictive substance in the psychological sense. And if anything a psychological addiction (as many cigarette smokers can attest to) can be even more overpowering through habit forming than that of a physical dependency.

(c) "Cannabis is safer than alcohol". No it isn't. Granted that binge drinking and going beyond the weekly 20 unit level of consumption, or drinking too much in one go is bad for one's health, the liver in particular - moderate drinking, of wine in particular has been proven to have health benefits. In fact studies have shown that moderate drinkers even outlive complete abstainers by a few years. Also drinkers are not taking in carbon monoxide and tar into their systems such as is the case with cannabis smokers.

(d) "Science and medicine are now using cannabis to help out cancer patients". This is one of the chief underlying justifications amongst cannabis smokers that they are indeed onto something within the health department when it comes to their use of cannabis. Well no there is a difference, yes - certain cancer patients have been given CBD to use in a non-smoking format, but nobody is giving cancer patients weed with it's THC content to smoke, so that these patients would be getting stoned in order to improve their prospects of recovery.

(e) The link between cannabis use and mental illness. It has been proven time and time again, that cannabis use within users is linked to a greater chance of contracting mental illness, sometimes very serious mental illnesses, so much so that many users are hospitalised as a direct result of their use of cannabis.

I could go on of course, but I would just like to put this out there as too many cannabis smokers I feel are smug, naive and ill-informed about their habit. No it's not just some harmless, non-addictive, lovey-dovey herb. It is not a safe substance to be inhaling under any circumstances, regardless of what you want to believe to the contrary, and if your views are to the contrary, then you have just about 99% of scientific literature out there and real life evidence against you and your habit.

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betterthanivey

Where are you getting your medicals facts from. Without links from studies your arguments are invalid.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57356379-10391704/is-smoking-marijuana-bad-for-your-lungs/

Ill sum up why weed is better than alcohol. No one has ever died from smoking weed. Alcohol has killed more people than you can imagine and is the major cause of disease in this country, causing bowel cancer, liver disease/failute, heart disease etc.

(a) Cannabis is much safter than cigaratte smoke. Studies have shown it has very little effect on the lungs unlike cigarattes which are packed with tar

(b) There is nothing in weed like nicotine in cigarettes. Some people can become addictive just like alcohol, gambling etc.

(c) Cannabis contains no where as much chemicals as cigarette smoke and barely affects the lungs

(d) Yes there giving THC from the cannabis plant and ?

(e) Weed can cause mental illness in a very small percentage of people

refusetolose

ts : dr

Mr Whirly

There's science for and against it.

I don't like coffee but I don't get upset when other people drink it.

Canis Lupus

GD88 wrote: »

Now before I begin, yes I've smoked the stuff in the past, but I haven't smoked it for the past two years, and I've also done personal research on this, so I believe I know what I am talking about. I don't really understand how or why so many cannabis smokers are so smug and naive when it comes to their habit. Talk to many of them, and you would be given the impression that cannabis was merely just another 5-a-day of a person's daily greens, or just "a herb". Much of the debate surrounding the issue amongst it's users is clouded in nonsensical rhetoric about it been "harmless", "good for your health", "less harmful than alcohol", "non-addictive" etc. However if any of these individuals actually took the time to investigate what cannabis does to the user as opposed to relying on second-hand knowledge and hearsay from others within the cannabis smoking community, they would then understand that,

(a) No cannabis is not healthy, it is no healthier than tobacco or inhaling cigarette smoke. It contains chemicals, carbon monoxide, tar and other harmful ingredients to the human body. Cannabis smoke is no safer than cigarette smoke for the body, the lungs in particular.

(b) "It is not addictive". Well hold on, yes it is technically addictive, if not in the physical sense, it's an addictive substance in the psychological sense. And if anything a psychological addiction (as many cigarette smokers can attest to) can be even more overpowering through habit forming than that of a physical dependency.

(c) "Cannabis is safer than alcohol". No it isn't. Granted that binge drinking and going beyond the weekly 20 unit level of consumption, or drinking too much in one go is bad for one's health, the liver in particular - moderate drinking, of wine in particular has been proven to have health benefits. In fact studies have shown that moderate drinkers even outlive complete abstainers by a few years. Also drinkers are not taking in carbon monoxide and tar into their systems such as is the case with cannabis smokers.

(d) "Science and medicine are now using cannabis to help out cancer patients". This is one of the chief underlying justifications amongst cannabis smokers that they are indeed onto something within the health department when it comes to their use of cannabis. Well no there is a difference, yes - certain cancer patients have been given CBD to use in a non-smoking format, but nobody is giving cancer patients weed with it's THC content to smoke, so that these patients would be getting stoned in order to improve their prospects of recovery.

(e) The link between cannabis use and mental illness. It has been proven time and time again, that cannabis use within users is linked to a greater chance of contracting mental illness, sometimes very serious mental illnesses, so much so that many users are hospitalised as a direct result of their use of cannabis.

I could go on of course, but I would just like to put this out there as too many cannabis smokers I feel are smug, naive and ill-informed about their habit. No it's not just some harmless, non-addictive, lovey-dovey herb. It is not a safe substance to be inhaling under any circumstances, regardless of what you want to believe to the contrary, and if your views are to the contrary, then you have just about 99% of scientific literature out there and real life evidence against you and your habit.

This almost reads like an attempt to get rebuttals in order to answer a homework assignment.

zonEEE

Is your name Grainne Kenny by any chance?

This has been done over and over, your "facts" are complete and utter bullsh1t.

Mark Tapley

GD88 wrote: »

Now before I begin, yes I've smoked the stuff in the past, but I haven't smoked it for the past two years, and I've also done personal research on this, so I believe I know what I am talking about. I don't really understand how or why so many cannabis smokers are so smug and naive when it comes to their habit. Talk to many of them, and you would be given the impression that cannabis was merely just another 5-a-day of a person's daily greens, or just "a herb". Much of the debate surrounding the issue amongst it's users is clouded in nonsensical rhetoric about it been "harmless", "good for your health", "less harmful than alcohol", "non-addictive" etc. However if any of these individuals actually took the time to investigate what cannabis does to the user as opposed to relying on second-hand knowledge and hearsay from others within the cannabis smoking community, they would then understand that,

(a) No cannabis is not healthy, it is no healthier than tobacco or inhaling cigarette smoke. It contains chemicals, carbon monoxide, tar and other harmful ingredients to the human body. Cannabis smoke is no safer than cigarette smoke for the body, the lungs in particular.

(b) "It is not addictive". Well hold on, yes it is technically addictive, if not in the physical sense, it's an addictive substance in the psychological sense. And if anything a psychological addiction (as many cigarette smokers can attest to) can be even more overpowering through habit forming than that of a physical dependency.

(c) "Cannabis is safer than alcohol". No it isn't. Granted that binge drinking and going beyond the weekly 20 unit level of consumption, or drinking too much in one go is bad for one's health, the liver in particular - moderate drinking, of wine in particular has been proven to have health benefits. In fact studies have shown that moderate drinkers even outlive complete abstainers by a few years. Also drinkers are not taking in carbon monoxide and tar into their systems such as is the case with cannabis smokers.

(d) "Science and medicine are now using cannabis to help out cancer patients". This is one of the chief underlying justifications amongst cannabis smokers that they are indeed onto something within the health department when it comes to their use of cannabis. Well no there is a difference, yes - certain cancer patients have been given CBD to use in a non-smoking format, but nobody is giving cancer patients weed with it's THC content to smoke, so that these patients would be getting stoned in order to improve their prospects of recovery.

(e) The link between cannabis use and mental illness. It has been proven time and time again, that cannabis use within users is linked to a greater chance of contracting mental illness, sometimes very serious mental illnesses, so much so that many users are hospitalised as a direct result of their use of cannabis.

I could go on of course, but I would just like to put this out there as too many cannabis smokers I feel are smug, naive and ill-informed about their habit. No it's not just some harmless, non-addictive, lovey-dovey herb. It is not a safe substance to be inhaling under any circumstances, regardless of what you want to believe to the contrary, and if your views are to the contrary, then you have just about 99% of scientific literature out there and real life evidence against you and your habit.

Why are people who give something up such a pain in the arse?

Scruffles

Canis Lupus wrote: »

This almost reads like an attempt to get rebuttals in order to answer a homework assignment.

indeedy,OP must have hit the boards bookmark instead of yahoo answers.

mmmmm who doesnt love the smell of an agenda in the morning.

betterthanivey

GD88 wrote: »

I'm not going to go about digging up links for what we already know - that is the scientific and medical establishment's view on cannabis use. However, perhaps the link below would be a good starting point given that it would be pretty much the general view held by experts within the fields investigating cannabis use and it's effects on users.

http://norml.org/library/health-reports/item/norml-s-marijuana-health-mythology

To think that cannabis is as bad as smoking cigarettes in your original post is cute. Yes cannabis can have negative effects just like alcohol. Everyone knows this. But it is generally harmless

zonEEE

GD88 wrote: »

I'm not going to go about digging up links for what we already know - that is the scientific and medical establishment's view on cannabis use. However, perhaps the link below would be a good starting point given that it would be pretty much the general view held by experts within the fields investigating cannabis use and it's effects on users.

http://norml.org/library/health-reports/item/norml-s-marijuana-health-mythology

How many people, each year die directly from alcohol use = millions

How many people have EVER died DIRECTLY from smoking weed = 0

Also there's a thing called vaporizing these days, I suggest you educate yourself a bit.

charlemont

I can afford to be smug when I wake up fresh in the morning in my own bed rather than dying with a hang over on a mates couch.:pac:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Why are people who give something up such a pain in the arse?

Interestingly,<snip> it's the only substance he's managed to give up[/URL]. You'd think he'd know a bit more about this kind thing?

I wonder, will we see an "investigative journalistic" piece about addictions in the metro healrd in the coming weeks, mmm?

betterthanivey

OP instead of drinking alcohol which you seem to have a bad addiction for why don't you smoke a few spliffs ?

No hangover and fresh as a daisy every day. Only smoke a few on weekends and one on a wednesday to help break up the week.

This is my message to you, don't worry about a thing, cause every little thing gonna be allright.

Rose up this morning, smiled at the rising sun...

DaithiMa

GD88 wrote: »

Now before I begin, yes I've smoked the stuff in the past, but I haven't smoked it for the past two years, and I've also done personal research on this, so I believe I know what I am talking about. I don't really understand how or why so many cannabis smokers are so smug and naive when it comes to their habit. Talk to many of them, and you would be given the impression that cannabis was merely just another 5-a-day of a person's daily greens, or just "a herb". Much of the debate surrounding the issue amongst it's users is clouded in nonsensical rhetoric about it been "harmless", "good for your health", "less harmful than alcohol", "non-addictive" etc. However if any of these individuals actually took the time to investigate what cannabis does to the user as opposed to relying on second-hand knowledge and hearsay from others within the cannabis smoking community, they would then understand that,

(a) No cannabis is not healthy, it is no healthier than tobacco or inhaling cigarette smoke. It contains chemicals, carbon monoxide, tar and other harmful ingredients to the human body. Cannabis smoke is no safer than cigarette smoke for the body, the lungs in particular.

(b) "It is not addictive". Well hold on, yes it is technically addictive, if not in the physical sense, it's an addictive substance in the psychological sense. And if anything a psychological addiction (as many cigarette smokers can attest to) can be even more overpowering through habit forming than that of a physical dependency.

(c) "Cannabis is safer than alcohol". No it isn't. Granted that binge drinking and going beyond the weekly 20 unit level of consumption, or drinking too much in one go is bad for one's health, the liver in particular - moderate drinking, of wine in particular has been proven to have health benefits. In fact studies have shown that moderate drinkers even outlive complete abstainers by a few years. Also drinkers are not taking in carbon monoxide and tar into their systems such as is the case with cannabis smokers.

(d) "Science and medicine are now using cannabis to help out cancer patients". This is one of the chief underlying justifications amongst cannabis smokers that they are indeed onto something within the health department when it comes to their use of cannabis. Well no there is a difference, yes - certain cancer patients have been given CBD to use in a non-smoking format, but nobody is giving cancer patients weed with it's THC content to smoke, so that these patients would be getting stoned in order to improve their prospects of recovery.

(e) The link between cannabis use and mental illness. It has been proven time and time again, that cannabis use within users is linked to a greater chance of contracting mental illness, sometimes very serious mental illnesses, so much so that many users are hospitalised as a direct result of their use of cannabis.

I could go on of course, but I would just like to put this out there as too many cannabis smokers I feel are smug, naive and ill-informed about their habit. No it's not just some harmless, non-addictive, lovey-dovey herb. It is not a safe substance to be inhaling under any circumstances, regardless of what you want to believe to the contrary, and if your views are to the contrary, then you have just about 99% of scientific literature out there and real life evidence against you and your habit.

^^^^^^^^^
And you call cannabis smokers smug?

Chuck Stone

It's as simple as this; making criminals out of people who smoke weed is incredibly cuntish behaviour.

Duggy747

So that's what diarrhea in text form looks like.

Jester252

I love how people have in a roundabout way give support to the theory that pot smokers are smug.

SicklySweet

I don't smoke cannabis either, but in point (a) i do believe that that is a small, TINY issue if the smoker mixes the cannabis with tobacco from a cigarette. Depending on the form of the cannabis, the tobacco is not even needed.

It's not addictive, as you can see, neither you or I are smoking the stuff regularly. I have been addicted to other stuff in the past such as cigarettes, alcohol and even coca-cola. Never once after smoking cannabis did i think "God, i'd love some more"

I'm not into the whole debate about marijuana, whether it's legalised or not it won't affect me. And also, i'm not even sure if what i said in my first point was correct, but eh, i tried.

jay-me

Smug?? Bit of the kettle calling the POT afghani black methinks.. :pac:

Grand Moff Tarkin

GD88 wrote: »

Now before I begin, yes I've smoked the stuff in the past, but I haven't smoked it for the past two years, and I've also done personal research on this, so I believe I know what I am talking about. I don't really understand how or why so many cannabis smokers are so smug and naive when it comes to their habit. Talk to many of them, and you would be given the impression that cannabis was merely just another 5-a-day of a person's daily greens, or just "a herb". Much of the debate surrounding the issue amongst it's users is clouded in nonsensical rhetoric about it been "harmless", "good for your health", "less harmful than alcohol", "non-addictive" etc. However if any of these individuals actually took the time to investigate what cannabis does to the user as opposed to relying on second-hand knowledge and hearsay from others within the cannabis smoking community, they would then understand that,

(a) No cannabis is not healthy, it is no healthier than tobacco or inhaling cigarette smoke. It contains chemicals, carbon monoxide, tar and other harmful ingredients to the human body. Cannabis smoke is no safer than cigarette smoke for the body, the lungs in particular.

(b) "It is not addictive". Well hold on, yes it is technically addictive, if not in the physical sense, it's an addictive substance in the psychological sense. And if anything a psychological addiction (as many cigarette smokers can attest to) can be even more overpowering through habit forming than that of a physical dependency.

(c) "Cannabis is safer than alcohol". No it isn't. Granted that binge drinking and going beyond the weekly 20 unit level of consumption, or drinking too much in one go is bad for one's health, the liver in particular - moderate drinking, of wine in particular has been proven to have health benefits. In fact studies have shown that moderate drinkers even outlive complete abstainers by a few years. Also drinkers are not taking in carbon monoxide and tar into their systems such as is the case with cannabis smokers.

(d) "Science and medicine are now using cannabis to help out cancer patients". This is one of the chief underlying justifications amongst cannabis smokers that they are indeed onto something within the health department when it comes to their use of cannabis. Well no there is a difference, yes - certain cancer patients have been given CBD to use in a non-smoking format, but nobody is giving cancer patients weed with it's THC content to smoke, so that these patients would be getting stoned in order to improve their prospects of recovery.

(e) The link between cannabis use and mental illness. It has been proven time and time again, that cannabis use within users is linked to a greater chance of contracting mental illness, sometimes very serious mental illnesses, so much so that many users are hospitalised as a direct result of their use of cannabis.

I could go on of course, but I would just like to put this out there as too many cannabis smokers I feel are smug, naive and ill-informed about their habit. No it's not just some harmless, non-addictive, lovey-dovey herb. It is not a safe substance to be inhaling under any circumstances, regardless of what you want to believe to the contrary, and if your views are to the contrary, then you have just about 99% of scientific literature out there and real life evidence against you and your habit.

Some links or GTFO.

Radharc na Sleibhte

Each to their own.
Have never touched the stuff, but if someone else wants to, fine by me.
If i wanna go out and have a few drinks on a Saturday night cos I worked my ass off all week, I'll do that too.

Napper Hawkins

mikom wrote: »

Whatever you say.........

Love it.

12gauge dave

I smoke weed a couple times a month and the only negative effects it has on me are

1.its not very productive it make me lazy with my fitness training the day or two after smoking

2.the amount of food i eat while high is crazy i really do get bad munchies which is also bad for my weight/fitness

3.cost its 50euro a bag and a bag holds about 7 decent joints on average

4.not being able to drive after smoking

Those are the negatives for me everyones diferent i have cut down alot and will more than likely not even be smoking in a few months. It is pointless really. Ive had great fun with friends while high and so on but im in full time employment now and it doesnt suit being spaced out of it in the morning after one too many hits of the bong the night before

Cavehill Red

Let me get this one straight - the OP is a binge drinker who posts pleas for help online with dealing with his addiction to alcohol which he feels is destroying his life, but it's weed smokers who have the problem?

pragmatic1

betterthanivey wrote: »

Where are you getting your medicals facts from. Without links from studies your arguments are invalid.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162-57356379-10391704/is-smoking-marijuana-bad-for-your-lungs/

Ill sum up why weed is better than alcohol. No one has ever died from smoking weed. Alcohol has killed more people than you can imagine and is the major cause of disease in this country, causing bowel cancer, liver disease/failute, heart disease etc.

(a) Cannabis is much safter than cigaratte smoke. Studies have shown it has very little effect on the lungs unlike cigarattes which are packed with tar

(b) There is nothing in weed like nicotine in cigarettes. Some people can become addictive just like alcohol, gambling etc.

(c) Cannabis contains no where as much chemicals as cigarette smoke and barely affects the lungs

(d) Yes there giving THC from the cannabis plant and ?

(e) Weed can cause mental illness in a very small percentage of people

Cannabis has higher levels of polyaromatic hydrocarbons in it's smoke. A very nasty group of chemicals.

Cavehill Red

pragmatic1 wrote: »

Cannabis has higher levels of polyaromatic hydrocarbons in it's smoke. A very nasty group of chemicals.

Suggest you read this: http://www.harmreductionjournal.com/content/2/1/21

smash

Check out all the smug cannabis smokers getting defensive :pac:

Cavehill Red

Where are they?
I don't smoke cannabis, but I do prefer debates about medical matters or harm reduction to be based on fact and not nonsense.

zonEEE

smash wrote: »

Check out all the smug cannabis smokers getting defensive :pac:

The debate the op put out has to be one of the worst ive ever seen on after hours.

smash

zonEEE wrote: »

The debate the op put out has to be one of the worst ive ever seen on after hours.

Oh please, even disregarding the OP's medical 'facts' I've met so many cannabis smokers who carry the attitude the OP is talking about. The people I'm talking about have a superiority complex and a sense of entitlement to the drug.

Cavehill Red

smash wrote: »

Oh please, even disregarding the OP's medical 'facts' I've met so many cannabis smokers who carry the attitude the OP is talking about. The people I'm talking about have a superiority complex and a sense of entitlement to the drug.

Slow down a minute. So you want to disregard the small matter that the OP's post is more full of sh1t than Poolbeg waste treatment plant, so that you can continue generalising, without it must be said a shred of supporting evidence, about cannabis users?