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Being forced to use your "Irish" name at school

MadsL

My daughter attends a second-level gaelscoil that insists on calling her by a translation of her actual name that sound similar to her actual name but is in fact a different Irish name. She hates it and has frequently resisted it by saying to her teacher 'that's not my name'. Her teachers continually 'correct' her if she asserts that her name is her name by repeating the translated name back to her.

Should she put up with this? What does AH think?

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Oranage2

MadsL wrote: »

I should compromise her entire education because a couple of teachers are being rude? What?

Being rude - doing their job

Such a fine line

MadsL

ILoveOneDirection wrote:

Backing out,Not at all but i'm not asking someone to waste their time changing my name just to please you when i see it as a pointless exercise.

See how my daughter has wasted conversations over something pointless with people who want her to change something just to please them.

Object lesson

MadsL

Oranage2 wrote: »

Being rude - doing their job

Such a fine line

If I went around when I was a teacher making sure that all kids did not shorten their names, I'd be fired - and probably locked up. Fine Line.

Why haven't you changed your sig?

MadsL

aSligoDub wrote: »

This thread still going?

Well, at least it doesnt bother you......

On the contrary, just getting entertaining. What with taking over a username and a sig so far...

irishgirl19

im a Jennifer and they called me Sinead in Irish class.now thats completely different

MadsL

irishgirl19 wrote: »

im a Jennifer and they called me Sinead in Irish class.now thats completely different

Why?

MadsL

Right - so I'm outta here having proved that point.

Play me out Ting Tings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1c2OfAzDTI

darced

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Oranage2

MadsL wrote: »

On the contrary, just getting entertaining. What with taking over a username and a sig so far...

This thread is entertaining?

I suggest you stay away from a bingo hall, the excitement there could give you a heart attack.

irishgirl19

MadsL wrote: »

Why?

apparently its my Irish translation

MadsL

Oranage2 wrote: »

This thread is entertaining?

I suggest you stay away from a bingo hall, the excitement there could give you a heart attack.

Yet here you are with a new sig. I guess you will wake up tomorrow wondering about that one.

Night Night. Pray for me.

:pac:

MadsL

irishgirl19 wrote: »

apparently its my Irish translation

Said who?

Dan_Solo

HondaSami wrote: »

This thread has turned into one big troll fest, time to close it i think.

And as is the rule, those doing it are the first to call it. Every. Single. Time.

MadsL

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And as is the rule, those doing it are the first to call it. Every. Single. Time.

No - just backing away from a challenge to change username for 24hours.

God knows you didn't see that coming. Username123 ran away long ago.

ballsymchugh

Dan_Solo wrote: »

And as is the rule, those doing it are the first to call it. Every. Single. Time.

i think troll was called around lunchtime today!

kraggy

Jarrod wrote: »

I think you've a fair grievance there OP. When I was in school we'd a number of foreign people in the year and there names were never translated into English, nor should they be. If Pierre comes from Paris and joins an English speaking school why the hell would his name suddenly become Peter?

Some kids have enough bullsh*t to deal with in school without feeling like they've to battle with their teachers too.

This point has come up a lot in this thread. However, we never spoke French in this country so of course we're not going to call him Peter.

But we, as a nation, used to speak Irish in this country, long before we ever spoke English.

MadsL, are you sure that they've translated it wrongly? I mean you gave an example of Eoin/John which in fact is correct. Some Irish names sound and look completely different to their English versions.

For example, Sinéad is Irish for Jean. Gobnait is Irish for Deborah etc..

Double check that they are definitely wrong. Their native speakers in most cases in Gaelscoileanna so they know what they're at when it comes to the language.

MadsL

kraggy wrote: »

But we, as a nation, used to speak Irish in this country, long before we ever spoke English.

When was Ireland a single nation, speaking Irish?

Not trying to troll just curious as to why you have this vision an Irish speaking nation existing at some point, before some other language was used as a Lingua Franca.

When was it?

MadsL

kraggy wrote: »

For example, Sinéad is Irish for Jean. Gobnait is Irish for Deborah etc..

Double check that they are definitely wrong. Their native speakers in most cases in Gaelscoileanna so they know what they're at when it comes to the language.

And we have had Jennifers changed to Sinead.

They are not experts, they just make it up.

kraggy

MadsL wrote: »

When was Ireland a single nation, speaking Irish?

Not trying to troll just curious as to why you have this vision an Irish speaking nation existing at some point, before some other language was used as a Lingua Franca.

When was it?

What did we speak before being colonised by the English? I realise the Vikings and Normans had come to our land before that but before we spoke English wholesale, we spoke Irish in many parts, centuries before.

MadsL

kraggy wrote: »

What did we speak before being colonised by the English? I realise the Vikings and Normans had come to our land before that but before we spoke English wholesale, we spoke Irish in many parts, centuries before.

I'm sure they did, as tribes. Where does the nation bit come in?

ballsymchugh

MadsL wrote: »

I'm sure they did, as tribes. Where does the nation bit come in?

i thought you were leaving??

i'm out btw.

kraggy

MadsL wrote: »

And we have had Jennifers changed to Sinead.

They are not experts, they just make it up.

Siobhán is actually Irish for Jennifer.

Besides, if you think they're making stuff up why did you send your daughter to a Gaelscoil in the first place? You seem to have disdain for the language.

Did you just send her there because they statistically get better results? If so, you've no grounds for complaining.

Sponge Bob

Madsl is one of the very few boardsies that I have ever flagged as ignore, can someone summarise what he is on about ( Is rí chuma liomsa trí Ghaeilge no tri Bhéarla nó i dteachtaireacht phearsanta)

MadsL

Take me off ignore then silly?

Duh!

Smidge

kraggy wrote: »

This point has come up a lot in this thread. However, we never spoke French in this country so of course we're not going to call him Peter.

But we, as a nation, used to speak Irish in this country, long before we ever spoke English.

MadsL, are you sure that they've translated it wrongly? I mean you gave an example of Eoin/John which in fact is correct. Some Irish names sound and look completely different to their English versions.

For example, Sinéad is Irish for Jean. Gobnait is Irish for Deborah etc..

Double check that they are definitely wrong. Their native speakers in most cases in Gaelscoileanna so they know what they're at when it comes to the language.

Are you saying that the bold above is correct(as per the OP's point)that Eoin is not the translation for John?

kupus

If they are making it up, and you want her to have a good education why are you sending her there in the first place? What else could they be possibly making up?

MadsL

kraggy wrote: »

Siobhán is actually Irish for Jennifer.

Besides, if you think they're making stuff up why did you send your daughter to a Gaelscoil in the first place? You seem to have disdain for the language.

Did you just send her there because they statistically get better results? If so, you've no grounds for complaining.

I don't have a disdain for the language, I have distain for idiocy. I am baffled as why you have to change your name to learn it.

That makes no sense at all! Perhaps I should wear a beret to improve my French?

MadsL

kupus wrote: »

If they are making it up, and you want her to have a good education why are you sending her there in the first place? What else could they be possibly making up?

Ah I'm sure they have a few things right. And when I say they, I mean schools generally. Why should names need "translating" ?? There are numerous examples this Sarah = Sorcha nonsense for one. And Sinead = Jennifer now?

kraggy

Smidge wrote: »

Are you saying that the bold above is correct(as per the OP's point)that Eoin is not the translation for John?

MadsL gave that as an example of being an incorrect version of John when it's actually correct.

MadsL

kraggy wrote: »

MadsL gave that as an example of being an incorrect version of John when it's actually correct.

Could I have a link to the official book of names please? Oh wait, there isn't one.
At least the Czechs wrote a list of 365 Saints to choose from - and you get both a name day and a birthday.

http://www.myczechrepublic.com/czech_culture/czech_name_days/alphabetical.html

Perhaps a list should be formally 'approved'? After all this is serious stuff.