MadsL wrote: » One option. They'll still keep all her records in the wrong name.
Alaia Whining Army wrote: » lol, is this thread still going? Just call the school up and say "Hey, this is Madsl. My daughter Y doesn't like being called X and we'd prefer it if the teachers referred to her by her proper name. Thanks." *click*
MadsL wrote: » So when are you changing it? If it doesn't matter to your identity, off you go. And offensive by whose measure? She finds the sound of the name offensive to her ears, does that count?
reprazant wrote: » My god, you are actually incapable of discussing things like an adult. Right, I am out. I'd imagine one could get a more mature discussion with your teenage daughter rather than with you.
username123 wrote: » I actually had originally typed that post to include the sentence "but not something offensive" and then thought I was making a far too obvious point. Clearly not.
An Coilean wrote: » You're an awfull hyprocrite you know that, an incident where an authority figure tries to force Irish on someone and you're up in arms, but if it were an incident where an authority figure tries to force English on someone you would have a different tune.
MadsL wrote: » Struggle away. Do you to be called English English or English Irish when you go to school is just as easy a choice as milk or a banana. That help? The point is she did NOT make that choice at 2nd level - it was forced on her.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » It's not silly, names are closely linked with identity. Change the language of the name and you change the person's identity. No one has the right to force any culture or ideology onto a young impressionable mind.
Iwasfrozen wrote: » You're naive if you think Henry is the same thing as Heinrich or Frederick as Frédéric. The name implies a cultural affinity, it is not the place of teachers to impose their own cultural affinity to children. Like I said change the name you change the person's identity and how they see themselves. This is only a part of a wider rotten problem within the irish language community.
MadsL wrote: » Change your username to JustinBeiberLover for a week then.
Seachmall wrote: » Them pronouncing it wrong would be even more annoying.
wonderfullife wrote: » On any given day in school how many times do teachers actually call your name out? If you think about it - either in primary or secondary school? 5-6 max, some days less. Given it takes less than 1 second to say a name, that's what about 5 seconds out of 24,000 seconds in any given school day. It's really typifying the expression "making a mountain out of a molehill". Also, and this is just an aside, when has the internet become so dastardly devious and scary that revealing first names is a no-no? I've always understood revealing surnames to be a bit faux-pas risky, but like this whole thread could have been helped by knowing the name and offering some input on why/where the Irish translation of it is going awry. Or more to the point, if your daughter is just being silly. As in lets propose her name is sort of unique (thus easily 'findable' hence your refusal) like Tulisa and the Irish teachers go for something like Tólisa just to make it sound Irishy, then we could probably offer the opinion "so what ffs!". If you choose to start a thread having a pop at the intrinsic nature by which Irish-speaking schools translate proper nouns and first names, might help your cause to actually have the name in question!! Whilst it may not matter to you, and you may just have a problem with the fundamentals of it, it may shed more light on the situation.
Defiler Of The Coffin wrote: » Probably not, as Flower wouldn't usually be seen as an 'acceptable' translation for Bláthín when using her name in a different language. However, change that to 'David' for 'Daithí' and my answer is different. I think that's acceptable. It's all about what the generally accepted translation is and whether it sounds 'correct' or not. It's all about the semantics and the conventions involved with the languages. That might seem nonsensical to you but that's just the way it is.
username123 wrote: » You are entitled to your opinion but I think its nonsense. I am who I am no matter what someone refers to me as. My personal identity is not threatened by a name change. If your sense of identity is that fragile then a name change is the least of your worries.
reprazant wrote: » Not as much as you are struggling not to be condescending again. I am struggling with the bit where a 4 year old chooses her own name that is different from either surnames on her actual birth cert.
MadsL wrote: » Are you missing the rather crucial part about being forced to adopt a First name by the school? I don't think I was ever complaining about a free choice of which name to use
MadsL wrote: » She is, and doing well. Be nice if some teachers were more polite about not correcting how she says her name.
MadsL wrote: » Yes, she chose to do that. You are struggling with this a bit aren't you.
username123 wrote: » I never said it was - but THIS particular gripe is a silly thing - IMO. Id be more concerned that my child was studying and learning in school. Again, this is only my opinion.
username123 wrote: » Apparently you can do the deed poll thing if she is between 14-17 so long as there is the consent of both parents.
reprazant wrote: » But did you not say that on the birth cert, both her surname are in English yet her primary school was the first to use an Irish surname? Now her new school is using both an Irish first name and surname?
Does she not have other common usage of her name besides school records? Sports club or classes or GP records etc?
Iwasfrozen wrote: » To not question authority is not a good example.
osarusan wrote: » I'm going to go into my class tomorrow and tell my students they all have new names. Right, Tomoyuki, you're Thomas....Hiromasa, you're.....Harry...Maki, you're Mary...and so on. Why? Because I'm the teacher, and I'll do what I want with their names. It's an English class after all, so why would they complain?
