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Being forced to use your "Irish" name at school

MadsL

My daughter attends a second-level gaelscoil that insists on calling her by a translation of her actual name that sound similar to her actual name but is in fact a different Irish name. She hates it and has frequently resisted it by saying to her teacher 'that's not my name'. Her teachers continually 'correct' her if she asserts that her name is her name by repeating the translated name back to her.

Should she put up with this? What does AH think?

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ballsymchugh

MadsL wrote: »

And as I keep saying the only harm caused is a bit of irritation and as it turns out a delay in getting a passport to say what name my daughter intends to use as an adult.

I wasn't aware that being almost a bit cross and mostly irritated was such a terrible thing in Ireland. Shame on me.

can she not use bank statements for the 2 years of common usage?

Dan_Solo

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

That's not what I'm saying at all. If people rail, (I didn't say whine, so don't put in quotation marks) on boards and everyone is getting up in arms about it, why don't they back up their arguments with actions? Simple as.

Unless their arguments carry no weight to actually be able to follow through with action.

So now we've gone from anybody airing a problem on boards having a life or death situation on their hands to anybody asking for advice on boards being told to just do something or other?
I think the OP was kinda asking what to do, ya know?

fishy fishy

funny in all of this

the OP won't actually say what the name is.....

the op will not confirm if the passport and birth cert names are the same

the OP starting out saying the kid didn't like the name they were being called at school

the OP starts going on about the kid wanting to change her OWN name on the passport

if the kids passport and birthcert are the same - it follows on that the kids tax numbers, medical records and any other legal form will be taken from this information. he's been told this time and time again on this form

yet the OP still wants to argue about a school calling the kid by her irish name in a gaelscoil

at typlical "lay the blame on everyone else" attitude. A minor issue turned into nonsense because the OP would rather sit and rant and only give out "selective" information. God help us all if this is the new Ireland

Dan_Solo

fishy fishy wrote: »

funny in all of this

the OP won't actually say what the name is.....

What's funny about childrens' privacy online?

SparkySpitfire

Dan_Solo wrote: »

That makes no difference really as to whether the school has a legal right to change pupil's names now does it?Because that'd be you using over-excitable hyperbole for a problem that will probably be solved with a 2 minute phone call?

I'm banging my head on the desk here. Either you're on another planet or you're deliberately reading what I'm saying wrong.

If the school has no legal right to do what they're doing, someone who has a problem with it, should call them out on it.

Then why isn't the phone call being made instead of you arguing about it?!

I saw no problem, you did, now you're saying it's grand cos the problem can be solved with a phone call. What's to argue about then?!

Seriously I don't get this at all!

fishy fishy

MadsL wrote: »

And as I keep saying the only harm caused is a bit of irritation and as it turns out a delay in getting a passport to say what name my daughter intends to use as an adult.

I wasn't aware that being almost a bit cross and mostly irritated was such a terrible thing in Ireland. Shame on me.

thats you daughters problem - not the schools/

I'm done - god help you if you come across a real problem in life.

ballsymchugh

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

I'm banging my head on the desk here. Either you're on another planet or you're deliberately reading what I'm saying wrong.

If the school has no legal right to do what they're doing, someone who has a problem with it, should call them out on it.

Then why isn't the phone call being made instead of you arguing about it?!

I saw no problem, you did, now you're saying it's grand cos the problem can be solved with a phone call. What's to argue about then?! Seriously I don't get this at all!

+1000000000

laoch na mona

MadsL wrote: »

My daughter attends a second-level gaelscoil that insists on calling her by a translation of her actual name that sound similar to her actual name but is in fact a different Irish name. She hates it and has frequently resisted it by saying to her teacher 'that's not my name'. Her teachers continually 'correct' her if she asserts that her name is her name by repeating the translated name back to her.

Should she put up with this? What does AH think?

If she is in a gaelscoil then it makes sense seen as they wouldn't use English

MadsL wrote: »

Errm not posting her name online but a close comparison would be.if a boy were called John being called Eoin.

Eoin is not the Irish for John

SparkySpitfire

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So now we've gone from anybody airing a problem on boards having a life or death situation on their hands to anybody asking for advice on boards being told to just do something or other?
I think the OP was kinda asking what to do, ya know?

None of your posts are making any sense to me anymore

ballsymchugh

laoch na mona wrote: »

Eoin is not the Irish for John

yes it is.

or did everyone who called john paul 2 'eoin pól a dó' get it wrong for so many years?

SparkySpitfire

ballsymchugh wrote: »

yes it is.

Then what's Sean the Irish for?

Or are they both John?

the_monkey

MadsL wrote: »

My daughter attends a second-level gaelscoil that insists on calling her by a translation of her actual name that sound similar to her actual name but is in fact a different Irish name. She hates it and has frequently resisted it by saying to her teacher 'that's not my name'. Her teachers continually 'correct' her if she asserts that her name is her name by repeating the translated name back to her.

Should she put up with this? What does AH think?

Her name is her name , she should just ignore the teachers and insist on her proper name, I hate this fascist attitude with the Irish teachers - it's no wonder it's the most hated subject in schools in Ireland.

IRish language will soon be dead anyway - thank Christ!!

Cavehill Red

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Then what's the stance on the right to dye your hair, put on make up etc? These are often part off school policy too.

What's stopping you from bringing this issue of national importance to the lawmakers and making sure this kind of behavior never happens again?

Because I'm not affected by it. Neither me nor my child are referred to as anything other than our actual names. If someone in, for example, a school was to attempt to do so, I would correct them and ensure they addressed us correctly. I had to do so with the school when they got my surname wrong and they were happy to oblige and quick about it too.
Again, the issue of makeup or hair relates to a contract engaged with the school and the pupil/parent. It is not possible for a school to implement such a contract relating to someone's name, however, since that is an inalienable right, and hence they are not in a position to enforce their policy on the matter if challenged.
I do believe, though, that this thread has gone long past its sell-by date. It's patently obvious what is required - the OP needs to contact the school principal and inform them how they are to address his child in future. That will resolve the situation, and that is likely the only thing that will do so.

squod

bállsymchúgh wrote: »

yes it is.

Oh no it isn't etc.......

ballsymchugh

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Then what's Sean the Irish for? Or are they both John?

sean is the more the irish for jack.

shawn/shaun are anglicanisations of sean.

similarly diarmuid is irish for jeremiah, but anglicanised to dermot

colm was anglicanised to callum

caitlin to katelyn

etc

laoch na mona

ballsymchugh wrote: »

yes it is.

or did everyone who called john paul 2 'eoin pól a dó' get it wrong for so many years?

i always thought it was seán

but i never had cause to talk about the pope in irish:D

Dan_Solo

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

I'm banging my head on the desk here. Either you're on another planet or you're deliberately reading what I'm saying wrong.

If the school has no legal right to do what they're doing, someone who has a problem with it, should call them out on it.

Then why isn't the phone call being made instead of you arguing about it?!

I saw no problem, you did, now you're saying it's grand cos the problem can be solved with a phone call. What's to argue about then?! Seriously I don't get this at all!

Nope, what's happening here is that somebody's come on boards.ie to, shock horror, ask for advice on an issue and you're on a high horse hyperbole mission because that advice is being given. Now that the advice is given, maybe the OP will take it up, who knows?
You seem to be deeply confused as to what the process of asking and receiving advice is?

ballsymchugh

squod wrote: »

Oh no it isn't etc.......

enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for? i hold my hands up if i'm wrong.

the other spelling 'eoghan' is irish for eugene btw.

MadsL

fishy fishy wrote: »

funny in all of this

the OP won't actually say what the name is.....

You can get to fck if you think you can goad me into posting her name :eek: Asshat move on your part.

the op will not confirm if the passport and birth cert names are the same

I have. You just didn't read it.

the OP starting out saying the kid didn't like the name they were being called at school

TRUE

the OP starts going on about the kid wanting to change her OWN name on the passport

ALSO TRUE (problem?)

if the kids passport and birthcert are the same - it follows on that the kids tax numbers, medical records and any other legal form will be taken from this information. he's been told this time and time again on this form

yet the OP still wants to argue about a school calling the kid by her irish name in a gaelscoil

She needs two years of common usage to change the passport to her preferred adult name. This INCLUDES her school records.

at typlical "lay the blame on everyone else" attitude. A minor issue turned into nonsense because the OP would rather sit and rant and only give out "selective" information. God help us all if this is the new Ireland

You have a bit of foam on your chin. The issue is very simple. I'm not ranting, I'm explaining it to you whilst protecting my daughters privacy. You just do not want to try to understand the situation.

Dan_Solo

fishy fishy wrote: »

thats you daughters problem - not the schools/

I'm done - god help you if you come across a real problem in life.

Because boards.ie certainly won't, unless your problem is a crippling lack of hyperbole.

ibarelycare

OP you said you wanted to open this thread just to have a debate and that the situation doesn't really bother you, yet your staunchly defensive posts (and overuse of the rolleyes smiley) suggest otherwise.

The bottom line is, your daughter is in school. Yes, it is good to learn to fight your own battles, and be independent, but if she's being like that with her teachers she is going to be known as cheeky and disruptive. It's your place, as a parent, to step in and do something about the situation. You've argued that you're in another country...well your daughter's mother can do it then. You said your daughter doesn't want you fighting her battles...well tough, she's 14/15, she shouldn't get to dictate to you what she wants. If you know there is an issue that is bothering her then you should do something about it.

MadsL

fishy fishy wrote: »

thats you daughters problem - not the schools/

I'm done - god help you if you come across a real problem in life.

I actually think you are simply deliberately not reading my posts.

reprazant

MadsL wrote: »

She needs two years of common usage to change the passport to her preferred adult name. This INCLUDES her school records.

The school records are just one item of proof. It does not have to include the school records. She can use any of the items on the list. It does not need to be all of them. Hence the etc at the end of the list.

hoodwinked

ballsymchugh wrote: »

enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for? i hold my hands up if i'm wrong.

the other spelling 'eoghan' is irish for eugene btw.

eoin = owen

éoin means 'young man' and was a popular name in ancient Ireland.

ballsymchugh

ibarelycare wrote: »

OP you said you wanted to open this thread just to have a debate and that the situation doesn't really bother you, yet your staunchly defensive posts (and overuse of the rolleyes smiley) suggest otherwise.

The bottom line is, your daughter is in school. Yes, it is good to learn to fight your own battles, and be independent, but if she's being like that with her teachers she is going to be known as cheeky and disruptive. It's your place, as a parent, to step in and do something about the situation. You've argued that you're in another country...well your daughter's mother can do it then. You said your daughter doesn't want you fighting her battles...well tough, she's 14/15, she shouldn't get to dictate to you what she wants. If you know there is an issue that is bothering her then you should do something about it.

don't let common sense get in the way of a good old rant on the net!

ballsymchugh

hoodwinked wrote: »

eoin = owen

éoin means 'young man' and was a popular name in ancient Ireland.

thanks, i was of the opinion that owen was a welsh name that didn't have a direct english name.

MadsL

ibarelycare wrote: »

OP you said you wanted to open this thread just to have a debate and that the situation doesn't really bother you, yet your staunchly defensive posts (and overuse of the rolleyes smiley) suggest otherwise.

Sorry - wasn't clear that as the OP I was supposed to not have a point of view.

The bottom line is, your daughter is in school. Yes, it is good to learn to fight your own battles, and be independent, but if she's being like that with her teachers she is going to be known as cheeky and disruptive.

Being like what? She politely asks no to be called what some teachers call her. The teachers are full of praise for her behaviour and work ethic.

It's your place, as a parent, to step in and do something about the situation.

I will, if it upsets her. At the moment it is just an annoyance.

You've argued that you're in another country

I have explained why I can't pop in - not the same as arguing I'm in another country.

...well your daughter's mother can do it then. You said your daughter doesn't want you fighting her battles...well tough, she's 14/15, she shouldn't get to dictate to you what she wants.

Grand. I'll pick her friends too.
She's not dicatating anything - why are you blowing this up to be something it isn't?

If you know there is an issue that is bothering her then you should do something about it.

I do. I talk to her. She knows she has my support if she wants to make more of it, she doesn't.

ballsymchugh

MadsL wrote: »

I have explained why I can't pop in - not the same as arguing I'm in another country.

email the school??

conorhal

MadsL wrote: »

No. You got in there before me. Does it work?

If you would like a discussion please try reading my posts to see what they actually say rather than what you think they say.

I'm just pointing out that instead of having the basic common sense to tell your daughters that:
'A rose by any other name smells just as sweet', you're going to a gaelscoil, which has an ethos of total emersion in the language and culture of the country and addressing children by their Irish (or if there isn't an Irish direct translation, then an aproximate equivelent) name. It's part of the immersive experience. You should less concerned about the name a teacher gives you then the names people call you behind your back.

I'm also pointing out that self entitled footstamping about trivial matters is expected in teenagers and requires a bit of forebarence and patience, they inherently think life is 'unfair' and they are entitled to their own way, but it's a really unattractive trait in an adult. Perhaps you need to learn to suck it up and save your energy for the battles in life that matter, as an example to your kids

Cavehill Red

I guess we're done here then. Close thread. You know what to do and don't care to do it. What's to discuss?