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Being forced to use your "Irish" name at school

MadsL

My daughter attends a second-level gaelscoil that insists on calling her by a translation of her actual name that sound similar to her actual name but is in fact a different Irish name. She hates it and has frequently resisted it by saying to her teacher 'that's not my name'. Her teachers continually 'correct' her if she asserts that her name is her name by repeating the translated name back to her.

Should she put up with this? What does AH think?

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Dan_Solo

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

so as to confuse me

That seems to be the only constant on this thread.

hotmail.com

conorhal wrote: »

I'm just pointing out that instead of having the basic common sense to tell your daughters that:
'A rose by any other name smells just as sweet', you're going to a gaelscoil, which has an ethos of total emersion in the language and culture of the country and addressing children by their Irish (or if there isn't an Irish direct translation, then an aproximate equivelent) name. It's part of the immersive experience. You should less concerned about the name a teacher gives you then the names people call you behind your back.

I'm also pointing out that self entitled footstamping about trivial matters is expected in teenagers and requires a bit of forebarence and patience, they inherently think life is 'unfair' and they are entitled to their own way, but it's a really unattractive trait in an adult. Perhaps you need to learn to suck it up and save your energy for the battles in life that matter, as an example to your kids

They are calling the teenager by the wrong name!!!!

Tell the teachers where to go, I would not like to be called by a different name. Gaelscoil or not, it's irrelevant.

JuliusCaesar

Seachmall wrote: »

I don't think it makes sense to translate a name. Your name is your name regardless of language.

Seems pretentious to me, and I can see why it would be annoying.

Well, there's a massive historical example:

Pope Francesco is known in the English speaking world as Pope Francis.
Giovanni Paolo = John Paul

etc etc etc. There are actually linguistic equivalents of names, they just changed slightly in the local languages.

squod

bállsymchúgh wrote: »

enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for?

Using pantomime so I was. In short I dunno either. Seems to me though;

Eoin is Irish for Eoin. In equivalent terms you could substitute John for it if you were that way inclined. The two languages (Hebrew John & Irish Eoin) are about the same age like.

To answer your question go ask someone 3,000 years ago.

ballsymchugh

Cavehill Red wrote: »

I guess we're done here then. Close thread. You know what to do and don't care to do it. What's to discuss?

this is a MadsL thread. for some reason they don't close easy.

i'm out anyway.

SparkySpitfire

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Nope, what's happening here is that somebody's come on boards.ie to, shock horror, ask for advice on an issue and you're on a high horse hyperbole mission because that advice is being given. Now that the advice is given, maybe the OP will take it up, who knows?
You seem to be deeply confused as to what the process of asking and receiving advice is?

Nope, what's happening here is that somebody's come on boards.ie to, shock horror, ask for advice on an issue and you're on a human rights hyperbole mission because that advice is being given to get over it/make a phone call. Now that the advice is given, maybe the OP will take it up, who knows?
You seem to be deeply confused as to how to use the English language as your posts are disparate and badly worded so as to confuse me while charging around on your own high horse.

jasonmcco

Matt Simis wrote: »

Why is she in a Gaelscoil at all then? Im not on for them, but that seems part and parcel of the "deal". She/You should also find out what your actual Irish name is and not some reverse Anglicisation "sounds like" nonsense.

Your actual name is the name your parents gave you obviously and it is of no relevance where your name developed from. ridiculous comment.

Also wud you then agree that it wud be ok for an irish kid(Sean) in an english school to have to go by John. You wud not so kop on to yourselves.

Cavehill Red

I guess we're done here then. Close thread. You know what to do and don't care to do it. What's to discuss?

conorhal

MadsL wrote: »

No. You got in there before me. Does it work?

If you would like a discussion please try reading my posts to see what they actually say rather than what you think they say.

I'm just pointing out that instead of having the basic common sense to tell your daughters that:
'A rose by any other name smells just as sweet', you're going to a gaelscoil, which has an ethos of total emersion in the language and culture of the country and addressing children by their Irish (or if there isn't an Irish direct translation, then an aproximate equivelent) name. It's part of the immersive experience. You should less concerned about the name a teacher gives you then the names people call you behind your back.

I'm also pointing out that self entitled footstamping about trivial matters is expected in teenagers and requires a bit of forebarence and patience, they inherently think life is 'unfair' and they are entitled to their own way, but it's a really unattractive trait in an adult. Perhaps you need to learn to suck it up and save your energy for the battles in life that matter, as an example to your kids

ballsymchugh

MadsL wrote: »

I have explained why I can't pop in - not the same as arguing I'm in another country.

email the school??

MadsL

ibarelycare wrote: »

OP you said you wanted to open this thread just to have a debate and that the situation doesn't really bother you, yet your staunchly defensive posts (and overuse of the rolleyes smiley) suggest otherwise.

Sorry - wasn't clear that as the OP I was supposed to not have a point of view.

The bottom line is, your daughter is in school. Yes, it is good to learn to fight your own battles, and be independent, but if she's being like that with her teachers she is going to be known as cheeky and disruptive.

Being like what? She politely asks no to be called what some teachers call her. The teachers are full of praise for her behaviour and work ethic.

It's your place, as a parent, to step in and do something about the situation.

I will, if it upsets her. At the moment it is just an annoyance.

You've argued that you're in another country

I have explained why I can't pop in - not the same as arguing I'm in another country.

...well your daughter's mother can do it then. You said your daughter doesn't want you fighting her battles...well tough, she's 14/15, she shouldn't get to dictate to you what she wants.

Grand. I'll pick her friends too.
She's not dicatating anything - why are you blowing this up to be something it isn't?

If you know there is an issue that is bothering her then you should do something about it.

I do. I talk to her. She knows she has my support if she wants to make more of it, she doesn't.

ballsymchugh

hoodwinked wrote: »

eoin = owen

éoin means 'young man' and was a popular name in ancient Ireland.

thanks, i was of the opinion that owen was a welsh name that didn't have a direct english name.

ballsymchugh

ibarelycare wrote: »

OP you said you wanted to open this thread just to have a debate and that the situation doesn't really bother you, yet your staunchly defensive posts (and overuse of the rolleyes smiley) suggest otherwise.

The bottom line is, your daughter is in school. Yes, it is good to learn to fight your own battles, and be independent, but if she's being like that with her teachers she is going to be known as cheeky and disruptive. It's your place, as a parent, to step in and do something about the situation. You've argued that you're in another country...well your daughter's mother can do it then. You said your daughter doesn't want you fighting her battles...well tough, she's 14/15, she shouldn't get to dictate to you what she wants. If you know there is an issue that is bothering her then you should do something about it.

don't let common sense get in the way of a good old rant on the net!

hoodwinked

ballsymchugh wrote: »

enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for? i hold my hands up if i'm wrong.

the other spelling 'eoghan' is irish for eugene btw.

eoin = owen

éoin means 'young man' and was a popular name in ancient Ireland.

reprazant

MadsL wrote: »

She needs two years of common usage to change the passport to her preferred adult name. This INCLUDES her school records.

The school records are just one item of proof. It does not have to include the school records. She can use any of the items on the list. It does not need to be all of them. Hence the etc at the end of the list.

MadsL

fishy fishy wrote: »

thats you daughters problem - not the schools/

I'm done - god help you if you come across a real problem in life.

I actually think you are simply deliberately not reading my posts.

ibarelycare

OP you said you wanted to open this thread just to have a debate and that the situation doesn't really bother you, yet your staunchly defensive posts (and overuse of the rolleyes smiley) suggest otherwise.

The bottom line is, your daughter is in school. Yes, it is good to learn to fight your own battles, and be independent, but if she's being like that with her teachers she is going to be known as cheeky and disruptive. It's your place, as a parent, to step in and do something about the situation. You've argued that you're in another country...well your daughter's mother can do it then. You said your daughter doesn't want you fighting her battles...well tough, she's 14/15, she shouldn't get to dictate to you what she wants. If you know there is an issue that is bothering her then you should do something about it.

Dan_Solo

fishy fishy wrote: »

thats you daughters problem - not the schools/

I'm done - god help you if you come across a real problem in life.

Because boards.ie certainly won't, unless your problem is a crippling lack of hyperbole.

MadsL

fishy fishy wrote: »

funny in all of this

the OP won't actually say what the name is.....

You can get to fck if you think you can goad me into posting her name :eek: Asshat move on your part.

the op will not confirm if the passport and birth cert names are the same

I have. You just didn't read it.

the OP starting out saying the kid didn't like the name they were being called at school

TRUE

the OP starts going on about the kid wanting to change her OWN name on the passport

ALSO TRUE (problem?)

if the kids passport and birthcert are the same - it follows on that the kids tax numbers, medical records and any other legal form will be taken from this information. he's been told this time and time again on this form

yet the OP still wants to argue about a school calling the kid by her irish name in a gaelscoil

She needs two years of common usage to change the passport to her preferred adult name. This INCLUDES her school records.

at typlical "lay the blame on everyone else" attitude. A minor issue turned into nonsense because the OP would rather sit and rant and only give out "selective" information. God help us all if this is the new Ireland

You have a bit of foam on your chin. The issue is very simple. I'm not ranting, I'm explaining it to you whilst protecting my daughters privacy. You just do not want to try to understand the situation.

ballsymchugh

squod wrote: »

Oh no it isn't etc.......

enlighten me then, what is eoin the irish for? i hold my hands up if i'm wrong.

the other spelling 'eoghan' is irish for eugene btw.

Dan_Solo

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

I'm banging my head on the desk here. Either you're on another planet or you're deliberately reading what I'm saying wrong.

If the school has no legal right to do what they're doing, someone who has a problem with it, should call them out on it.

Then why isn't the phone call being made instead of you arguing about it?!

I saw no problem, you did, now you're saying it's grand cos the problem can be solved with a phone call. What's to argue about then?! Seriously I don't get this at all!

Nope, what's happening here is that somebody's come on boards.ie to, shock horror, ask for advice on an issue and you're on a high horse hyperbole mission because that advice is being given. Now that the advice is given, maybe the OP will take it up, who knows?
You seem to be deeply confused as to what the process of asking and receiving advice is?

laoch na mona

ballsymchugh wrote: »

yes it is.

or did everyone who called john paul 2 'eoin pól a dó' get it wrong for so many years?

i always thought it was seán

but i never had cause to talk about the pope in irish:D

ballsymchugh

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Then what's Sean the Irish for? Or are they both John?

sean is the more the irish for jack.

shawn/shaun are anglicanisations of sean.

similarly diarmuid is irish for jeremiah, but anglicanised to dermot

colm was anglicanised to callum

caitlin to katelyn

etc

squod

bállsymchúgh wrote: »

yes it is.

Oh no it isn't etc.......

Cavehill Red

SparkySpitfire wrote: »

Then what's the stance on the right to dye your hair, put on make up etc? These are often part off school policy too.

What's stopping you from bringing this issue of national importance to the lawmakers and making sure this kind of behavior never happens again?

Because I'm not affected by it. Neither me nor my child are referred to as anything other than our actual names. If someone in, for example, a school was to attempt to do so, I would correct them and ensure they addressed us correctly. I had to do so with the school when they got my surname wrong and they were happy to oblige and quick about it too.
Again, the issue of makeup or hair relates to a contract engaged with the school and the pupil/parent. It is not possible for a school to implement such a contract relating to someone's name, however, since that is an inalienable right, and hence they are not in a position to enforce their policy on the matter if challenged.
I do believe, though, that this thread has gone long past its sell-by date. It's patently obvious what is required - the OP needs to contact the school principal and inform them how they are to address his child in future. That will resolve the situation, and that is likely the only thing that will do so.

the_monkey

MadsL wrote: »

My daughter attends a second-level gaelscoil that insists on calling her by a translation of her actual name that sound similar to her actual name but is in fact a different Irish name. She hates it and has frequently resisted it by saying to her teacher 'that's not my name'. Her teachers continually 'correct' her if she asserts that her name is her name by repeating the translated name back to her.

Should she put up with this? What does AH think?

Her name is her name , she should just ignore the teachers and insist on her proper name, I hate this fascist attitude with the Irish teachers - it's no wonder it's the most hated subject in schools in Ireland.

IRish language will soon be dead anyway - thank Christ!!

SparkySpitfire

ballsymchugh wrote: »

yes it is.

Then what's Sean the Irish for?

Or are they both John?

ballsymchugh

laoch na mona wrote: »

Eoin is not the Irish for John

yes it is.

or did everyone who called john paul 2 'eoin pól a dó' get it wrong for so many years?

SparkySpitfire

Dan_Solo wrote: »

So now we've gone from anybody airing a problem on boards having a life or death situation on their hands to anybody asking for advice on boards being told to just do something or other?
I think the OP was kinda asking what to do, ya know?

None of your posts are making any sense to me anymore

laoch na mona

MadsL wrote: »

My daughter attends a second-level gaelscoil that insists on calling her by a translation of her actual name that sound similar to her actual name but is in fact a different Irish name. She hates it and has frequently resisted it by saying to her teacher 'that's not my name'. Her teachers continually 'correct' her if she asserts that her name is her name by repeating the translated name back to her.

Should she put up with this? What does AH think?

If she is in a gaelscoil then it makes sense seen as they wouldn't use English

MadsL wrote: »

Errm not posting her name online but a close comparison would be.if a boy were called John being called Eoin.

Eoin is not the Irish for John