MadsL wrote: » Two years. She has tried and tried. All the documentation that the school have is in her "translated" name. I suspect this may cause future problems with emigration. Her passport also has an additional surname.
MadsL wrote: » I was being somewhat facitious about fraud. However, please address why a school should have the power to change a name without consent?
MadsL wrote: » Utter bollox. Her name is what is recorded on her birth cert, it doesn't need "correcting". Are you seriously suggesting all children need a "correct" Irish name as well??? Or have named her Emma. FFS!! Buck the system? What system?? There is no system about names, just some asshat tradition. I'm not planning revolution here - just asking for all of the teachers not just some to exercise a tiny tiny courtesy, for which she has asked politely. No, I am clearly not. Neither is my daughter. Some of her teachers on the other hand are simply being rude to her and she dislikes it. Wouldn't call it a mountain nor a molehill. At the moment it is a minor annoyance. But to some posters here she doesn't deserve a education through Irish for criticising it in a small way. Christ, I had no idea starting a thread on boards could compromise an education. Some responders seem to have a compromised education however and have lost the ability to read. Agreeing with my daughters irritation is 'compromising her education'. Wow. Noted. Now read back and actually comprehend my opinion and (in)action so far.
reprazant wrote: » This thread is a perfect example of the modern need to be offended over nothing. Claiming fraud and the illegality of it. Talk of hysteria. Ring into liveline - this would be right up his alley.
mitosis wrote: » OP, you need to reign in a little. Irish is given recognition by the Constitution as the national and first official language of the Republic of Ireland (with English being a second official language). So, effectively, the correct form of your child's name is the Irish form. If you want to buck the system you should not send her to an Irish school.
mitosis wrote: » So, in your OP you asked "What does AH think?" Why ask if you don't want to be answered? Or are you only interested in replies that support your opinion?
VinLieger wrote: » So what you are saying here is that because Irish is the first language in the constitution that means every singles persons names which are legally printed on their birth certs, driving licences, tax forms, and any other form of official government form or record in English are all wrong and we should have been using the Irish version which is the correct form? Effectively the vast majority of the irish population has been in cahoots for seven decades or so to commit the greatest combined effort of fraud this planet has most likely ever seen so we simply dont have to use the irish translations of the names our parents gave us. Oooh that was fun
robinph wrote: » Someones name does not change just because of what language you are speaking in though. If a Richard and Ricardo met in a pub they would merely comment of the curiosity of having different versions of the same name, but one would still be called Richard and the other Ricardo regardless of where the pub they were having a pint in was located or what language they happened to be chatting in.
MadsL wrote: » Yeah, all it needs now is for someone to be offended about people getting offended...oh hi! Let me try once more to spell out (for the 100th fckng time) this is a thread about someone getting irritated. It may disappoint your sense of how outraged you are by my outrage which is in the a bit ticked off kinda scale, but lets talk about it anyway. Sorry about that. There's probably a thread about a safe somewhere if you have a good root about.
fishy fishy wrote: » baloney. it won't affect her passport unless she filled the details out herself incorrectly. There are plenty of people, thousands, tens of thousands who went through school in Ireland having their names changed to Irish - it didn't affect anyone once they left.
Why on earth is she in A Gaelscoil if you have a problem with them dialecting in Irish. Self made problem if you ask me.
Leroy42 wrote: » But surely a name is just a name, there is no translation to a name. There is an equivalent approximation in another language, but that is not the persons name. Many people from other countries take a different name when dealing with society at large as it makes it easier for others, but that is not their name. It is simply because many people are too lazy to learn the persons name properly and instead of having to repeat it ad nauseum, they simply take the simpler route of selecting a more indigenous name, so Zygimantas becomes Zigi. However, unless the person selects that course themselves I think it is the height of bad manners and disrespect to assert that a person take a new name. While the child is indeed in an Irish speaking school when the Nuacht reads out a persons name, say David Cameron, they don't change his name, why is it different in this case?
hoodwinked wrote: » no they are saying in Ireland the English version = irish version of your name. they are the same you can use one, or both or none if you want to go like prince. either way her school is using version b, she wants version a. and she shouldn't have been enrolled in a school that uses version b if this was an issue for her or her parents.
hoodwinked wrote: » no they are saying in Ireland the English version = irish version of your name.
they are the same you can use one, or both or none if you want to go like prince.
either way her school is using version b, she wants version a. and she shouldn't have been enrolled in a school that uses version b if this was an issue for her or her parents.
VinLieger wrote: » Thats not what the post i quoted was saying at all, it specifically mentioned that because irish is the first language in the constitution therefore the irish translation of your name is the correct version. Also the simple fact that not every name can be translated correctly into irish proves the point that translating names is a ridiculous practice. It is never a direct translation and i believe that is the problem here the child disagrees with being called something she considers not to be her name due to the inaccuracy of translating names
MadsL wrote: » She needs to show common usage for two years to change a passport name. Her school has changed her name to a new (Irish) First Name and Surname She wants to use her Birth First Name and (Irish) Surname. Passport will not be changed until she leaves school + 2 years. Problem? It is just rudeness. Where did I say I had a problem, or my daughter has a problem, with speaking Irish, she's been speaking it since she was six!!
fishy fishy wrote: » because the child OR the parents CHOSE the Irish speaking school - thats the difference.
MadsL wrote: » Is it luck of the draw? Should they not translate every name? She has a Hebrew name that long ago had some sort of Irish version. It is not her name, nor anything like the Hebrew version. It is not even pronounced the same as the Irish version. Yet it is forced on her, but not on the Emma's in the class. She'd happily use her Irish surname - school insist on both. Funny how people change over time.
hoodwinked wrote: » she want her birth cert version used. in a school which will use the irish equivalent of your name... eg: birth cert = Sinead, school = Sinead birth cert = sarah, school = sorcha
if she wanted to be addressed by the english version go to a school that will do that, don't choose a school and then give out about what they do after the fact.
MadsL wrote: » She would prefer Given Birth First Name + Irish translated surname. This respects the language and allows her a "personality" in her name rather than just another common first name. What is wrong with that? What kind of idiot would I be to turn down a place at a great school because they inconsistently sometimes try to change pupils names. Some pupils accept it. some resist it, some teachers accept the kids wishes others are rude feckers and make an issue out of it.
hoodwinked wrote: » she want her birth cert version used. in a school which will use the irish equivalent of your name... eg: birth cert = Sinead, school = Sinead birth cert = sarah, school = sorcha if she wanted to be addressed by the english version go to a school that will do that, don't choose a school and then give out about what they do after the fact.
HondaSami wrote: » OP this name is just used while she is in school, correct? it will not make any difference to her once she leaves. I know a few people who have passports, d/lic in Irish names, was it not common for Irish people to get an Irish version of their passport for travelling to America?
MadsL wrote: » I am beginning to be concerned that if/when she applies for a US Green card it will be a nightmare with the FOUR different versions of her name floating around on various bits of documentation. Bit absurd at this stage.
