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Miserable Ryanair strike again.

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Thats right folks Ryanair the airline everyone loves to fly with but yet everyone loves to abuse is at it again, this time its their staff that are on the recieving end!
http://www.breakingnews.ie/business/ryanair-cabin-crew-to-get-10-pay-rise-589308.html

Don't you just hate them:D

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Fattes

Long may it remain so. In other words: keep O'Leary's greasy hands off Aer Lingus.

Are you Aer Lingus cabin crew? All the shamrock is, is Ryanair light at this stage, had a crew member from Aer Lingus tell me to shove it and fly Swiss if they were so much better. I have had return flights every week since Dec with Swiss/Luft and I will not be returning to Aer Lingus. Mr O'Leary would do a great job of showing Aer Lingus staff the real world.

token101

Ryanair is grand other than their planes. If you're over 6 foot you're going to have an uncomfortable few hours.

FatherTed

Gone Drinking wrote: »

If you were ever stupid enough to get charged one of ryanairs massive fees for not following the rules, its your own fault.

All I've ever gotten from the company was cheap and on time flights.

And for the "unhelpful staff" that people complain about.. what, because they don't put on a really fake smile and keep asking you "are you ok sir?"

I don't get the ryanair bashers at all

Flying from BVA to DUB last year, I prepaid to check in our bags. My son had a penny skate board, he wanted to carry it on. I asked the girl at the check-in desk if we could carry it on or if I should add put it inside one of the suitcases we were checking in. She says no problem to carry it on. Get to the gate and there they say I needed to check it in. I asked them to check with the check-in girl and she confirmed it but now I had to pay 60 euros. Any other place would have said, our skrew up, no need to pay. But not Ryan Air.

[Deleted User]

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Funnily enough, they're not, they are quite well paid actually.:)

I thought Ryanair cabin crew earned about 1200 euros a month. Hardly well paid, especially given the hours and shifts they have to do.

RasTa

Snickers Man wrote: »

I never paid 250 quid to fly to London from Dublin and I've been doing it since the early 1980s. Don't believe all the bull****.

My daughter had to pay way over 200 quid a while back for the same trip with Ryanair. Partly her own fault. But what a stinging fee to hit people with for a simple misunderstanding.

I choose NOT to fly with them wherever possible. (putting my money where my mouth is). And in keeping with the spirit of the poster who pointed out that it's an open market and we have the choice to use them or not.

Long may it remain so. In other words: keep O'Leary's greasy hands off Aer Lingus.

Why is it always people with kids or the old fogies who hate Ryanair? Please tell us this simple misunderstanding then...

DazMarz

Yeah, obviously they're not about comfort. But can you fly to somewhere for 20 quid with any other airline? My ass.

You know what you're getting with Ryanair. They're the Ronseal of the skies; does exactly what it says on the tin. They don't pretend to be anything other than a low-fares, no-frills airline.

They are the best thing for the aviation industry in Europe; they will drive fares down and make the overcharging airlines go down.

They are one of the few companies that is expanding constantly and it is due to the fact that they are well run and that they use the old adage of "There is no such thing as bad publicity" to their full advantage.

belcampprisoner

http://www.cabincrew.com/forums/warnings-about-working-for-ryanair/180394/1

RayCon

Going Dublin to Berlin (roundtrip) at the start of June for 3 days ...

Aer Lingus : €299
Ryanair : €149

no brainer.

Dwork

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Good for the crew, because I believe they're currently paid buttons. I'm sure they've more than earned it.

err, it's Ryanair. That means the 10% pay rise comes with strings attached. Theres always strings. Probably a compulsory donation of 12% of their salary to the Ryanair benevolent fund for buying Boeings. Or 40% longer working hours. Theres always strings, you know theres strings here.

Steve O

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Funnily enough, they're not, they are quite well paid actually.:)

Like the guards.

ProudDUB

Snickers Man wrote: »

I never paid 250 quid to fly to London from Dublin and I've been doing it since the early 1980s. Don't believe all the bull****.

It's not bull$hit. My father worked at Dublin Airport for 30 odd years. He worked for the old Aer Rianta semi state body, the fore runner to todays Dublin Airport Authority. My dad got heavily discounted tickets on Aer Lingus, not the mega cheapo fare that Aer Lingus staff got, but pretty damm sweet deals all the same. A lot of people in our housing estate were airport workers too and would have gotten deeply discounted staff travel too.

Even with those discounts of up to 50% off, my dad still couldn't take a family of 6 away for regular holidays. The fares on Aer Lingus back then were so INSANELY expensive, none but the richest people in the country could afford them on a regular basis. We certainly couldn't, and nor could our neighbours.

Contrast that to the ease and cheapness that Ryanair offer to travelers today, and it is night and day imo. Back in the pre Ryanair days, coughing up the crazy money that Aer Lingus wanted for fares may have been doable for a single person with a decent job or no ties and commitments. It certainly wasn't for someone with a mortgage and kids.

Yamanoto

ProudDUB wrote: »

Agree 100%. I flew from Dublin to Brussels for 42 euros round trip...The two taxis to and from the airport cost me 47 euros.

Do you mean Charleroi PD?

If so, those Taxi fares seem lower than I would have expected.

homerjay2005

Mr_Spaceman wrote: »

Every time I hear that f-cking trumpet jingle on their flights I want to kill myself.

so your not happy your flights are on time? i couldnt give a f*ck what they play as long as i get to my destination cheaply, on time and safely and ryanair tick those 3 boxes.

Cookie_Monster

and don't forget it's also pretty much the safest airline in the world.
Given the passenger km it does these days that is also incredibly impressive that they have never had a fatality or crash (some minor incidents aside)

ProudDUB

Yamanoto wrote: »

Do you mean Charleroi PD?

If so, those Taxi fares seem lower than I would have expected.

Yep, Charleroi. Flights alone were 35.99 @17.99 euros each way. Fees and what not bumped it up to 42/44 euros or thereabouts.

The taxi fares I referred to were from/to Sutton in Dublin to/from Dublin Airport. I didn't get a taxi to/from Charleroi Airport to Brussels Central. I tookthe airport shuttle bus. That cost 20 quid, or thereabouts. I wasn't all that bothered about paying it to be honest. The fare to fly into the main Brussels airport on Aer Lingus was over 120 euros more and I still would have had to have paid something similar to get from Brussels International to Brussels Central.

Snickers Man

Cienciano wrote: »

Take inflation and the price of the punt into account, and by todays standard you would have easily paid €200 to fly to london.

You COULD but you didn't have to. That was my point.

And you CAN pay €200 plus nowadays. Even with Ryanair. Yes, it can be partly your own fault if you do something silly like forget to check in more than four hours before departing (which accounted for the first €100 my daughter had to shell out that time) but my point is I don't like doing business with people who seem deliberately to try to catch you out.

Which is currently my choice.

Cienciano wrote: »

I flew to yorkshire for €20, flew to Barcelona for €55 (including all taxes and charges), not a hope you would have got that back in the 80's or 90's. Maybe if you went on standby and didn't mind what city you went to. But make no mistake, flying now is a fraction of the price is was in the 80's and 90's.

So are many things. Like telephone calls. Computers. Mobile phones. Remember when they cost about a grand? There are perfectly valid reasons for all this, largely based on the commoditisation of maturing technology. Which is the principal reason for reduced air travel. Cheaper radar, improved communications, maturing aircraft technology. The ability to control more air traffic to more out of the way places. It is the natural order of things that technologically advanced services become cheaper over time. And more available.

It's no reason to put up with Ryanair's boorishness. So I don't. Wherever possible.

seanl77

Ive always found ryanair staff to be just as friendly as any other airline to be honest, i think some people expect a standing ovation when they board a plane! If you are paying a pittance for a flight, you cant expect business class luxury.........

cloud493

I love ryanair. Book in advance, I can get my annual trips to Liverpool for less than £30 both ways. For that price I will accept sitting in a cramped seat for 30 minutes.

AlekSmart

Nimrod 7 wrote: »

All of their flight and cabin crew are provided by an agency called Brookfield Aviation, they would still get the pay rise..
All cabin crew and pilots in some bases gets the new allowances and pay increases.

Here's an Independent article

There are two points in the article which jump out at me....

There are over 2,400 pilots working for the airline and 5,200 flight attendants.

7,600 front-line staff.....?

That is one impressive statistic for an airline operating a fleet of Irish Registered aircraft.

Perhaps somebody knowledgable could advise as to what the registration and allied charges are in Ireland for a Boeing 737-800 ?

The second,and potentially more concerning point is....

Productivity-based incentive payments accounted for about 47pc of an average flight attendant's total earnings at Ryanair last year and 37pc of the typical pilot's compensation.

We,as passengers,know all about the Cabin Crews incentive led flogging of various promotional stuff,however I have never found it overly intrusive and have never been hounded in the manner of a Sky TV subscription campaign.

What does concern me as a Ryanair customer is that level of incentivization on a Pilots "compensation".

I believe 37%,if accurate,is an excessive level of dependence on performance related incentive payments,given the highly unique nature of the Flight Crew's function.

I am aware that much of this is in the area of Fuel usage and turnaround times,but I would be more comfortable with knowing that a Flight Crew on my Ryanair flight were fully focused on that flight alone,rather than any possible means of maintaining or improving their "Incentive" payments.

But,it's not my Airline,and those staff numbers tell a somewhat different story to the accepted Ryanair=North KoreanAir comparisons being constantly flogged to death by certain media outlets.

If I were to be retained as a Consultant by Micheal O Leary,I'd suggest that he keeps an eye on those "Busdrivers" of his,as they literally keep his operation in the air !!!

ShooterSF

The only airline Ive ever managed a return trip to Liverpool for €2 (including taxes and charges) before the gubberment had to stick in it's leaving the country tax.

Daisy M

I paid 150 sterling in the early 90s for return flights from London to Ireland. My weeks wages were less than 150 sterling before tax so it was a hefty fare.

I book the cheapest flights available for the time I am going, I have never found any other airline to be cheaper than Ryanair.

April O Neill

homerjay2005 wrote: »

so your not happy your flights are on time?

They're "on time" because they overestimate the journey time deliberately.

And their determination to be on time sometimes causes them to take off for the destination airport that's not even an hour away knowing its shrouded in heavy fog, instead of waiting a while to see if it lifts. Then when the fog remains, a diversion to an airport 200 miles away happens. Talking from experience here.

I'm not trying to sound too complainy though, I like how I can get places cheaply. Just don't be fooled by the "on time" BS.

brian ireland

Flying to Europe in the next few week. Booked it in Jan, Aer lingus €350. Ryan Air €105. I will get what I paid for!!!

jonnny68

The biggest myth going is people saying Ryanair are always the cheapest, utter nonsense, i fly every other week unfortunately mostly with FR as they are the only airline that fly to my destination but i also use other airlines particularly when flying to London and the last 3 flights I've booked have been with aer lingus simply because they were cheaper than FR to Gatwick, very rarely will you come across €25 flights with FR these days, well maybe if you depart at 06.30 on Tuesday morning if you are lucky.

I grin and bear flying with this despicable airline, i concede they are relatively cheap but certainly not to the extent some people try and make out.

jsd1004

April O Neill wrote: »

They're "on time" because they overestimate the journey time deliberately. And their determination to be on time sometimes causes them to take off for the destination airport that's not even an hour away knowing its shrouded in heavy fog, instead of waiting a while to see if it lifts. Then when the fog remains, a diversion to an airport 200 miles away happens. Talking from experience here.

I'm not trying to sound too complainy though, I like how I can get places cheaply. Just don't be fooled by the "on time" BS.

What a load of bull. They give you a journey time and arrive at that time. That is not an over or underestimate of the time. The last two flights i had with AL were 2 hours late each. It is much worse to underestimate than overestimate an arrival time. And im talking from experience here..i have a flight booked shannon malaga for Tuesday. 49 euro all in and i know my departure time and arrival time. I would not even look at AL and i only booked 2 days ago.

April O Neill

jsd1004 wrote: »

What a load of bull.

Not at all. For example, the quoted travel time from Dublin to Manchester is given as one hour. It doesn't take one hour.

On the flight I was on that had to divert due to fog, other airlines going from the same airport as I to the same destination waited until notice had been given that the fog had cleared. This would have been the sensible thing to do.

Why were AL delayed? Was there a good reason? There may have been. Did you bother to find out why or just get pissed off?

Ryanair are known for their quick turnarounds, but it's not always a good idea. And it's one of the reasons they land at steeper angles. It's quicker. The crew are under serious pressure to turn around in 30 mins. As a slightly nervous flyer, that makes me a bit antsy. And even taking into account quick turnarounds, they still overestimate flight times. Those AL flights might have been delayed, but that's different to flight time. Once in the air, the flight likely took the quoted amount of time. Ryanair flights get delayed too, ya know!

stone_cutter

its a bit of a myth that they are always the cheapest but whats also a myth is that their service is rubbish , i bought ham and cheese sandwiches on board the last time i flew with them and they went down nicely

admiralofthefleet

i have flown with them loads of times and they were always excellent

JustAThought

Im the early 90's when a generation emigrated to the UK, the cheapest ticket you could buy was an Apex Aer Lingus fare - this cost two hundred and sixty old pounds - IF you could get one, and only a limited number were released, and you could only buy them two weeks before the flight. If you didn't get one then it was the standard six or more hundred punts fare.

If you never paid the Apex fare my guess is you work for Aer Lingus.

Ryan air broke the back of the monopoly and opened cheep and reliable flying.

I NEVER use Aer Lingus for connecting flights or for business's trips anymore and use Ryanair by preference. Aer Lingus will consistently book flights and then cancel one & leave you hanging around for hours waiting for the next one to " fill" it up. I've missed too many connections and spent too many hours hanging around terminals for wasted hours to ever risk an Aer Mingus flight again.

Not to mention the obvious . Read the conditions and play by the rules and you will get cheep, reliable ,dependable Ryanair service .

Note - last year when I had to fly Aer Mingus ex Boston the marching thugs that masqueraded as Aer " hostesses" spent the first five minutes of their " welcome" shouting over the PA that they were not there to serve us but to provide Air safety, and we ( customers) were not to disturb them because they were busy. Un-f'ing-believable. And they were totally oblivious to the gasps of disgust and disbelief that filled the cabin at that.

Roll on Ryanair victory over the Atlantic.
Aer Lingus - E4000 home for Christmas from Boston - that's Still Aer and yet they can still " afford" to roll their almost free and standby Flights for their staff, their stff buddy friends and their families .

Can't wait til Ryanair are running transatlantic flights. Might see some extended family and friends at actual Christmastime for a change instead of late January or February.

Yamanoto

JustAThought wrote: »

I NEVER use Aer Lingus for connecting flights or for business's trips anymore and use Ryanair by preference.

The FR model and route network appear well suited to your requirements. That wouldn't be the case for most business travellers in my experience. For those requiring direct services to the major hubs & cities across the EU and beyond, only full service carriers can provide the range of classes, ticketing flexibility, capacity, connection options and transferable member benefits which business travellers typically tend to favour.