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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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Just thought I'd make a thread on Cork GAA seeing as noone else has made one already. Feel free to talk about anything about Cork GAA, especially hurling and especially the Senior Hurling Championship.

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Thinkstoomuch

Joe Brolly gave a great interview in the Examiner today.He said Cork have the best collection of footballers in the Country.They have at least 8 players that are better than any other team and if they had a constructive half back line,a centre back who could play as a quarter back they would win the All Ireland.He said Cork have the players to play any game plan and Cork have two of the best 3 forwards in Ireland, in Sheehan, and O Neill(interview was prior to he's injury).Michael Murphy was the third.He was right,it is such a shame that it was wasted the last two years by CC.
Hopefully with the new style even with O Neill out they will win another all ireland.CC should leave the tactics to Mccarthy,Cuthbert etc.

teednab-el

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

The Cork Senior Hurling team to play Galway on Sunday at 2.30 is:
1. Anthony Nash Kanturk
2. Shane O'Neill Bishospstown
3. Brian Murphy Bride Rovers
4. Conor O'Sullivan Sarsfields
5. Christopher Joyce Na Piarsaigh
6. Pa Cronin Bishopstown
7. Willam Egan Kilbrin
8. Lorchan Mcloughlin Kanturk
9. Daniel Kearney Sarsfields
10. Cian McCarthy Sarsfields
11. Paudie O'Sullivan Cloyne
12. Seamus Harnedy St Itas
13. Stephen Moylan Douglas
14. Peter O Brien Kildorrery
15. Patrick Horgan Glen Rovers
Subs
Darren McCarthy Ballymartle
Cathal Naughton Newtownshandrum
Kilian Murphy Erins Own
Mark Ellis Milstreet
Stephen White Ballygarvan
Michael Walsh Kildorrery
Tom Kenny Grenagh
Conor Lehane Midleton
Luke O Farell Midleton

Brilliant its Galway we face. Hopefully we can show them how to play hurling and give them a hiding. We just need to keep Canning quiet and job will be done. More important games to be worrying about down the line, Kilkenny will show us the level we are at/need to be at.

Thinkstoomuch

keane2097 wrote: »

The main rule I want introduced at congress is that managers posting dummy teams be murdered.

Unforunately this rule,motion 49 didnt get the 2/3 vote it needed and was not passed.Im Sure Counihan is delighted with the news.

willietherock

I'm hearing Cussen is about to be unleashed on Galway tomorrow.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SqC_m3yUDU

zetecescort

teednab-el wrote: »

Brilliant its Galway we face. Hopefully we can show them how to play hurling and give them a hiding. We just need to keep Canning quiet and job will be done. More important games to be worrying about down the line, Kilkenny will show us the level we are at/need to be at.

living under a rock last August? if we line out as selected we are in big trouble. Cronin is a fine hurler but not related to a centre back. we got the run around from Clare last week and Galway are another step up

darragh_haven

Back from the U21a west cork semi final. Castlehaven 1-18 Bandon 1-12. Some good football in the conditions. A cutting bitch of a wind and driving rain. A good all round performance from haven, but Brian Hurley was brilliant I think he scored 1-11. And he scored 14 points last week (7 from play).

teednab-el

zetecescort wrote: »

living under a rock last August? if we line out as selected we are in big trouble. Cronin is a fine hurler but not related to a centre back. we got the run around from Clare last week and Galway are another step up

Galway were one of the favourites to win All Ireland last year, even-though, I knew they wouldn't come within an asses roar of Liam McCarthy. Cork were rebuilding last year and nearly beat Galway that day funny enough. Galway are a sunshine team and when things go well they play, but if you upset their plans like Kilkenny did in All Ireland replay last year, they are extremely limited. They become exposed time and time again. Once Cork play with any bit of their normal brilliance we will take Galway.

Thinkstoomuch

darragh_haven wrote: »

Back from the U21a west cork semi final. Castlehaven 1-18 Bandon 1-12. Some good football in the conditions. A cutting bitch of a wind and driving rain. A good all round performance from haven, but Brian Hurley was brilliant I think he scored 1-11. And he scored 14 points last week (7 from play).

Great scoring and with Limerick up next wednesday in the 21s it is great to see him on fire.Surely deserves a call up to the Senior panel when the the U21s are finished with the injuries problems at the moment.I think even if he did not feature on match days even training and getting accustomed with the Senior set up would be of great benefit to him.He is a Future Cork player in the making .A superb talent.

Thinkstoomuch

teednab-el wrote: »

Galway were one of the favourites to win All Ireland last year, even-though, I knew they wouldn't come within an asses roar of Liam McCarthy. Cork were rebuilding last year and nearly beat Galway that day funny enough. Galway are a sunshine team and when things go well they play, but if you upset their plans like Kilkenny did in All Ireland replay last year, they are extremely limited. They become exposed time and time again. Once Cork play with any bit of their normal brilliance we will take Galway.

I hope your right but Write Galway off at your peril.Cork have showed no brillance at all and are more a team suited to sunshine and fast ground.Cork exactly are not bullet proof either.
The days of Cork thinking were Cork and we just turn up and we will out hurl Galway are long gone.Galway have beaten Cork in most games they have met in the last three years.
The 2010 league final and in the 2011 Championship they destroyed us.Last year they beat us in the Semi final and while we remained in contention they never looked like loosing.
Last year they beat Cork in Cork in the league.While Galway seem to have a monkey on their backs any time they played Tipp the last few years most of the Galway players involved have beaten us consistently through the years and have no fear of the red jersey.They have beaten us at minor and U21 also.
It is all well and good to say stop Joe and Cork will win,but Joe will still get around 4 or 5 points from play alone even if Murphy does well on him.Murphy done well in the semi final last year on Canning but he still got 4 points.
And thats not to mention what he can do from frees.Anything within 80 meters he could score,and he will be helped if playing with a strong wind in the first or second half.
Galway have more forwards starting who can score in Aidan Harte(3 points against Cork in the League final in 2010,as a corner forward).
He is at Centre forward tommorrow.He is well able to score from distance,and if Cronin does play CB,it could be the same scenario as Tony Kelly last week,taking Cronin all over the field.
Galway have the St Thomas lads on the bench,James Regan,Burke,Cooney who can also score and well able to scrap for dirty ball.Hayes and Niall Healy are well able to score goals.
Cork onlys goal scorer starting is Moylan.
Paudie Sul who caused Kevin Hynes at Full Back a lot of problems last year is too far out from goal to be a goal threat.
The Cork team that was named has no standout forward either at the level of Joe and as a unit have not scored much from play this season.Forget about the Tipp game,that was not even close to a match.
Pat Horgan is meant to be Corks Marquee forward.He has to deliver way more from play.6 points in 3 games from play is poor from a guy of he's talent.And half of those scores came against Tippereary where he had one man of the match display against a woeful tipp team and has gone missing the last two games when he was badly needed.
He is long enough on the panel now ,every year were waiting on him to deliver in the big games,he needs to step it up big time tommorrow.He missed a crucial free last week at a vital time in the match to settle Cork.He has that tendency when the pressure is on.Cronin even stepped up to take a 65 afterwards.That showed Horgan did not have the Confidence to take it.He should be taking all Corks dead ball as he is the main free taker.If he wants to pick and choose then he should not be taking any of them.
Canning missed an easy free last week,but he still took the next one and got it.Horgan needs to do more of the same.
It is hard to see where the Cork scores will come from tommorrow with that starting 15 if it becomes a dogfight,which is likely the way the weather is at the moment.
Anthony cunningham said Galway were treating this as a must win game.They didn't seem too interested in the league bar the Kilkenny game.If they bring anywhere close to the intensity that that can bring,with the wet windy conditions tommorrow that are forecast,this Cork team is too lightweight and lacking balance in key positions that they will struggle tommorrow to win any 50/50 ball.
I hope the team that was named is not the team that starts,as to win any game you have to name your best team to give you any chance and with Cronin at CB among this is certainly not Corks best team.
Galway were poor their last two games,but practially all their players have been involved with Connaught which is bound to have affected them.Galway aren't as bad as that.People say Cork arent as bad as the Clare game.The fact remains Cork are fine in open games where there allowed hurl.They have yet to prove that can win when the games are intense battles.
Against Dublin twice,against Cork and in the 3 games against Kilkenny last year,Galway showed an intensity and physical side to them that we will struggle with.There not the complete team but they seem ahead of us.Hynes at full back is vulnerable but Cork won't be able to expose him unless they can get ball in their.
In all Corks Games last year and this year when it has been physically put up to them,they have been second best and blown out of it in any of the physical exchanges.Cork style of trying to run the legs of Clare didn't work on an ideal night for hurling last week, it is bound to struggle in heavy conditions tommorrow away from home,where Galway will be all out to win in front of a big home crowd.
If Cork do loose lets hope Kilkenny don't loose to Clare,as if they do then there is every chance we could be playing Kilkenny twice in a matter of weeks to avoid relegation.

rebel girl 15

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Unforunately this rule,motion 49 didnt get the 2/3 vote it needed and was not passed.Im Sure Counihan is delighted with the news.

That wasn't the motion - the motion was that managers release teams on the Wednesday before games, said nothing about dummy teams

03NewHolland

Anyone know of live streams to the games today?

rebel girl 15

Two changes for Cork: Alan O Connor replaces the injured Graham Canty while John McLoughlin is in for Eoin O Mahony

rebel girl 15

03NewHolland wrote: »

Anyone know of live streams to the games today?

Cork games are not being shown - your best bet for updates is twitter or C103 website

zetecescort

very disappointing result from Tralee. sounded like we had no plan B and kept our men back even though we were behind.

ShamoBuc

Galway 2-12 v Cork 2-12

A very good second half performance from Cork saw them come away with a share of the spoils.

As for the footballers, yet again they looked a little clueless when the questions were been asked of them - no real idea of what to do, the sideline can take some blame yet again I think.

Treble20

Fair play to the hurlers today,things looked ominous at half time when only leading by a point with Galway having the strong wind in the 2nd half but the hurlers put up a brave battle in the the 2nd half to get a share of the spoils.

As for the footballers another disappointing defeat today but at the same time I'm not surprised,there was a fierce lack of confidence in this Cork team going back to Tralee today. While overall this hasn't been a great league campaign for Cork they still have a great opportunity to qualify for the semis and yet could still get relegated too! Interesting last game against Mayo ahead.

Amprodude

Treble20 wrote: »

Fair play to the hurlers today,things looked ominous at half time when only leading by a point with Galway having the strong wind in the 2nd half but the hurlers put up a brave battle in the the 2nd half to get a share of the spoils.

As for the footballers another disappointing defeat today but at the same time I'm not surprised,there was a fierce lack of confidence in this Cork team going back to Tralee today. While overall this hasn't been a great league campaign for Cork they still have a great opportunity to qualify for the semis and yet could still get relegated too! Interesting last game against Mayo ahead.

In fairness to our hurlers for a limited panel they always give it their best shot. This is a very good Galway team who are away more talented than us at the moment. To get a draw away was a very good result.

The same can't be said about the footballers. We should have gone down to Tralee with the attitude of winning. They played so bad down there today it was unbelievable for a team that beat Donegal, Down and Tyrone in the League. It shows our failure to beat Kerry in the past is still evident. CC better go soon or else Cork football will go so far down the ladder we may never come back up.

Im not having a go at Kerry fans here but Cork had a chance to relegate Kerry today and they failed miserably. If Cork were in Kerry's position and Kerry were coming to Pairc Ui Chaoimh to play Cork, and had a chance to relegate Cork , they would relish the opportunity and put us down in style. I guarantee you Kerry will do everything in their power to beat Tyrone in Omagh and I wouldnt be surprised if they did win there too.

blackbelt

Amprodude wrote: »

Im not having a go at Kerry fans here but Cork had a chance to relegate Kerry today and they failed miserably. If Cork were in Kerry's position and Kerry were coming to Pairc Ui Chaoimh to play Cork, and had a chance to relegate Cork , they would relish the opportunity and put us down in style. I guarantee you Kerry will do everything in their power to beat Tyrone in Omagh and I wouldnt be surprised if they did win there too.

Did Cork employ the swarm/blanket defense and fail miserably or did they take them on man for man traditional style?I would not count out Kerry beating Tyrone and surviving the drop with Tyrone having nothing to play for now they have the semi final spot sown up.I still think long term Kerry have problems.It must have been evident with some regular players back that the pace would be picked up and Buckley is a good find but once Galvin,Gooch,AOM go, there will be a huge void.

Does Counihan even know his best 15?

zetecescort

had the blanket but gave away soft frees. kept defensive system in 2nd half despite being behind. looked like there was no plan B.

rebel girl 15

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Sunnyisland

Both Fitzmaurice and Cork counterpart Conor Counihan kept their teams in for longer than usual at half-time, leading to referee Cormac Reilly demanding their returns.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/football/2013/0324/378169-kerry-see-off-the-rebels-in-tralee/

Why would they do this ? curious thanks.

ShamoBuc

To gain some tactical advantage.....they wanted to keep the other team waiting....because it was very cold on the pitch....they lost track of time...the clocks in the dressing room were wrong....the ref came out too early.....because they had a lot to discuss.

Who knows?

Thinkstoomuch

Amprodude wrote: »

In fairness to our hurlers for a limited panel they always give it their best shot. This is a very good Galway team who are away more talented than us at the moment. To get a draw away was a very good result.

The same can't be said about the footballers. We should have gone down to Tralee with the attitude of winning. They played so bad down there today it was unbelievable for a team that beat Donegal, Down and Tyrone in the League. It shows our failure to beat Kerry in the past is still evident. CC better go soon or else Cork football will go so far down the ladder we may never come back up.

Im not having a go at Kerry fans here but Cork had a chance to relegate Kerry today and they failed miserably. If Cork were in Kerry's position and Kerry were coming to Pairc Ui Chaoimh to play Cork, and had a chance to relegate Cork , they would relish the opportunity and put us down in style. I guarantee you Kerry will do everything in their power to beat Tyrone in Omagh and I wouldnt be surprised if they did win there too.

A draw was a good result for the hurlers and credit due,they never gave up but there are still big problems in key aeras.At least JBM gave the team every chance by not naming Cronin at CB.It made a huge difference to the team.
Corks defense considering the amount of pressure they were under time and time again due to the half forward line not being able to win any dirty ball was excellent.Joyce still has a bit to go but he done well,and Egan was superb.He needs to be left at CB .
Lorchan Mcloughlin done well,he works much better off Cronin,Cronin gives him that physical presence in the aera.He is much better than he is with Kearney as hes partner.Their too alike.Cronin was good today and is needed at midfield but the problem is,he is needed in the half forward line also, but unfortunately he can't be in two places at once.
The half forward line is a shambles but if he plays there were in trouble at midfield then.Its a catch 22.
The Cork half forward line is the weakest aera of this team.Not only is it unable to win any ball in the air,it puts the defence under huge pressure as opposing half back lines just clean up and launch attack after attack.
Cian Mccarthy did make a difference when he came on,but Paudie Sul is not a Centre Forward.When he moved in to the full forward line he got a great goal.He has proved he is the real leader of the attack now, if Cronin is stays at midfield.Hes workrate is brillant and like last year against Tipp and Galway in the Championship he delivered unlike Patrick Horgan.I said it last night Horgan needed to step up to the mark.He was woeful.He was rightly subbed and he shoudn't start against KK.Mannix was poor today but in he's first league game of the season he deserves a second chance.He deserves to start against Kilkenny.
He done all that was asked of him in the games over the winter.Cian McCarthy proved he is well able to score from the dead ball instead of Horgan.In fairness to him he at least won some ball in the half forward line when he came on.
Brian murphy done well on Canning as he always does,but Canning will score a rake of points from dead balls or frees.The problem still exists in the Full back line.There is no commanding presence in there.Murphy proved last week he is not and out and out full back,today he reinforced the fact that he is one of the best man markers in the game.Thats what he should be.
Nash was superb and showed once again how forwards should take a penalty.He is so important to this team.If he keeps this form up he is a certain All star.
I had thought the St Thomas lads were back.They will be a big boost to Galway.
Cussen was awful when he came on.For a big man in conditions that should suit him he was poor.To see a small man like Johhny Coen win the ball of him tells it own story.Peter O Brien may not have the talent for this level but at least he tries and works hard,I'd much rather see him than Cussen being brought on.
Waterford winning today means there more than likely safe.
If we loose to KK,chances are we will be in a relegation play off against Galway,Clare or Tipp depending on results.At least KK won today which means we if we do loose to them we can't meet them in a relegation play off.
If teams finish level on points it goes down to , results in the head to head games between the two,if three teams are level its resolved on point difference.

Rebel1977

Paul Galvin only came on as a sub and was involved to two incidents, he should have got an oscar for one dive he took some things never change.

Limerick91

Not much acting by Paul Galvin in the photo in the Irish Indo today. Kissane and O'Leary shown up for what they are mod snip

DDC1990

As someone who was at the match, that photo is a little misleading.

O'Leary made a genuine attempt to challenge for the ball and was turning away, but Kissane definitely went for Galvin IMO. This was not in the brawl that happened after Gooch was hit high. This was a minute before Galvin got his score afaik. Not often a Kerryman will vouch for Noel O'Leary, but he and Galvin focused on the game yesterday for the 5 minutes that they marked each other.

Everyone else wanted a pop at Galvin it seemed.

Other then that it was a very clean game, one or 2 reckless challenges, but clumsy rather then dirty.

Cork really felt the loss of Kelly, Sheehan, O'Connor, and O'Neill. The forwards yesterday were lovely footballers, but like Kerry's inexperienced forwards earlier in the league, they couldn't get up to the pace and physicality of the game. It didn't help that Kerry's fullback line had a storming game. Mark Griffin was an unknown quantity to many in Kerry, but he looks like a real natural fullback, and gave O'Driscoll a torrid time. Shane Enright can have good days and bad, but really did well on Paul Kerrigan, who was very unlucky not to get a goal after a class dummy, and attempted lob.

Positives from a Cork point of view would be Aidan Walsh and Fintan Gould. Both look very fit and able to take long range scores. John McLoughlin didn't have a bad game either. Shields had a rough start, but stopped Declan O'Sullivan from having too much of an impact.

Both teams have a lot of improving to do before we meet (all going well) in the Munster Championship.

D'Agger

Rebel1977 wrote: »

Paul Galvin only came on as a sub and was involved to two incidents, he should have got an oscar for one dive he took some things never change.

Hmmm....can you tell me what you should receive for striking or attempting to strike? Is it an oscar for that too?

Only saw the highlights now - Cork kicked some very nice scores, Gould in particular looked to have a fine game, you were missing a few forwards so lucky for us really I guess.

Cooper seemed to have a great game when he came on

darragh_haven

DDC1990 wrote: »

As someone who was at the match, that photo is a little misleading.

O'Leary made a genuine attempt to challenge for the ball and was turning away, but Kissane definitely went for Galvin IMO. This was not in the brawl that happened after Gooch was hit high. This was a minute before Galvin got his score afaik. Not often a Kerryman will vouch for Noel O'Leary, but he and Galvin focused on the game yesterday for the 5 minutes that they marked each other.

Everyone else wanted a pop at Galvin it seemed.

Other then that it was a very clean game, one or 2 reckless challenges, but clumsy rather then dirty.

Yeah, i thought O'Leary just made a clumsy challenge, and the picture shows him with fingers in Galvins mouth and eye area, but it was a flailing hand more that any malice. The picture is unfair to O'Leary, a snap shot that was worse than the reality.
Kissane was going in with the elbow. and wasn't even related to a legal tackle.

Randy Watson

Amprodude wrote: »

In fairness to our hurlers for a limited panel they always give it their best shot. This is a very good Galway team who are away more talented than us at the moment. To get a draw away was a very good result.

The same can't be said about the footballers. We should have gone down to Tralee with the attitude of winning. They played so bad down there today it was unbelievable for a team that beat Donegal, Down and Tyrone in the League. It shows our failure to beat Kerry in the past is still evident. CC better go soon or else Cork football will go so far down the ladder we may never come back up.

Im not having a go at Kerry fans here but Cork had a chance to relegate Kerry today and they failed miserably. If Cork were in Kerry's position and Kerry were coming to Pairc Ui Chaoimh to play Cork, and had a chance to relegate Cork , they would relish the opportunity and put us down in style. I guarantee you Kerry will do everything in their power to beat Tyrone in Omagh and I wouldnt be surprised if they did win there too.

If kerry were playing Cork and were missing Donaghy, Cooper, the two O'Sullivans and Marc O'Se would they fancy their chances?

No county can live with the injury list Cork have at the moment.

darragh_haven

Limerick91 wrote: »

Not much acting by Paul Galvin in the photo in the Irish Indo today. Kissane and O'Leary shown up for what they are THUGS

Cool the Jets lad. The picture is unfair to O'Leary, a snap shot that was worse than the reality.
Kissane was going in with the elbow. and wasn't even related to a legal tackle, but hardly a thug.
I could say the same of the picture of Declan O'Sullivan, (page 17 Irish examiners Sports suppliment) where he actually looks like he is going to eat the ref. But the picture is not reflective of O'Sullivan