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Mr. Wong

Lemlin wrote: »

And what areas of the panel would you see as weak points? Any position from 1-15 you'd see us as particularly weak in? I'm interested in hearing your opinion as a neutral. We don't often get neutral opinions as Cavan are rarely shown on TV.

We got a hockeying off your own county last year in the Championship and it appears to have had the opposite effect - the lads have come back more determined than ever.

While I'm no expert on the capabilities of this current Cavan team, they looked pretty gutless last year against us when the intensity was upped a few notches. The Cavan players seemed more interested in getting in sly digs at SJ when they should have being looking to get back into the game.

However, Cavan are a county capable of winning an Ulster title in the not too distant future if they can (for the want of a better phrase) get their shit together.

Having successful underage teams does not guarantee a good senior team, Laois are a perfect example of this. The young guys need nurturing onto the next level and I think Kieran McGeeney has done this for us. He has been involved with our U21s for a few years now and the fruits of his labour are beginning to blossom in the shape of Niall Kelly, Daniel Flynn, Paddy Brophy, Seán Hurley, Paul Cribbin et al. I can see big futures for these guys.

Lemlin

termon8r wrote: »

any word on the venue for under 21 semi-final with down?

It's in Brewster.

termon8r

any word on the venue for under 21 semi-final with down?

Lemlin

Mr. Wong wrote: »

Agree with Pete_Cavan, Cavan would be better off staying in Div3 as IMO they would be hockeyed in a good few games in Div2 which could dent young players confidence.

And what areas of the panel would you see as weak points? Any position from 1-15 you'd see us as particularly weak in? I'm interested in hearing your opinion as a neutral. We don't often get neutral opinions as Cavan are rarely shown on TV.

We got a hockeying off your own county last year in the Championship and it appears to have had the opposite effect - the lads have come back more determined than ever.

Mr. Wong

Agree with Pete_Cavan, Cavan would be better off staying in Div3 as IMO they would be hockeyed in a good few games in Div2 which could dent young players confidence.

Lemlin

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

I dont think promotion this year would be good for us, we would most likely come straight back down with not much to show for our 2014 league campaign. It has been a decent year so far; we have consolidated in Div. 3 and perhaps even established ourselves as one of the stronger teams, we have had good away wins in Navan and Aughrim and our only defeat in Breffni was to the table toppers but only after losing a man after 10 minutes.

We are still a young team and next year we will have another few lads graduating from the Under 21 conveyor belt to the senior squad who would benefit from adqpting to senior football and gaining confidence in Div. 3. We should have a stronger squad with a good mix of youth and experience for the 2014 season and should be pushing to win Div. 3 at that stage.

Obviously another win would be great but I think competing in Div. 2 next year would be too much too soon so the best outcome would be another win but for results to dictate that we dont go up. Like I said, this year has been good enough so far, the next goal is putting in a good performance against, and possibly beat, Armagh. That game will be a good benchmark and tell us where we are at. We should also be looking to get more than two championship matchs this year.

I'd have to disagree to be honest. Teams improve by playing better teams and gaining experience. We've a young panel of players who have acquitted themselves very well in the toughest Division 3 I've seen in a while. An Armagh man even told me that he sees it as a tougher division this year than Division 2.

The great thing about our showing this year is that we have been competitive in every game. It's a long time since that happened. In the last two years we've been fighting for our lives on the last day of the league but this year we've held our own against every team in the Division and are safe with points to spare.

I don't think there's any hope of us being promoted, although it is still mathematically possible I think, but Roscommon will be a tough game and I think it'll really show how far these lads have come if they win. Roscommon showed yesterday their character when coming back to beat Monaghan and I don't know if the Brigids run took their eye off the ball but I was expecting them and Meath/Monaghan to be the main candidates for promotion. They're a very good side.

The main factor yesterday was that the panel was used well. Against Fermanagh it appeared weak but yesterday, by all accounts as I wasn't there, other players came in and picked up the baton when the likes of Givney had a poor game. This has been lacking from Cavan teams in the past.

One of our big problems has been relying on marquee players and when they don't perform, the team don't. This year though different players have stood up in each match and, when one has had an off day, others have performed in their place.

On the way home from the Fermanagh game, I listed to Donal Keoghan talk on Northern Sound about how the panel was sorely lacking because the U21s weren't available. It was his opinion that the U21s should have remained with the senior team.

I agree with his opinion that the changes were poor that night and I honestly think having the U21s and a stronger bench could have seen us win that match but I think the system works well and we should be teaching our lads to win at a younger level like they are now. For example, it was great experience for the U21s to dig in on Wednesday night and grind the win out in extra time against Monaghan. That'll serve them well in future years at senior level.

With the panel we have at the minute and the U21s coming back after their championship, I'm really looking forward to the Summer. I honestly think we have the talent there to be competitive against any team from Division 2 down. We're still a long way from the top 8 teams but I'd like to think that the qualifier draw might be kind for once.

Pete_Cavan

I dont think promotion this year would be good for us, we would most likely come straight back down with not much to show for our 2014 league campaign. It has been a decent year so far; we have consolidated in Div. 3 and perhaps even established ourselves as one of the stronger teams, we have had good away wins in Navan and Aughrim and our only defeat in Breffni was to the table toppers but only after losing a man after 10 minutes.

We are still a young team and next year we will have another few lads graduating from the Under 21 conveyor belt to the senior squad who would benefit from adqpting to senior football and gaining confidence in Div. 3. We should have a stronger squad with a good mix of youth and experience for the 2014 season and should be pushing to win Div. 3 at that stage.

Obviously another win would be great but I think competing in Div. 2 next year would be too much too soon so the best outcome would be another win but for results to dictate that we dont go up. Like I said, this year has been good enough so far, the next goal is putting in a good performance against, and possibly beat, Armagh. That game will be a good benchmark and tell us where we are at. We should also be looking to get more than two championship matchs this year.

Tom Joad

So we can't catch Fermanagh. Therefore if we beat Roscommon (big if), we need Antrim or Fermanagh to beat Meath (quite possible) and Antrim to beat Monaghan in Clones (can't really see that happening tbh).

Lemlin

Tom Joad wrote: »

Good result today - was listening on Northern Sound and always seemed to have that wee bit extra. Martin Dunne seemed to have a good game and nice to see Barry Reilly come on and have a good game again..

Roscommon result gives us an outside chance of promotion - was trying to work out what we need to happen but my head hurts after trying - Antrim beating Meath would be a good start.

What happens if we finish level with Fermanagh - is it head to head results that decides??

AFAIK it's head to head.

Tom Joad

Good result today - was listening on Northern Sound and always seemed to have that wee bit extra. Martin Dunne seemed to have a good game and nice to see Barry Reilly come on and have a good game again..

Roscommon result gives us an outside chance of promotion - was trying to work out what we need to happen but my head hurts after trying - Antrim beating Meath would be a good start.

What happens if we finish level with Fermanagh - is it head to head results that decides??

celt262

Antrim at home.

Lemlin

scoopmine wrote: »

Ross beat our neighbors by a point does that put us in with a chance in beffni in two weeks?

A very slim chance. We'd need Meath to lose one game of their remaing two and for Monaghan to lose.

Who do Monaghan play?

Lemlin

scoopmine wrote: »

Ross beat our neighbors by a point does that put us in with a chance in beffni in two weeks?

I think it does but who do Monaghan play in their last game?

I don't think we can finish above Fermanagh now even if they lose to Meath as we can only level their points tally.

Meath can also finish above us if they win their last two games which I can see them doing.

scoopmine

Ross beat our neighbors by a point does that put us in with a chance in beffni in two weeks?

Lemlin

Just in and see Cavan won 14 points to 11. Great result for the lads and I'd imagine that ensures safety.

Tom Joad

Lemlin wrote: »

Not sure if you noticed Tom but McKeever isn't starting. He was away in New York last weekend and got engaged so I doubt he was back and ready in time for this game.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him sprung from the bench.

I was talking in general as I think that will be how we could set up come championship time.. can't see McKeever being involved today.

Lemlin

Tom Joad wrote: »

It's another option all right and something you could see happening - put the two of them up there and have Dunne and Mc Dermott feeding off breaks - you could then leave McKeever and Mackey to sit and protect the backs but to be the link men to carry ball and get it up to the lads.

As I've said here before the big positive at the minute is that we have now options both in terms of players and systems.

Not sure if you noticed Tom but McKeever isn't starting. He was away in New York last weekend and got engaged so I doubt he was back and ready in time for this game.

Wouldn't be surprised to see him sprung from the bench.

Tom Joad

Lemlin wrote: »

I wouldn't mind seeing a twin towers approach with Givney and Keating both in the full forward line and Dunne playing off them for breaking ball.

I'm wondering how the team will actually line out tomorrow too.

It's another option all right and something you could see happening - put the two of them up there and have Dunne and Mc Dermott feeding off breaks - you could then leave McKeever and Mackey to sit and protect the backs but to be the link men to carry ball and get it up to the lads.

As I've said here before the big positive at the minute is that we have now options both in terms of players and systems.

Lemlin

Tom Joad wrote: »

I like that team but we really need to find the right position for Givney soon if he's not going to be playing as a midfielder (and to be fair Mossy Corr deserves his place at midfield along with McKiernan). Agree re Keating - he can do serious damage around the square if he stays there - no point him coming out the field to win ball and pump it in if there is no-one to win it.

I wouldn't mind seeing a twin towers approach with Givney and Keating both in the full forward line and Dunne playing off them for breaking ball.

I'm wondering how the team will actually line out tomorrow too.

Tom Joad

I like that team but we really need to find the right position for Givney soon if he's not going to be playing as a midfielder (and to be fair Mossy Corr deserves his place at midfield along with McKiernan). Agree re Keating - he can do serious damage around the square if he stays there - no point him coming out the field to win ball and pump it in if there is no-one to win it.

Lemlin

scoopmine wrote: »

Game confirmed although its given snow in Cavan tonight!

Cavan team to play Wicklow in Aughrim 2moro Sunday 24th March at 2.30pm:
JReilly, OMinagh, JMcEnroe, PReilly, JHayes, AClarke, JMcCutcheon, TCorr, GMcKiernan, CMackey, DGivney, MReilly, NMcDermott, EKeating, MDunne.

Happy enough with that team. The only player I'm not happy to see starting is Martin Reilly but he's been a mainstay this year.

Good to see McCutcheon and Hayes back. The backs need to ensure they don't give away handy frees.

A start for Keating is a big bonus too. The ball needs to be delivered into him. He's very capable of winning it but he needs to stay in there and not roam down the pitch which he has a tendency to do.

scoopmine

Game confirmed although its given snow in Cavan tonight!

Cavan team to play Wicklow in Aughrim 2moro Sunday 24th March at 2.30pm:
JReilly, OMinagh, JMcEnroe, PReilly, JHayes, AClarke, JMcCutcheon, TCorr, GMcKiernan, CMackey, DGivney, MReilly, NMcDermott, EKeating, MDunne.

Tom Joad

Lemlin wrote: »

Apparently the Wicklow game is in danger of being postponed. The County board haven't confirmed yet but there are rumours.

Most club league games this weekend also appear to have been postponed.

I noticed that the hurling scheduled for Aughrim tomorrow has been moved to Arklow - must be worried about the pitch cutting up!!

Lemlin

Apparently the Wicklow game is in danger of being postponed. The County board haven't confirmed yet but there are rumours.

Most club league games this weekend also appear to have been postponed.

Lemlin

Pete_Cavan wrote: »

Read in the Celt the other day about the County Board striking a deal with the VEC for use of facilities at Dun Ui Neill barracks on the Dublin road. Sounds like a good idea, they have an existing pitch, gym and canteen to be used in conjunction with Breffni Park facilities as part of a centre of excellence. Good news for Cavan football and hurling to get the use of a facility like this free of charge in return for coaching and training VEC teams.

All the right moves are being made in the county to give us a bright future alright.

Pete_Cavan

Read in the Celt the other day about the County Board striking a deal with the VEC for use of facilities at Dun Ui Neill barracks on the Dublin road. Sounds like a good idea, they have an existing pitch, gym and canteen to be used in conjunction with Breffni Park facilities as part of a centre of excellence. Good news for Cavan football and hurling to get the use of a facility like this free of charge in return for coaching and training VEC teams.

Syferus

Lemlin wrote: »

Two weeks actually. We play Wicklow Saturday, there's a week break and then we play ye.

:pac: The All-Ireland has warped my sense of time!

Lemlin

Syferus wrote: »

Glad to see Cavan got through in the end. Hopefully they can do the three-in-a-row in Ulster and we end up with three of the four AI semi-finalists being Hastings Cup teams.

Oh, and only a week to go until the Rossies invade Breffini

Two weeks actually. We play Wicklow Saturday, there's a week break and then we play ye.

Tom Joad

Syferus wrote: »

Glad to see Cavan got through in the end. Hopefully they can do the three-in-a-row in Ulster and we end up with three of the four AI semi-finalists being Hastings Cup teams.

Oh, and only a week to go until the Rossies invade Breffini

Don't wreck the place because we'll all be down in Aughrim...:D

Syferus

Glad to see Cavan got through in the end. Hopefully they can do the three-in-a-row in Ulster and we end up with three of the four AI semi-finalists being Hastings Cup teams.

Oh, and only a week to go until the Rossies invade Breffini