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Cork GAA Discussion Thread

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Just thought I'd make a thread on Cork GAA seeing as noone else has made one already. Feel free to talk about anything about Cork GAA, especially hurling and especially the Senior Hurling Championship.

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ShamoBuc

Cork 0-03 v Donegal 0-05 at ht

Donnacha O'Connor didn't start for Cork I think - big loss!

Colm O'Neill gone off - serious injury.

rebel girl 15

Watching it online because I'm in the UK, poor football from both teams scoring wise. Cork tactic is good, switching the play from side to side, but their scoring return is very poor for all their possession. I'm finding the commentary hilarious though, one of them must have been watching the rugby, was commenting at one stage that there were five Cork fellas with their hands on their hips in the backline when the ball was up in the Donegal half.

O Connor didn't start, O Sullivan started instead of him, but you could see O Connor on the sideline warming up when O Neill went down. Looked like a serious enough injury for O Neill, and judging by his body language as well.

ShamoBuc

Cork 0-12 v Donegal 0-10 FT

What a second half performance. Cork scored about 7 in a row to ensure victory....beating 3 Ulster teams on the trot....bring on those boys from next door!! Bring them on!!!!!

Amprodude

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Cork 0-12 v Donegal 0-10 FT

What a second half performance. Cork scored about 7 in a row to ensure victory....beating 3 Ulster teams on the trot....bring on those boys from next door!! Bring them on!!!!!

We safe now from relegation arent we?

ShamoBuc

Amprodude wrote: »

We safe now from relegation arent we?

Well safe. A win against Kerry and we might have a shot at winning the league.

Amprodude

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Well safe. A win against Kerry and we might have a shot at winning the league.

Nothing will surprise me with Cork.

Hidalgo

Early 2nd half, Cork lead Clare 12 pts to 08. 10 wides each.

Thinkstoomuch

Jesus that was a bad defeat when Cork were in a winning position.I thought Cork would win and could have won if they had played there key men in their best positions.Everything i feared with Cronin at centre back came through tonight.Its a joke that he was left there for the whole game.I said he lacked mobility and the ability to sweep up loose ball,he was destroyed by Kelly.Kelly ran him all over all the shop.Cronin stayed where he was,he doesnt have the legs for centre back,or the the legs to follow he's man.The whole half back line was in trouble as a result.
How they left him there for all the game defies logic.They made a forward that came close to an all star look awful tonight.I dont blame cronin,he was played out of position.
Not only did the half back line struggle but he helped the Clare half back line dominate the match as Cork had no man that could compete in the air up their.Clare had an all star in Bulger at half back,he cleaned up with Donnellan.If Cronin was there or even at midfield at least cork would have limited hes infulence on the game.As he would have been forced to move out to stop him winning the puckouts.Mcloughlin should have been swtiched with Cronin.Croinin was not only exposed as a centre back but one of Corks most dangerous attacking weapons was now out of the game.He scored 3 points for Munster in the Inter pro a few weeks back,off Niall O Donoughe at half forward
.Thats shows how good he is as a half forward or even at midfield.
Physically again Cork were blown away.Last week in the first half there were outmuscled,they stood up in the second half,but Clare were a level above that today.
Galway and Kilkenny are at another level.
Cork are still blown off the ball too easily.
Cronin should never be centre back,it is awful to make such a great player look so poor.
Naughton was poor when he was brought on.A great goal chance he fluffed it.
I said after the tipp game that not much should be read in to it.The tipp game should be erased from memory as Tipp did not turn up in the first half.
The waterford game showed Cork had character,and to be fair they battled to the end today.I have great time for JBM but he learned nothing from the Waterford game.Prengerast exposed Cronin,yet he leaves him there for the whole game,when it could be seen early in the game he was in trouble.Cork are now in a relegation dogfight with Waterford more than likely.
It will tough against Galway but Kilkenny will be a huge test to over come in Knowlan Park.
Someone posted here after the tipp game that Cork would win Munster.I said it then and I will say it now were a long way from winning Munster.

Thinkstoomuch

Amprodude wrote: »

We safe now from relegation arent we?

Down lost tonight and mayo were beaten so they along with Kerry are in trouble .We should be safe but one win from the last two games would confirm it.
With Mayo at home one win is very attainable.
Kerry next week is winnable but Kerry after beating Down will have regained some confidence.And we have sum injury jinx at the moment.As it is were in a playoff position as of now ahead of Donegal.Tyrone shocking Dublin and Kildare winning means there still ahead of us.Tyrone meet Kildare next week.

ShamoBuc

I said it before, I could not understand why Cronin was CB.
We have defenders that could play there, we don't have players for the half forward line.
If he starts there again......JBM really needs to question his reasoning.
He should never play CB again, plain and simple.

Apart from that, Cork showed the good in the first half and the very bad in the second half. Well played Clare though - savage second half performance.

Nonoperational

Too much over reacting to league form... It was a bad second half, we'll learn from it.

Thinkstoomuch

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Cork 0-12 v Donegal 0-10 FT

What a second half performance. Cork scored about 7 in a row to ensure victory....beating 3 Ulsbutter teams on the trot....bring on those boys from next door!! Bring them on!!!!!

A great victory.This was always going be low scoring and a war of attrition.A huge win in that we came from behind to beat Donegal which few teams actually do.And to stop Donegal winning 3 in a row over us was vital .
It is awful to watch from footballing view point,but im not bothered as if you cant beat the system you may as well join it.A lot of anyalsts will be quick to criticise Cork new style now but when Donegal and Dublin do it,they just call it good counter attacking.Its more easier to watch than the lateral hand passing we done in the past.
We are not the finished article yet but at least the forwards are getting some ball in space.
Cork gave Donegal a dose of their own medicine,it was great to see them looking so frustrated with so many cork players in defence.At long last Cork are getting cute,Murphy going for goal,Cadogan could not get the ball but he got the man,gave away a free instead of a goal.Cadogan was immense,Mark Collins covered a lot of ground,and Aidan Walsh was superb again.
Ken O Halloran was very good,and Quirke will have a tough battle to regain the No 1 jersey.
Most teams are cynical in terms of fouling so Cork should be no different.Cork have been left with no choice to do this now and it does slow the game down and make it horrible to watch but the powers to be have allowed other teams do this consistently ,Cork like many other teams have been forced to do the same.
I had hoped we would have no more injuries but it was a nightmare to see Colm O Neill go down.Brian cuthbert was saying after the game he hopes it is not he's cruciate.If it is thats hes third,and is really awful luck.I hope it is not that bad but it looked very similar to the last time he done hes cruciate(i think it was against Galway).
Cork have the most woeful luck with injuries in the forwards.Sheehan,Doc,Kelly,O Neill and Goulding and pearse o Neill are all injured.
We do have endless talent available but when you have that many injured at the same time and the U21s not available were thread bare at the moment.
Andrew sullivan playing as a forward shows the options are slim.He done well in fairness,he is not a natural forward but he was superb tonight.Liam shorten too had a good game.He seems very hard working and got a nice score from 3 attempts but i would wonder is he a natural scoring forward in the mould of Goulding,O Neill,Sheehan .From the U21s,MacEoin and Hurley and O Rourke seem to have more ability as scoring forwards than him.
If Colm O Neill is out its a savage blow to Cork.Our most lethal goalscorer.
It seems like Cork are cursed with injuries in the forwards.When Mayo beat us in 2011 we had Sheehan,O Neill,Goulding and Barry O Driscoll out.When we had to bring on a Sub we had to bring on a back Denis O Sullivan.Donegal have only 2 real scoring forwards Mcfadden and Murphy and there never injured.We seem to have 4 or 5 out at the one time.
A great victory but overshadowed by O Neills injury.

Thinkstoomuch

Nonoperational wrote: »

Too much over reacting to league form... It was a bad second half, we'll learn from it.

i dont think it is overreacting when the same weakness are shown up time and time again.Lack of physicality,midfield balance all wrong.
A problem aera in winning ball in the Half forward midfield aera made ten times worse by playing your most potent weapon in a position thats he has never played before,therefore making him useless.It was bad enough he started their but to be left there for 70 minutes was madness.
Mcloughlin and Kearney wont work as a unit together.There too alike.
MCloughlin best position is half back and he has proven this for CIT many a time.
Murphy is not a full back,and was burned for the Goal.Ellis deserves a chance.Will he make it?who knows but what we do know is Murphy and Mcdonell are Corner backs by nature and not full backs as they always attack the ball rather than play the position like the Rock used to do.

Thinkstoomuch

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I said it before, I could not understand why Cronin was CB.
We have defenders that could play there, we don't have players for the half forward line.
If he starts there again......JBM really needs to question his reasoning.
He should never play CB again, plain and simple.

Apart from that, Cork showed the good in the first half and the very bad in the second half. Well played Clare though - savage second half performance.

Agree totally with cronin.Kelly was off target with a few but still destroyed Cronin.
The penney should drop now,2 games hes been exposed.The sad thing is hes a great player being made look awful.Prengerast and kelly are fine players,but their is a level above them.Donnellan or Burke will Crucify cronin.Or god help us if they put Joe on him.
Kilkenny with richie power would be the same.Joyces confidence must be destroyed after a good tipp game he was not trusted for Waterford or Clare.He needs games at 6,and has be denied 2 games to grow.Now he could be thrown in at the deep end.I think he will be the future no 6 but you coudnt fault him if he was shaky in the next game after not being trusted for the last two games.

zetecescort

people reading too much into league results. sure there are problems such as Cronin at CB, not winning ball at half forward etc but we are not as good as against Tipp nor as poor as last night. standard is high in the top division and realisticly we are just about a top 6 team.

good win for the Footballers, good to see a change in tactics. signs that management are taking on board the way the game has changed in the last few years. Gutted for O'Neill, hope its not as serious as feared

Thinkstoomuch

zetecescort wrote: »

people reading too much into league results. sure there are problems such as Cronin at CB, not winning ball at half forward etc but we are not as good as against Tipp nor as poor as last night. standard is high in the top division and realisticly we are just about a top 6 team.

good win for the Footballers, good to see a change in tactics. signs that management are taking on board the way the game has changed in the last few years. Gutted for O'Neill, hope its not as serious as feared

Colm is going for a scan the next few days so they will know more then.It looks bad though very similar to 2011 when he went off against Galway.If it is a third cruciate in 4 years and on the same knee its terrible luck and i would really fear about he's future in the game.The only thing is he is 23,but jesus 3 cruciates on the same knee you wonder about that knee.
They say that having a cruciate increases the risk on the other knee.I have rarely heard a player to get three cruciates in such a short time.David moran ,kerry got two in ten months.He is still on the way back.Rory o Sullivan last year U21 captain had 2 also,and has missed about 3 years of football.Dermort earley and Paddy bradley also had had two in the space of 18 months.Shefflin had two but he had them over a 3 year period.I hope its not a cruciate but if it is i hope he recovers fully .If he came back from that it would be remarkable.
Cork in general have awful luck,Sheehan and David Gould another talented forward have suffered the same injury as O Neill.
In relation to the Hurling,I would regard it as very worrying.The spine of the team is very weak and not at all settled.We have no full back,the half back line is not settled,Midfield and Centre forward and Full Forward is a problem.At least Cronin can solve either the midfield or Centre forward position depending where they play him,but that still leaves us in trouble in one department.In the middle of March when you want to have some idea of the team,and to be finding form,Cork are miles of the pace.It is vital that we have a good league as Cork are not playing until June.
Thats a long enough wait but worse if you are coming off a poor league with confidence low.Galway will have the St Thomas players back and will pose Cork serious problems.Another worry is in all three games Cork have only played one half of hurling.
Relegation is a real possibiltity now.I hope waterford loose their games as that might be our saving grace.We would have a chance against them in a neutral venue.It would be a disaster for Cork to be in Div 2 next year.That would be a huge set back.
The same weak spots in the team from last year still exist.That is why I would be worried.

Treble20

A mixed night last night in Pairc Ui Rinn. The football game wasn't the prettiest to watch but I'm glad to see a change of tactics by Cork,it's necessary if their going to try and beat teams like Donegal and Tyrone. Sad to see Colm O'Neil going off with what looked like a serious knee injury,fingers crossed it's not another cruciate or you'd really have to fear for his future career.

A disappointing defeat for the hurlers after a good start to the league campaign. Most Cork fans were been cautious after the hammering of Tipp because Tipp are a lot better than that night's result suggested. A good bright opening by Cork and at half time things were looking good. However after 10 minutes of the 2nd half Clare completely took over and physically the Cork players were overwhelmed by the Clare lads and in the end the Clare team thoroughly deserved their 6 point victory.

Cork could really do with a few tough physical hurlers,it was worrying last night to see them been beat to rags in the physical battles in the 2nd half when the chips were down. The half back line,midfield and the half forward line were very disappointing in the 2nd half. JBM still has a lot of work to do to get Cork hurling back on track but I think most genuine Cork fans realised this would be the case when he took over. A tough game awaits next weekend against Galway,a loss here and a relegation play off looms for the rebels.

rebel girl 15

O Neill is going for a scan on Tuesday. The first cruciate does damage to the bones in the knee joint and you can never stabilise the joint as fully as the other knee. The fact he came back from a second one on the same knee and playing inter county football - he put himself at huge risk coming back the first time, let alone the second time. Did his first one when he was 18ish, second one 21/22 and now at 25 a possible third one, and by his body language I'd be fearing the worst. I'm fairly sure it was his right knee that he did originally - and I think it was his left knee he was clutching last night. Either way, if it is a cruciate, it could be his last game for Cork.

Only other players I can think of that have been so close together was John Galvin of Limerick who did his cruciate in the same knee twice in 20 months, and Amy O Shea, a former Cork ladies football player who did two cruciates in one knee and once in the other knee.

Thinkstoomuch

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

O Neill is going for a scan on Tuesday. The first cruciate does damage to the bones in the knee joint and you can never stabilise the joint as fully as the other knee. The fact he came back from a second one on the same knee and playing inter county football - he put himself at huge risk coming back the first time, let alone the second time. Did his first one when he was 18ish, second one 21/22 and now at 25 a possible third one, and by his body language I'd be fearing the worst. I'm fairly sure it was his right knee that he did originally - and I think it was his left knee he was clutching last night. Either way, if it is a cruciate, it could be his last game for Cork.

Only other players I can think of that have been so close together was John Galvin of Limerick who did his cruciate in the same knee twice in 20 months, and Amy O Shea, a former Cork ladies football player who did two cruciates in one knee and once in the other knee.

Rory O Sullivan Cork U21 footballer injured hes cruciate twice in 12 months.He was Captain last year.
David moran of Kerry injured he's cruciate twice in 10 months.
Paddy Bradley injured he's cruciates in both he's left and right knees in a 18 month period.

David Meyler who was a good hurler and would have played for Cork only for he choosing soccer injured he's cruciate playing for sunderland twice on the same knee within about 8 months.The first time he done it Steve Bruce had said it was the worst cruciate ever as all the knee was completely damaged.After he would train he's knee would swell up.Colm O Neill had said after hes second one he was lucky in that he had no such problems with swellling.Meyler was back playing in 7 months.He damaged the same knee again a month later but he made a fully recovery.They did not rush back him back,they gave him plenty of time.He hasnt had any more problems.Hopefully Colm can make the same comeback and hopefully the injury is not as bad as it is feared. Alan Smith Kildare had thought hes cruciate went in a Club game but scans showed it was just swelling.Touch wood Colms is the same.

Awful bad luck and he was having a fine game,2 great points,one in which he stopped a ball going out for a sideline with a lovely scoop back with hes hand,and then took the return and scored a beauty.

rebelomar

Was great to see Cork getting their tactics spot on vs Donegal. Full back line finally offered the right protection amd thrived as a result. Too much space being allowed in our 45 in recent seasons.

Mark Collins had a fine game and is def in contention. Clancy looks a good player but needs to be given more games to see his real merits.

Kerrigan was top notch and linked well with Barry O Driscoll at times who also had his best game in a Cork Senior jersey. Looked stronger on the ball than before.

Aidan Walsh is the ultimate midfielder. Ive never seen a more rounded player. Looks to have refined his shooting aswell. Love how two footed he is.

Its just great to see Cork finally copping on tactically. Its a long time overdue and has cost us on numerous occasions.

ShamoBuc

Looking forward to the Kerry match, really should be winning that one.

As for the hurlers, Canning licked up an ankle injury today and that really limited him. It shows you how beatable Galway are when you can quieten him.

rebelomar

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Looking forward to the Kerry match, really should be winning that one.

As for the hurlers, Canning licked up an ankle injury today and that really limited him. It shows you how beatable Galway are when you can quieten him.

Unfortunately our own lads are very easy subdue as we say yet again Sat night. Dismal second half effort!

ShamoBuc

rebelomar wrote: »

Unfortunately our own lads are very easy subdue as we say yet again Sat night. Dismal second half effort!

I don't think we will get anything from the games with Galway or KK - 2 games where we are close enough with 10 or 15 would do. Any kind of a result from either of the 2 would be a distinct bonus I think.

rebelomar

ShamoBuc wrote: »

I don't think we will get anything from the games with Galway or KK - 2 games where we are close enough with 10 or 15 would do. Any kind of a result from either of the 2 would be a distinct bonus I think.

Agreed. Performances are of the upmost importance. Hopefully we show more fight and aggression than Sat night. No lack of skill, pace or quality but its courage is what these lads need to find very quickly.

Thinkstoomuch

Its been confirmed the news nobody wanted Colm O Neill Cruciate is gone again.Poor fella awful luck.I wish him all the best in he's recovery.A Superb player.

lukin

Colm O Neill just confirmed on twitter that it's his cruciate is gone again. Terrible news for the lad, feel so sorry for him.

ShamoBuc

Poor fella. I can only imagine how píssed off he is feeling right now.

rebel girl 15

As I had feared, cruciate gone for Colm. I seriously doubt that we will see him in a Cork jersey again, I completely believe that he will have the mental strength to come back from it, but because of the reoccurance rate, it would have to be seriously looked at whether he'll be back again. Gutted for him

Hidalgo

Thinkstoomuch wrote: »

Agree totally with cronin.Kelly was off target with a few but still destroyed Cronin.
The penney should drop now,2 games hes been exposed.The sad thing is hes a great player being made look awful.Prengerast and kelly are fine players,but their is a level above them.Donnellan or Burke will Crucify cronin.Or god help us if they put Joe on him.
Kilkenny with richie power would be the same.Joyces confidence must be destroyed after a good tipp game he was not trusted for Waterford or Clare.He needs games at 6,and has be denied 2 games to grow.Now he could be thrown in at the deep end.I think he will be the future no 6 but you coudnt fault him if he was shaky in the next game after not being trusted for the last two games.

With the way Clare line out with Kelly at centre forward, Cronin was between a rock and a hard place.
Kelly has pretty much license to roam from side to side and come deep if needs be. If Cronin followed him, that leaves a big hole in the centre and you run the risk of your full back line exposed.

That said, as an outsider I think Cronin is very effective @11 and that's where I'd have him

phkk

rebel girl 15 wrote: »

As I had feared, cruciate gone for Colm. I seriously doubt that we will see him in a Cork jersey again, I completely believe that he will have the mental strength to come back from it, but because of the reoccurance rate, it would have to be seriously looked at whether he'll be back again. Gutted for him

Janey, that's awful for poor Colm. Had my own ACL operation done and know all the pain, work, rehab required. Its a 12month job to get back to full fitness in my opinion. to do it twice, aaaahhhhhhhh! I can feel his pain. A class footballer too, will be a big loss to both club and county.