P_1 wrote: » Countless examples from working in a shoe shop, to be honest if I were to list the lot of them I'd end up going into a tirade.
Chemical Burn wrote: » Try the top three .. just to get the juices flowing
P_1 wrote: » Ok so, 1 - Sweltering day so I decide to wear a vest (wifebeater) to work, apparently that looked 'unprofessional' yet female staff were swanning around wearing half nothing. 2 - Apparently just because I'm male I couldn't cash up quickly 3 - Apparently I didn't have a clue about fashion
there are countless examples of sexism every day, I am constantly carrying stuff for women, moving things, doing physical jobs - none of the women call me a sexist for doing so, I just happen to be physically stronger than them
donfers wrote: » sexism exists, is it always a bad thing and damaging? no why? because the sexes are different first we must define it, does it mean treating the sexes differently? well then is that so bad, the sexes are different
donfers wrote: » there are countless examples of sexism every day, I am constantly carrying stuff for women, moving things, doing physical jobs - none of the women call me a sexist for doing so, I just happen to be physically stronger than them
cantdecide wrote: » http://corkindependent.com/20130207/news/girls-weekend-away-S58921.html Had a right rant about this in AH recently. Reverse the genders and you can be sure it wouldn't have been published...
tsiehta wrote: » If you're treating the sexes differently based on blanket generalizations/assumptions, without any consideration for an individual's traits, then that is sexism. For example:Carrying things for weaker people is not sexist. Assuming all women are weak, is.
donfers wrote: » and here we are, just a few posts into this thread and already the strawmen/strawpersons are appearing i don't assume all women are weak, it just so happens that the vast vast vast majority in my everyday environment are not as physically capable as me - I am sure there are women bodybuilders and athletes and others out there who are stronger than me that I don't run into every day but heh for the sake of brevity I choose not to add them as a little caveat or asterisk to every point I make to satisfy all the pedants out there who tend to present themselves in these types of discussions - i think it's called whataboutery and if debate were to cater for these type of people then debate would never begin now, as per the examples cited, have you considered that on many occassions it is the woman themselves who perpetuate the "I am weak/you are strong" thing - did that possibility cross your mind? I am certainly not the type who is going around like a white knight offering to help the poor helpless wimmins, I leave them to it most of the time, however on multiple occassions they directly request my help to carry, move, hang, install, attach something even though on the majority of these occassions my suspicion is they are perfectly able to do it themselves.......now what is a man to do in these situations "No, I am not helping you.....do it yourself" - misognysist pig they'll scream "Yes, ok then, let me help" - sexist pig they'll scream
tsiehta wrote: » Well that was a rant and a half. I didn't call you sexist, or say that you consider all women to be weaker than men, nor did I make any comment on who perpetuates gender stereotypes. I effectively said that what you were calling sexism in your post was not necessarily sexism. Lifting something for someone weaker than you is not sexism. Expecting not to have to lift anything solely based on your gender is sexism, and assuming that someone is not capable of lifting something based on their gender is also sexism. As such, I disagree with your assessment of what sexism is, and that it is fine and natural in some cases. Treating people differently because of their gender is sexism. Treating people differently based on individuals' genuine physical differences, which may be correlated on average with their gender, is not sexism. Perhaps you see this as pedantry, but I see it as a crucial distinction. By the way, while we're talking about strawpersons, I severely doubt that any woman has asked a man to help them lift something and then screamed "sexist pig" at him after he's lifted it for them. More on topic, I haven't really experienced much notable direct sexism. However, I feel indirect sexism in the form of societal gender policing. What I can wear, how I should behave, what forms of entertainment I can consume, what interests I can have etc.
Icemancometh wrote: » I answered the phone in work today (as a doctor on a ward in a hospital) by saying the name of the ward, and the hospital. The person at the other end asked to speak to a nurse. I could be a nurse. Disgraceful sexism.
jaffacakesyum wrote: » Not going to post too often in this thread as I don't want to step on people's toes, as a female. However, I've worked in hospitals before and have answered many a phone at the nurses station despite not being a nurse (:mad:) and the majority of the time the first thing people will ask is to speak to a nurse even though I'm female. And rightly so. You need to make sure you're talking to the right person there, doesn't matter if it's male or female who answers the phone you need to make it clear you want to speak to the nurse or the doctor or the psychologist or whoever. So in my opinion, that's not sexism at all.
Morag wrote: » I've seen it in playgrounds over the years, not so much recently but mutterings of "what he doing talk to that child' that child was his own he had brought to the play ground. Or Dad's pushing thier own on the swing and the child sitting besides asks for a push and the Dad being wary of doing so.
clairefontaine wrote: » I am female and I would never touch another person's child or push them on a swing. That is appropriate behaviour not specified to either gender.
P_1 wrote: » Ok I think not pushing a child on a swing if the child asks for a push while you're pushing your own child right beside them is a tad OTT.
