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Video of man caught trying to meet 15 year old for sex

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-5KNvuBtj0

I don't really know what to think of this. Obviously paedophiles should be stopped, but I don't feel its up to some dicks with a camera and youtube to do it.

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Tombi!

Grayson wrote: »

lets face it, that cameraman enjoys going online and pretending to be a 15 year old girl.

That's libel!
Sometimes it's a 14 year old girl. :pac:

tan11ie

Downlinz wrote: »

It's always funny how much society pleads for understanding and acceptance for psychological disorders like alcoholism, but for another disorder like pedophilia even if someone never acted upon it they are treated like the scourge of the earth. I can't imagine what it's like to have that disorder and those urges, it must be a very desolate and lonely place.

Who cares? They are the scourge of the Earth.

Catari Jaguar

About time To Catch a Predator idea caught on globally.

Tombi!

tan11ie wrote: »

Who cares? They are the scourge of the Earth.

How are they the scourge of the Earth?

Catari Jaguar

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

How are they the scourge of the Earth?

Yea, a paedophile isn't the same thing as a child molestor.

Imagine just being a normal guy going about your daily life but being attracted to children through no fault of your own. I would probably castrate myself or worse.

I was watching a human sexuality doc where they did tests on the brain patterns of convicted paedophiles/ ephebophiles (attraction to teen boys) and it showed that the sexual attraction they felt towards explicit pictures of women was the same as they felt towards a picture of a landscape.

They did another test that showed areas in the brain that activate when normal gay/hetero people see a baby or infant. In most "normal" brains the care giving, nurturing, protective receptors instinctively light up but in paedophiles the brain areas associated with sex light up instead. The hardwiring is very conflicting.

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Catari Jaguar wrote: »

I was watching a human sexuality doc where they did tests on the brain patterns of convicted paedophiles/ ephebophiles (attraction to teen boys) and it showed that the sexual attraction they felt towards explicit pictures of women was the same as they felt towards a picture of a landscape.

They did another test that showed areas in the brain that activate when normal gay/hetero people see a baby or infant. In most "normal" brains the care giving, nurturing, protective receptors instinctively light up but in paedophiles the brain areas associated with sex light up instead. The hardwiring is very conflicting.

That sounds like a special kind of hell, but plenty of people with no paraphilias go a lifetime without acting on their sexual urges, difficult as that might be, and it doesn't cause them to sexually offend.

Convicted child sex offenders have a surprisingly low reoffending rate. I mean that in a comparative sense of course.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=misunderstood-crimes

First, the notion that recidivism (repeat offending) is inevitable needs a second look. Recently sex crimes researcher Jill Levenson of Lynn University in Florida and her colleagues found that the average member of the general public believes that 75 percent of sex offenders will reoffend. This perception is consistent with media portrayals in such television programs as Law and Order: Special Victims Unit, in which sex offenders are almost always portrayed as chronic repeaters.

The evidence suggests otherwise. Sex crimes researchers R. Karl Hanson and Kelly E. Morton-Bourgon of Public Safety Canada conducted a large-scale meta-analysis (quantitative review) of recidivism rates among adult sex offenders. They found a rate of 14 percent over a period averaging five to six years. Recidivism rates increased over time, reaching 24 percent by 15 years. The figures are clearly out of alignment with the public’s more dire expectations.

My own thinking was in line with the public perception, I would have guessed a recidivism rate of 60+ %.

What I'm finding harder to discover is any kind of conclusion on how treatment affects reoffending rates, or what kinds of treatment options there are other than chemical castration or ongoing psychotherapy.

Not that I think being a 14 -24 + percent risk to children (there may be many crimes not detected or admitted to) are great odds to think about when releasing convicted offenders.

Catari Jaguar

Candie wrote: »

That sounds like a special kind of hell, but plenty of people with no paraphilias go a lifetime without acting on their sexual urges, difficult as that might be, and it doesn't cause them to sexually offend.

Oh yea I know that, I am always surprised that people just assume that paedophiles are the same thing as actually child abusers/molestors.

Grayson

Candie wrote: »

What I'm finding harder to discover is any kind of conclusion on how treatment affects reoffending rates, or what kinds of treatment options there are other than chemical castration or ongoing psychotherapy.

Not that I think being a 14 -24 + percent risk to children (there may be many crimes not detected or admitted to) are great odds to think about when releasing convicted offenders.

I don't know if it can be treated. I view it as a sexual preference like being gay. The people affected have no control over wether or not they actually feel these things. The difference for gay people is that they are attracted to adults.

I also remember reading a report about serial child abusers. A lot weren't actually paedophiles. As in they didn't have a generic sexual attraction to kids. That makes sense because people who are abused are more likely to be abusers. So you could have a straight guy who is a child abuser.

And it would mean that although therre is some crossover, A does not always imply B.

Bordet

Sort of off-topic, but relevant to a bunch of the posts above:

Louis Theroux did a documentary on a mandatory "mental hospital" in the US where they give "treatment" to some convicted child rapists after they've finished serving their sentence in prison. The idea is that when the patients are cured, they can be released.

But the thing is that the treatment never works. So paedophilia seems to be as natural and permanent for some people as homosexuality [or heterosexuality] is for others.

And obviously those guys shouldn't be released if they are a risk to others.

I also find it strange when people say "convicted paedophile" as if paedophilia were a crime.

m.j.w

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiCpyGDCY

Just watched this video, have no sympathy for the men getting caught but the two lads doing this seem to be arseholes!

The man arranged to meet a 14 year old girl in a posh hotel and brought aload of drink, the two lads tell him that if he lets them stay in the room and leaves them the drink they will blur out his image and distort his voice (which they dont do). Is this not some form of blackmail and is that illegal?

I dont know wether they are right or wrong to do this but they are not going about it the right way!

mikom

"We are journalists".

Yep, and I am an astronaut.

Lingua Franca

Morag wrote: »

But most of those countries have 'sweetheart' clauses that is the age of consent may be 14 if they are are with someone thier age or 2/3 years older but an adult having sex with a 14 year old can still be in trouble legally.

I wish more people knew this rather than tried to justify anything with "well, the age of consent in Xland is 12" or whatever.

wexfordman

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

I think it's still 12 in the Vatican City and some parts of North/South America, no? And I think there's only a handful of countries where it's 13.

I don't think a little thing like legal age would determined a few priests!

anhedonia

fatknacker wrote: »

How come internet paedos are often middle aged men? Is there some sort of sick switch that goes off once they're over the hill?

they are all middle aged men in trenchcoats with a hitler-esque tash.

Downlinz

tan11ie wrote: »

Who cares? They are the scourge of the Earth.

Disgraceful attitude, if they've never acted on their uncontrollable desires then they've done nothing wrong.

tan11ie

Downlinz wrote: »

Disgraceful attitude, if they've never acted on their uncontrollable desires then they've done nothing wrong.

By not acting on it, you mean by not doing anything physically to a child?

So do you believe they just go around undressing children with their eyes? Hang around schools?What do you think they do to curb their urge? nothing?

I suppose none of them indulge in watching child pornography......Nah of course not.

Tombi!

tan11ie wrote: »

By not acting on it, you mean by not doing anything physically to a child?

So do you believe they just go around undressing children with their eyes? Hang around schools?What do you think they do to curb their urge? nothing?

I suppose none of them indulge in watching child pornography......Nah of course not.

Question: let's saw I'm a pedophile and I decided to come forward and seek help before I hurt a child.

How many people do you think would like to see me dead or at least locked up for life without consideration for my life at all?

dickwod1

msg11 wrote: »

In Irish law, anyone under the age of 17 is a child.

Except when you turn 16 you have to pay adult fares on Dublin Bus.

softy2012

Whats the story with the lad making the video ??

It is awfull what this old bloke is doing, but who the hell is this guy ?

he works for the sun or what ??

he even gets in that he has an iPhone 5 ! ??

Tombi!

softy2012 wrote: »

Whats the story with the lad making the video ??

It is awfull what this old bloke is doing, but who the hell is this guy ?

he works for the sun or what ??

he even gets in that he has an iPhone 5 ! ??

Well, he has another video, about a man meeting (Well what the man thought) was a 14 year old girl.
I didn't watch it.

He made it quite clear that he does this to video them. And I reckon it's just to get some time on YouTube. The fact that he's at least 40 (as said in the video) and thinks trying to be the next Chris Hansen, makes him look like feckin' jackass TBH.

BorneTobyWilde

Celine Dion met her now husband when she was 12
He was 38
They became epic lovers
And still are to this day,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxoj-tDDIU

OnTheCouch

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Celine Dion met her now husband when she was 12
He was 38
They became epic lovers
And still are to this day,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pDxoj-tDDIU

While this was certainly an unconventional, and for many, slightly creepy method of forming a relationship, the fact remains that Celine Dion was well over the age of consent (and more importantly an adult) when they started going out. Your post gives the erroneous impression to those who do not know the full story that they started a relationship not long after they first met, which is not the case.

It is also unfair to compare the situation to the men in these videos, who are actively looking to meet up with underage girls for sexual relations, already knowing the girls' age.

Mince Pie

Not comfortable with the video being uploaded to youtube rather than given to the police. Just wondering have they thought of the repercussions on that mans children and grandchildren. Nice to see Grandpa on the internet with no actual charges brought against him.

Lone Stone

Its a bit dogy, i mean the guy this 40 year old guy is luring old men into park's under the guise that he is a young girl, reverse pedophile alert !

Tombi!

Lone Stone wrote: »

Its a bit dogy, i mean the guy this 40 year old guy is luring old men into park's under the guise that he is a young girl, reverse pedophile alert !

First it was the pedophiles, harassing the young kids, then it was the adults protecting the kids, so the pedophiles used lies to trick the kids and now we have the adults lying to the pedophiles.

I sense a thriller movie coming out soon.

Just Like Heaven

Such a pair of weirdos filming the videos.

johnwest288

Its a money making venture, If you can get a succesful youtube channel going the more views you get afaik Youtube will actually pay you :cool:
Surprised no-one else has started this before over here.
I might do the Irish Version Myself :cool:

harney

johnwest288 wrote: »

Its a money making venture, If you can get a succesful youtube channel going the more views you get afaik Youtube will actually pay you :cool:
Surprised no-one else has started this before over here.
I might do the Irish Version Myself :cool:

Be honest, for you it's more about pretending to be an underage girl offering herself up for sex than it is about making money from youtube :eek:

You sick b@stard!

Grayson

tan11ie wrote: »

By not acting on it, you mean by not doing anything physically to a child?

So do you believe they just go around undressing children with their eyes? Hang around schools?What do you think they do to curb their urge? nothing?

I suppose none of them indulge in watching child pornography......Nah of course not.

So you'd like to jail people for thought crimes? You have an argument with someone and think it'd be great to hit them. You don't hit them, because that would be wrong, but you do think it. Are you now guilty of assault?

And child pornography is wrong. Unless you're aware of some that was made without harming kids. But they are two separate things.

It's like comparing rape to pornography.

Grayson

OnTheCouch wrote: »

While this was certainly an unconventional, and for many, slightly creepy method of forming a relationship, the fact remains that Celine Dion was well over the age of consent (and more importantly an adult) when they started going out. Your post gives the erroneous impression to those who do not know the full story that they started a relationship not long after they first met, which is not the case.

It is also unfair to compare the situation to the men in these videos, who are actively looking to meet up with underage girls for sexual relations, already knowing the girls' age.

A few hundred years ago, it wouldn't have been considered that bad. But here's the thing, girls then were prepared for it. They would have been far more grown up than now. From birth, everyone knew that a girl was going to get married young, so their parents prepared them for that day.

Nowadays, people get married far later. We extend childhood. The fact is that an 18 year old today is probably as mature as a 13 year old back then. We extend childhood as long as possible (which isn't always a bad thing).

I'm sure out there, there are a few 15 year olds who are capable of being in an adult relationship. But lets face it, they're pretty rare and that's why the law is the way it is. It caters for the norm rather than the exception. The other option is to make everyone sit a maturity test before they are allowed have sex.