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Can't afford a night out? You're poor!

lazygal

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/a-quarter-of-population-cant-afford-winter-coat-or-night-out-with-friends-29068735.html

Is not being able to afford a night out really 'deprivation'?

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hardCopy

It seems newspapers will just reprint any press release they receive these days.

bedrock#1

awec wrote: »

No it couldn't ffs! This is exactly the sort of hysterical hyperbole that we see in these articles.

If I can't afford my weekly fillet steak am I poor?

If you can't afford ONE decent nutritious meal a week you are damn poor.
F8ck me I'm sure caviar has nutritional properties but it's ridiculous to use this as an example, quit trolling.

awec

I actually never have roast dinner come to think of it.

I've been living in poverty all this time!

lazygal

bedrock#1 wrote: »

So, maybe start with a starchy food (potato) and embellish with veg (beans/peppers/carrots/turnip) and add some meat (chicken/beef/pork) - You've just described a roast.

There's cheaper cuts of meat to be bought, like chicken thighs, mince, stewing beef etc, that work out way cheaper. I got eight chicken thighs in lidl, cost very little and got three dinners and a lunch out of them. I make a meatloaf with 500g mince which does dinner for two of us for three days. Costs hardly anything.

bedrock#1

pmcmahon wrote: »

I think you're missing the point that socialising doesn't need to cost money.

Really?

awec

bedrock#1 wrote: »

If you can't afford ONE decent nutritious meal a week you are damn poor.
F8ck me I'm sure caviar has nutritional properties but it's ridiculous to use this as an example, quit trolling.

It's a simple question.

I can't afford a weekly fillet steak, am I poor. I mean a fillet steak is nutritious.

You are completely missing the point, it is going way over your head. You appear to be under the delusion that a roast dinner is the only way to have a nutritious meal.

"If you can't afford one nutritious meal a week you are damn poor" is TOTALLY different to "if you can't afford a roast dinner you are damn poor". Completely different.

You can have a nutritious meal that costs a lot less than a roast. This point appears to have totally evaded you.

I never have roast dinner. Are you telling me I never have a nutritious meal?! :eek:

Celly Smunt

bedrock#1 wrote: »

Really?

Yes really.

[Deleted User]

fishy fishy wrote: »

social interaction is a necessary part of life. Not being able to go out once every couple of weeks or month won't mean that you are dirt poor, but it does mean that you are probably more likely to become depressed, stressed and your health will diminish.

I know for a fact that for the last few weeks the weather has been driving me crazy, rain, rain, rain. Thankfully I have the privilege of getting away for a week in the sun if I so chose. I cannot imagine how I would be if I could not actually go out for a night to blow of steam with my friends.

I really do think a lot (not all) of posters on this boards.ie are too young to actually understand life yet, or are still living at home with the parents footing the bills, and have not experienced real life yet. good luck to them.

That's really condescending. I've been financially independent for years. I spent a year living in London, one of the most expensive cities in the world, on little more than you get on the dole in Ireland. You don't need to go out and spend 6 euro on a pint to be happy. The same 6 euro will buy a pack of beers in the supermarket - go to a friend's house and have a great time there. This Celtic Tiger idea of a 'night out' where you spend 60 quid on drinks, 20 quid on a taxi home, 10 quid on a takeaway is bullsh*t. It's a complete waste of money.

fishy fishy

ShadowHearth wrote: »

I can't believe that they calling 20k eu per year to be near poverty levels!!! I came from a **** hole country in Eastern Europe and there 20k is a very very very good wage! Damn, I would kill for 20k after tax job even in Ireland. I am around at 11k eu per year after tax, after i got wage and hour cuts. I still manage to live a very decent life.
My misses earns about 20k per year and we find that her job pay is fantastic. So 15k per person in our family. I guess we are worse then those rich poverty bastards!

aren't you lucky - 30 K for you and your girlfriend. Average of 575 per week. Lovely. Now try adding a mortgage to that, a couple of kids, school fees, property tax, food and clothes, and all the other expenses that come with life - a different story then isn't it??? Don't judge others on your own experience.

Re. your **** hole country in Eastern Europe - that means nothing. We are dealing with Ireland and Irish expenses.

reprazant

bedrock#1 wrote: »

If you can't afford ONE decent nutritious meal a week you are damn poor.
F8ck me I'm sure caviar has nutritional properties but it's ridiculous to use this as an example, quit trolling.

So if I can't afford a nice silver side of beef, I am poor?

I am can quite easily have many decent nutritional meals through out the week for a lot less than a bloody roast.

Duggys Housemate

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

Yeah well I mean people drank in pubs in Dickensian times ffs, so it's a human right at this stage! I have to go to the pub on the reg, I live alone and it's a great outlet for chat with the regulars from the area.

This. I could go out when I was on the dole a few years ago. I could socialise as a student. If you can't socialise, reasonably, you are poor.

fishy fishy

pmcmahon wrote: »

I think you're missing the point that socialising doesn't need to cost money.

really? So your friends are all going for a couple of drinks. And you, being poor are expected to join them, but drink water? or drink nothing? That will do wonders for your self esteem. As I said, a lot of posters on here have no idea what life is about. :rolleyes:

Duggys Housemate

IzzyWizzy wrote: »

That's really condescending. I've been financially independent for years. I spent a year living in London, one of the most expensive cities in the world, on little more than you get on the dole in Ireland. You don't need to go out and spend 6 euro on a pint to be happy. The same 6 euro will buy a pack of beers in the supermarket - go to a friend's house and have a great time there. This Celtic Tiger idea of a 'night out' where you spend 60 quid on drinks, 20 quid on a taxi home, 10 quid on a takeaway is bullsh*t. It's a complete waste of money.

But that's not what the survey is about. It's about people not financially able to drink out in a local. Or have a meal out.

CreepingDeath

G Power wrote: »

we are social creatures so yes not being able to socialise without sacrificing some other essential for a week or two is certainly being poor in my mind

There's plenty of ways to socialise outside of the pub, including inviting people around for a cup of tea. If you're unemployed there might be walking groups / mother & toddler groups etc.

If your "friends" will only ever meet you in the pub, then they're not very good friends at all.

It's bad enough that the middle class/coping class have to financially carry all the unemployed, without having to pick up their bar tab as well.

awec

fishy fishy wrote: »

really? So your friends are all going for a couple of drinks. And you, being poor are expected to join them, but drink water? or drink nothing? That will do wonders for your self esteem. As I said, a lot of posters on here have no idea what life is about. :rolleyes:

Why does socialising mean you have to go for a couple of drinks?

You know you can invite people to your house? That's socialising. That costs you nothing.

Again, there is a delusion that people think socialising = spending a night in the pub.

fishy fishy

IzzyWizzy wrote: »

Well, what are they comparing it to? How the majority of people in the world live or how people in rich western countries live?

I personally don't consider not being able to afford a night out living in poverty. Pub and club prices in Ireland are absolutely ridiculous and if I moved back now, I'm sure I wouldn't be able to 'afford' it either. I'd struggle to buy a new winter coat every year, which is why I buy them second hand. Have a lovely Warehouse coat I picked up for a fiver in a charity shop. Another tenner for the dry cleaning and it's lasted me two years so far. I've never been able to buy new furniture - everything is second-hand, freecycled or given to us by friends. Am I living in poverty? It certainly doesn't feel like it to me, given that we have at least two holidays a year and eat out all the time.

I have no doubt that real poverty exists in Ireland. I also have no doubt that a lot of the people pleading poverty actually just can't manage money at all. I have relatives who are always 'poor', well no wonder when you're smoking 20 a day, have Sky and refuse to buy second-hand clothes because they're 'manky'.

what country are you writing this from? :roll eyes:

lazygal

fishy fishy wrote: »

really? So your friends are all going for a couple of drinks. And you, being poor are expected to join them, but drink water? or drink nothing? That will do wonders for your self esteem. As I said, a lot of posters on here have no idea what life is about. :rolleyes:

What is life all about then? Maybe you could enlighten us.

Celly Smunt

fishy fishy wrote: »

really? So your friends are all going for a couple of drinks. And you, being poor are expected to join them, but drink water? or drink nothing? That will do wonders for your self esteem. As I said, a lot of posters on here have no idea what life is about. :rolleyes:

Going to the pub isn't the be all and end all of socialising.Socialising in it's raw terms is mixing with people wouldn't you agree?,well what stops you mixing with your friends without alcohol?.I have an idea of what life is about,and it's not about getting pissed with your friends.

awec

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

But that's not what the survey is about. It's about people not financially able to drink out in a local. Or have a meal out.

The sense of entitlement in Ireland is shocking.

So you are saying now that if you can't go for drinks in the pub or out for meals you are poor?

Jesus fcukin wept.

Duggys Housemate

awec wrote: »

Why does socialising mean you have to go for a couple of drinks?

You know you can invite people to your house? That's socialising. That costs you nothing.

Again, there is a delusion that people think socialising = spending a night in the pub.

The survey was "going out". most people can afford to go out. Some - the bottom 22% - can't. That is by definition relative poverty.

[Deleted User]

I'm on the Dole - out of this I pay for my rent, bills, a loan, and food. Once this is done, I still have about €20-€30 a week to survive on. With no mortgage, kids, car, or things like that, this is plenty to survive on. Yes, it mean I don't get to go on a night out, but there's far more things to do that don't involve how expensive a night in a pub could be; meeting friends and visiting galleries, going to cafes, going for walks, heck, even going to see a movie. How people classify not being able to afford a night out as being poor is beyond me.

fishy fishy

lazygal wrote: »

There's cheaper cuts of meat to be bought, like chicken thighs, mince, stewing beef etc, that work out way cheaper. I got eight chicken thighs in lidl, cost very little and got three dinners and a lunch out of them. I make a meatloaf with 500g mince which does dinner for two of us for three days. Costs hardly anything.

you mean like the 8 horse burgers for two euro?? ya, sure let the "poor" eejits eat that - good enough for them - sure they're only a burden on society anyway. :rolleyes:

Duggys Housemate

awec wrote: »

The sense of entitlement in Ireland is shocking.

So you are saying now that if you can't go for drinks in the pub or out for meals you are poor?

Jesus fcukin wept.

Yes. That is what I am saying. People could drink out in the 19th century.

Duggys Housemate

boneyarsebogman wrote: »

I'm on the Dole - out of this I pay for my rent, bills, a loan, and food. Once this is done, I still have about €20-€30 a week to survive on. With no mortgage, kids, car, or things like that, this is plenty to survive on. Yes, it mean I don't get to go on a night out, but there's far more things to do that don't involve how expensive a night in a pub could be; meeting friends and visiting galleries, going to cafes, going for walks, heck, even going to see a movie. How people classify not being able to afford a night out as being poor is beyond me.

But.

You are poor.

Celly Smunt

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

Yes. That is what I am saying. People could drink out in the 19th century.

But couldn't afford proper sanitisation or many other life essentials.Especially in regard to Ireland.

--Kaiser--

What's a night out? I have friends who would spend 100 euro + on a night out. Personally I find this shocking

bedrock#1

awec wrote: »

It's a simple question.

I can't afford a weekly fillet steak, am I poor. I mean a fillet steak is nutritious.

You are completely missing the point, it is going way over your head. You appear to be under the delusion that a roast dinner is the only way to have a nutritious meal.

"If you can't afford one nutritious meal a week you are damn poor" is TOTALLY different to "if you can't afford a roast dinner you are damn poor". Completely different.

You can have a nutritious meal that costs a lot less than a roast. This point appears to have totally evaded you.

I never have roast dinner. Are you telling me I never have a nutritious meal?! :eek:

And what seems to evade you is that we are talking about "relative" deprivation. If you lived in a country where fillet steak was the common man's meal then yes you would be deprived if you could not afford one.

What you are confusing here is "measurable variables" which are essential for conducting empirical research and the actual roast dinner. You see, when conducting empirical research you can't have a million variables floating about because you'd never actually measure anything. The roast dinner "represents" or is a "conceptualisation" of a nutritious meal. Follow? Researchers need to "conceptualise" in order to study phenomenon. This "conceptualisation" is based on a number of criteria such as price, nutrition contained in, the relative spending power of the population. It's slightly more complicated then your fillet steak argument.

fishy fishy

IzzyWizzy wrote: »

That's really condescending. I've been financially independent for years. I spent a year living in London, one of the most expensive cities in the world, on little more than you get on the dole in Ireland. You don't need to go out and spend 6 euro on a pint to be happy. The same 6 euro will buy a pack of beers in the supermarket - go to a friend's house and have a great time there. This Celtic Tiger idea of a 'night out' where you spend 60 quid on drinks, 20 quid on a taxi home, 10 quid on a takeaway is bullsh*t. It's a complete waste of money.

if you read my posts it did say "not all" - so you are taking my post too personal if you are financially independent all these years.

Don't judge other peoples night out on what your night out is with taxi, takeaways and ten pints. Be reasonable. and stop being so judgmental. Peoples circumstances are all different - just because you are okay doesn't mean everyone is.

[Deleted User]

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

But.

You are poor.

I wouldn't consider myself as being poor. Someone who is poor struggles, I don't. With proper money management and limiting luxury items, it is easy to survive on €20-€30 per week.

reprazant

fishy fishy wrote: »

you mean like the 8 horse burgers for two euro?? ya, sure let the "poor" eejits eat that - good enough for them - sure they're only a burden on society anyway. :rolleyes:

You are either trolling or showing yourself up as having no idea about food and/or how to cook.

Cheap cuts of meat are not 8 burgers for a euro. They are the cheaper cuts of meat from a butcher, the ones that don't sell as much and that need more time to cook as they are tougher. They can also be the nicer tasting cuts as well.