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A 56-year-old British woman has been sentenced to death in Indonesia for drugs

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A 56-year-old British woman has been sentenced to death in Indonesia for drug trafficking.

Police said they found 4.8kg of cocaine in Lindsay Sandiford's suitcase

Lindsay Sandiford, who is originally from Redcar in Teesside, was arrested last May after police in Bali said they found 4.8kg of cocaine in the lining of her suitcase.

A spokeswoman for the Foreign and Commonwealth Office said: "We can confirm that a British national is facing the death penalty in Indonesia.
"We remain in close contact with that national and continue to provide consular assistance.

"The UK remains strongly opposed to the death penalty in all circumstances."

Sandiford was sentenced after being found guilty of violating the country's strict drug laws by the Denpasar District Court.

In the court's verdict, a judge panel headed by Amser Simanjuntak, concluded that Sandiford has damaged the image of Bali as a tourism destination and weakened the government's programme of drug annihilation.

The cocaine she smuggled was worth around US$2.5 million, the Associated Press reported.

Prosecutors had said during the trial last month that they were seeking a 15-year prison term, and not pursuing the maximum penalty for drug trafficking which is death.

Sandiford previously told the court she became involved only because "the lives of my children were in danger".

In her witness statement, she said: "I would like to begin by apologising to the Republic of Indonesia and the Indonesian people for my involvement.

"I would never have become involved in something like this but the lives of my children were in danger and I felt I had to protect them."

During the trial, Sandiford's lawyer read out a statement from her son in which he said: "I love my mother very much and have a very close relationship with her.

"I know that she would do anything to protect me. I cannot imagine what I would do if she was sentenced to death in relation to these charges."

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snubbleste

It's a [joe duffy]disgrace[/joe duffy]
Some court in some far-away land sentences a person to death for a capital offence and there is absolute outrage
yet
the third in line to the British throne admits he's taken someone's brother/nephew/son/uncle/father/grandfather without any court involvement and it is seen as 'acceptable' in the media.

pickarooney

Anyone wrote: »

If you cant respect another countries laws I'd suggest you stay where you are and not travel.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlEs9udOquE

Dravokivich

snubbleste wrote: »

It's a [joe duffy]disgrace[/joe duffy]
Some court in some far-away land sentences a person to death for a capital offence and there is absolute outrage
yet
the third in line to the British throne admits he's taken someone's brother/nephew/son/uncle/father/grandfather without any court involvement and it is seen as 'acceptable' in the media.

Isn't that meant to have been an "act of war?" You are not comparing like with like what so ever. You can say the same about anyone who has any military involvement. They aren't thugs such as those who'd be running these mules back and forth.

hyperborean

CreepingDeath wrote: »

Oh the naivety... think of how many murders, assaults, threats, gang warfare and corruption are behind the drugs trade on a daily basis worldwide.

Naivity? your all blase about someone being ended as punishment for drugs smuggling and you call me naive,

easy to say stupid on the internet but you really should get out more, dead is dead.

irishconvert

seamus wrote: »

We've spent far too long talking about the poor victimised drug addicts and the big evil drug pushers.

If people didn't want drugs, there'd be no market, there'd be no drug smugglers and pushers. For as long as people continue to want drugs, there will continue to be people who supply them. Kill the demand and you kill the supply. Kill the supply and all you do is build the demand, encouraging more people to try their hand at supplying.

That is a rediculous point of view. That's like saying we should not outlaw paedophilia as it will simply increase the demand. Nonsense. I guarantee if we start public executions for drug dealing in Ireland the drug will disappear from our streets very quickly.

Heroditas

biko wrote: »

“I would never have become involved in something like this but the lives of my children were in danger and I felt I had to protect them.”

I don't get this part, how were the children in danger?

Maybe something along the lines of "If you don't smuggle these drugs for us, we'll kill your son/daughter... and don't think of telling the cops or we'll get you"

harry Bailey esq

Grimreaper666 wrote: »

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time............ Death penalties are usually the punishment in places like this yet people still break the law. No excuses really.

while i would never advocate the death penalty,laws of said country must be enforced.the woman in question must have known that drugs of any kind,even small amounts of cannabis Will land you with severe penalties in Asian countries.death penalty?no. long sentence?yes.she knew the risk she was taking with this venture.

CrazyRabbit

hyperborean wrote: »

She stashed a bag (big as it was) of cocaine and tried to get it past customs. Hardly a fucking hanging offense now?

Savages is all they are, hanging people for murder or rape is one thing but for a few ks of powder........

Not to make light of rape or murder but generally...

Rape destroys 1 life.
Murder destroys 1 life + families life.
Drugs destroys many lives and leads to increases in other crimes commited by addicts.

So please don't trivialise it by saying it's just a few ks's of powder.

pickarooney

Heroditas wrote: »

Maybe something along the lines of "If you don't smuggle these drugs for us, we'll kill your son/daughter... and don't think of telling the cops or we'll get you"

Yeah, sounds plausible. I don't think many people would have to think twice about smuggling some coke in those circumstances.

Wibbs

irishconvert wrote: »

That is a rediculous point of view. That's like saying we should not outlaw paedophilia as it will simply increase the demand. Nonsense. I guarantee if we start public executions for drug dealing in Ireland the drug will disappear from our streets very quickly.

Mod of Islam might appear to call for public executions? Oh oh. :eek:

Yea like public executions worked in Europe to stop stealing and murder and rape and whatever crime you care to mention. Europe is more safe now than when public executions were a common thing. History has shown it doesn't work.

hyperborean

Haha, the same cadre of fools saying "kill the bitch" will be on here in a couple of days moaning about cannabis being illegal and how it is safer than water,

Internet warriors!

Wibbs

harry Bailey esq wrote: »

while i would never advocate the death penalty,laws of said country must be enforced.the woman in question must have known that drugs of any kind,even small amounts of cannabis Will land you with severe penalties in Asian countries.death penalty?no. long sentence?yes.she knew the risk she was taking with this venture.

Or maybe shes just not the full shilling brains wise? There are an awful lot of idiots around.

HowAreWe

irishconvert wrote: »

Are you talking about being merciless to all the victims of drug dealing and drug related crime.

I see her as a victim.

seamus

irishconvert wrote: »

That is a rediculous point of view. That's like saying we should not outlaw paedophilia as it will simply increase the demand.

What?

Nonsense. I guarantee if we start public executions for drug dealing in Ireland the drug will disappear from our streets very quickly.

I guarantee you it wouldn't. If the death penalty is so effective, then why are drugs so popular on the Indonesian party scene?

On the other hand if we start fining people €5k for any kind of drug possession and throwing them in jail for second and third offences, regardless of the quantity in possession, then the demand for drugs will hit the floor and the suppliers will move onto something else.

bucketybuck

hyperborean wrote: »

Haha, the same cadre of fools saying "kill the bitch" will be on here in a couple of days moaning about cannabis being illegal and how it is safer than water,

Internet warriors!

Strawman arguments are a piss poor way to get a point across.

srsly78

CreepingDeath wrote: »

I'm not sure how you can think that ?
Maybe I need to set a timeframe... pre-drugs era, say 1950's.
People could leave their doors unlocked, safe to walk the streets at night, no knife crime, young people were more well behaved.

Maybe you're thinking of vikings, countries being invaded etc ?

It's an interesting topic and of course the figures and methodology of the analysis are controversial. Check out the graph on pg 85 of the following for an example: http://www2.warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/history/postgraduate/ma_studies/mamodules/hi971/topics/interpersonal/long-term-historical-trends-of-violent-crime.pdf

Lots of people did drugs pre-1950s btw. In the 1800s cocaine and heroin were not illegal.

hollster2

CrazyRabbit wrote: »

Not to make light of rape or murder but generally...

Rape destroys 1 life.
Murder destroys 1 life + families life.
Drugs destroys many lives and leads to increases in other crimes commited by addicts.

So please don't trivialise it by saying it's just a few ks's of powder.

really good point crazy rabbit when you look at it through your point

Mint Sauce

pickarooney wrote: »

Not one comment on her remark that she did it because her kids' lives were in danger?
Do we know any more about that or should we just ignore it and laugh and point a bit more?

The original OP makes to reference to her kids, although the OP has not referenced it, so we dont know where the story comes from, although the picture used looks very tabloidly

The second thread created, now merged, came from the s*n, unless there is a more reliable source, I wont take too much of what they have to say, nor let it tug on my bleeding heart.

:rolleyes:

Plus, if it is anything to go by, the family obviously seemed to be in involved in matters they shouldn't have been involved in, could she have not just gone to the police if they were in danger.

xwave7000

hyperborean wrote: »

Haha, the same cadre of fools saying "kill the bitch" will be on here in a couple of days moaning about cannabis being illegal and how it is safer than water,

Internet warriors!

And you'll be on here crying about laws from another country that you have NO control over... same internet, different day..:cool:

davet82

irishconvert wrote: »

That is a rediculous point of view. That's like saying we should not outlaw paedophilia as it will simply increase the demand. Nonsense. I guarantee if we start public executions for drug dealing in Ireland the drug will disappear from our streets very quickly.

no its not like that at all, its about education and why people shouldn't take drugs is what he is saying, eliminate the demand and you will eliminate the problem, the punishment angle has failed miserably for last 50 years and you are right the death penalty works a treat as a deterent as seen in this case :rolleyes:

hyperborean

bucketybuck wrote: »

Strawman arguments are a piss poor way to get a point across.

Alway gives me a giggle when the kids learn new words,

This is after hours, you want to pretend you are clever go play in Politics or you could actually put some thought into the sentense of death being carried out on someone for being a drugs mule!

Were does it end? do we kill the users as well?

BraziliaNZ

davet82 wrote: »

no its not like that at all, its about education and why people shouldn't take drugs is what he is saying, eliminate the demand and you will eliminate the problem, the punishment angle has failed miserably for last 50 years and you are right the death penalty works a treat as a deterent as seen in this case :rolleyes:

But why shouldn't people take drugs? You should be allowed take them if you want. The problem is conservatism and religion etc. I know things wont change, and I guess you should try to respect other countries laws, but it doesn't make them right.

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mahonykid wrote: »

I would imagine its quality over quantity

Even 4.8 kilos of pure cocaine isn't worth 2.5 million US dollars

hollster2

irish-stew wrote: »

The original OP makes to reference to her kids, although the OP has not referenced it, so we dont know where the story comes from, although the picture used looks very tabloidly

I got it from the rte website.

crockholm

Wibbs wrote: »

Mod of Islam might appear to call for public executions? Oh oh. :eek: Yea like public executions worked in Europe to stop stealing and murder and rape and whatever crime you care to mention. Europe is more safe now than when public executions were a common thing. History has shown it doesn't work.

But realistically there is nothing that prevents murders,it is an atavistic trait we have, so using it as a claim that it doesn't prevent murders is myopic.
what it certainly does is limit the offenders chance to re-offend to 0%
not saying I agree with it, but certainly ambivilent

seamus

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

But why shouldn't people take drugs? You should be allowed take them if you want. The problem is conservatism and religion etc. I know things wont change, and I guess you should try to respect other countries laws, but it doesn't make them right.

Well there are other avenues, such as regulating and legalising drugs.

But the point still stands - supply is driven by demand. To tackle the drugs problem, you need to kill the demand. Whether that be through education, militant enforcement against users, or by legalisation and regulation.

For reference the "drugs problem" as I see it isn't that people take drugs, it's that the consequential effect of people taking drugs is the huge amounts of criminality and murders in the supply chain. The only way can effectively collapse this supply chain is to remove the demand.

Prohibition in the US is the poster child for this;

Rather than reducing crime, Prohibition had transformed the cities into battlegrounds between opposing bootlegging gangs. In a study of over 30 major U.S cities during the prohibition years of 1920 and 1921, the number of crimes increased by 24%. Additionally, theft and burglaries increased by 9%, homicide by 12.7%, assaults and battery rose by 13%, drug addiction by 44.6% and police department costs rose by 11.4%. This was largely the result of “black-market violence” as well as the diverting of law enforcement resources elsewhere. Despite the hope of the prohibitionist movement that the outlawing of alcohol would reduce crime, the reality was that the Volstead Act led to higher crime rates than were experienced prior to prohibition and the establishment of a black market dominated by criminal organizations.

bucketybuck

hyperborean wrote: »

Alway gives me a giggle when the kids learn new words,

This is after hours, you want to pretend you are clever go play in Politics or you could actually put some thought into the sentense of death being carried out on someone for being a drugs mule!

Were does it end? do we kill the users as well?

I'm sorry. I know you struggle with clever.

xwave7000

hyperborean wrote: »

Alway gives me a giggle when the kids learn new words,

This is after hours, you want to pretend you are clever go play in Politics or you could actually put some thought into the sentense of death being carried out on someone for being a drugs mule!

Were does it end? do we kill the users as well?

Realisitic argument out the window - let the madness commence!!

ejmaztec

I remember when she was first arrested. There was no sympathy from her old neighbours in Cheltenham because her house was a hive of anti-social behaviour and scumbags calling all hours of the day and night. They were glad to see the back of her and didn't give a toss about her being banged up in Indonesia.

BraziliaNZ

seamus wrote: »

Well there are other avenues, such as regulating and legalising drugs.

But the point still stands - supply is driven by demand. To tackle the drugs problem, you need to kill the demand. Whether that be through education, militant enforcement against users, or by legalisation and regulation.

For reference the "drugs problem" as I see it isn't that people take drugs, it's that the consequential effect of people taking drugs is the huge amounts of criminality and murders in the supply chain.

But why kill the demand? I know countless amounts of people who imbibe and they live normal lives. It's recreational most of the time for most people.