Colonialboy wrote: » I thought two of the best interviews regarding where we are in this whole circus were on Newstalk yesterday afternoon. Daniel Coyle who wrote 'The Secre Race' - Tyler Hamiltons account of doping and cover ups.... he made some great points. How it took many hours (200+) and months to get Tyler to admit to everything. That we cant expect Lance to sit there and for it all to come out at once. Its too big a story, plus the fact this happened years ago so facts figures dates all need to be checked. He spoke of how he witnessd Lance launch into a vicious tirade against Walsh when he presented drafts of an earlier book he wrote about Lance... think he spoke of how there was an vicious animal inside Lance and that that person hasnt gone away, and he saw bits of him being kept in check during the Oprah show. David Walsh spoke with great grace and dignity , I felt really sorry for him when speaking of his sons loss. Learnt alot about humanity listening to him. Himself and kimage are on the same side but have different styles. Didnt watch Part 2 until last night, I though Lance was credible on the emotion part , if you have kids I could empathise with the reaction I saw. I really think oprah did a great job, remember this was an interview not an investigation, if she went all out attack attack attack it would have been farce and he would have had his defenses up but she wormed inside him and we saw the character that he is. Its up to UCI,WADA etc to get him to spill the beans on the specifics. Its a great complex story, remember America can be a pretty brutal place, Id see parts of LA as a product of that society as much as a flawed individual. I thought it interesting how he said it snowballed, I never considered that, you know you win a TDF, and start fighting against the dope allegations, all riders do that fight against the first allegations and then everything grows gets 'momentum' and he had more allegations to fight but he had bigger weaponry to fight against them.
ashleey wrote: » If you want an idea of Lance in his bully persona then watch how he goes at Paul Kimmage:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZgns7CXeUI
Beasty wrote: » Walsh was on BBC radio this morning expressing some sympathy for Armstrong on the basis that he believes he has a personality disorder that drives him to do certain things. He mentioned that he thought that Lance approached the interview knowing he had to confess and show remorse, but when it came down to it he was unable to hide his underlying personality. I do think we will reach a stage where it is no longer beneficial to continue attacking Armstrong, but don't believe we are anywhere near there yet. When he's named names, repaid those he's defrauded, provided full co-operation to all the relevant authorities, then I think he may get some breaks. In the meantime though it's important to keep the pressure up.
opinion guy wrote: » Jaysus the expressions on the lads beside Lance are hysterical. They are like "Holy f**k, holy f**k is this really happeneing. Don't react. Show no emotion. Stare at the wall, stare at the wall. Blink....no don't blink.....blink.....ARGGHGHGHGHGHGGHHGHGG"
Colonialboy wrote: » I thought two of the best interviews regarding where we are in this whole circus were on Newstalk yesterday afternoon. SnippedDidnt watch Part 2 until last night, I though Lance was credible on the emotion part , if you have kids I could empathise with the reaction I saw. I really think oprah did a great job, remember this was an interview not an investigation, if she went all out attack attack attack it would have been farce and he would have had his defenses up but she wormed inside him and we saw the character that he is. Its up to UCI,WADA etc to get him to spill the beans on the specifics. Its a great complex story, remember America can be a pretty brutal place, Id see parts of LA as a product of that society as much as a flawed individual. I thought it interesting how he said it snowballed, I never considered that, you know you win a TDF, and start fighting against the dope allegations, all riders do that fight against the first allegations and then everything grows gets 'momentum' and he had more allegations to fight but he had bigger weaponry to fight against them.
Fr D Maugire wrote: » ... blah blah blah blah
Colonialboy wrote: » It seems to be all or nothing with you ... I think you need to reread my post again , just cos I said one part felt genuine to me doesnt mean I said he was always genuine, just cos I said there was a snowball effect doesnt mean I said everythign was the result of the snowball momentum... etc etc Your response seems to have invented some points that I never made . Your response has attributed a position to me on these points that I wouldnt hold so now not only would I have to debate these with you but Id first have togo thru painful back and forth posting to dissociate myself from statements and views that I never had in the first place but that youve ascribed to me .. no thanks so dont invent things Ive suppossedly said just so it gives you something to argue with me about. read what I wrote .. not what your bias is wanting you to believe I wrote.
Fr D Maugire wrote: » You guys really don't like having your posts analysed or questioned, do you. Also I think its funny that you think people shouldn't take your points and expand on them for the benefit of others and which is clearly appreciated by other posters.
Fez101 wrote: » I'm not going to excuse what Armstong did, but doping had been going on long before Armstrong ever turned a pedal, "la bomba" anyone? His major rivals of the era Pantani, Zulle, Ulrich et al were also "supplementing," doesn't make it right, but it was common place back then. Also the notion it was only the drugs that made him win is wrong, he was supremely talented and driven but a cheat nevertheless and a despicable bully. Simply vilifying Armstrong lets too many people of the hook, I doubt there was a clean win in any Grand tour from 1990 until Satre won the tour. Cycling needs to out all team bosses and medical staff who contributed, give them life time bans and move on, simply expunging Armstrong from the records is not enough. Also those who think EPO doping only occurred in cycling might want to look at when the majority of the fastest long distance running times were set and how far mo Farrah is off those times with all the modern training techniques and nutritional diets.
T-K-O wrote: » This is like our debate when you decided to make stuff up to suit your hate agenda towards Armstrong. This poster like myself is looking at the situation from all angles or as you put it expanding on the entire lance Armstrong debacle. For example, telling your kids that you are a cheat and have cheated your entire sporting life would not be pleasant for any person on the planet. Examples like that you ignore and accuse people of defending Armstrong. Yawn
Fr D Maugire wrote: » I'm sorry, were Pantani, Zulle, Ullrich somehow let of for their cheating. Poor Pantani ended up dead, Zulle spent a few nights in prison, was 'thoroughly searched' and served a ban. Ullrich was forced to retire early and was vilified in Germany. Just like Armstrong, none of them ever officially tested positive.
Beasty wrote: » Walsh was on BBC radio this morning expressing some sympathy for Armstrong on the basis that he believes he has a personality disorder that drives him to do certain things. He mentioned that he thought that Lance approached the interview knowing he had to confess and show remorse, but when it came down to it he was unable to hide his underlying personality.
letape wrote: » Yes but they kept their palmares and prize money. Ulrich at 39 is now also free to take part in organised events.
letape wrote: » Fr D Maugire - I was commenting on the cyclists you had listed - Pantani, Ullrich and Zulle. In my view all of these records should be wiped clean. The Gewiss team with Argentin, Berzin etc. And all the other winners of the era - Jalabert, Rominger, Chiappucci..... None of these guys deserve their place in the records of the sport.
petethedrummer wrote: » The real loser in all this is me. What reason do I have to post on boards now?
petethedrummer wrote: » Basso does make his in race power files available to the public though. Which is nice. Well, he used to I dunno if he still does. Edit: He still does: http://www.mapeisport.it/ivanbasso/Download.asp Edit2: And blood test results and VO2 Max test results. His Vo2 Max ranges from 73 to 83.
leftism wrote: » Interesting numbers there... For an elite athlete like Basso to be jumping +/- 5 mL.kg-1.min-1 over the course of their career is slightly unusual. In a 10 year career, my VO2max fluctuated by about +/- 2mL.kg-1.min-1 (68 to 72). Working in the lab now, i've been repeatedly tested the same guys for 4 years and i've never seen a 10mL jump in VO2max, especially when you are already a fully developed elite athlete. A significant loss of fat mass might shift the relative VO2max score, but we know thats not the case with Basso.
