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Mother jailed for not sending her three daughters to school

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A story from todays Indo.
http://www.independent.ie/national-news/mother-jailed-for-not-sending-her-three-daughters-to-school-3356650.html

A mother of three has been sent to jail for failing to ensure her children attended school, they had missed 36% of the Sept to December Term, it was not the first time that she had been in court over this.
There was no evidence of any kind of abuse or neglect other than she is too easy going on the kids, one of whom she claimed was being bullied.
Is sending her to jail really the answer? I'm not convinced it is myself, but what are your views?

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Tipsy McSwagger

Should have got detention instead.

StormWarrior

If she's in prison, who's looking after the kids and making sure they go to school now?

Boombastic

StormWarrior wrote: »

If she's in prison, who's looking after the kids and making sure they go to school now?

Their father?

conorhal

At the end of the day she was abusing her children. If you deny your children and education you steal their future. She needs to grow up and act like a parent or face the consequences.

Bummppd

Boombastic wrote: »

Their father?

And why wasn't he sent to jail? Why was the Mother solely responsible?

Andy!!

Sounds severe and counter-productive to me.

She should have stabbed a guy 30 times instead, that only gets you a suspended sentence in Ireland.

PinkFly

StormWarrior wrote: »

If she's in prison, who's looking after the kids and making sure they go to school now?

It takes two to make babies?

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conorhal wrote: »

At the end of the day she was abusing her children. If you deny your children and education you steal their future. She needs to grow up and act like a parent or face the consequences.

Couldnt agree more.

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Boombastic wrote: »

Their father?

A bench warrant has been issued for his arrest regarding his failure to attend court on the same charges.

Boombastic

Bummppd wrote: »

And why wasn't he sent to jail? Why was the Mother solely responsible?

It seems he is been looked for, so perhaps not minding the children.
From the article

Activating a previous suspended sentence for keeping her children at home, Judge David McHugh said her household was "chaotic".

A warrant was also issued for her husband when he failed to appear in Blanchardstown District Court to answer similar charges.

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conorhal wrote: »

At the end of the day she was abusing her children. If you deny your children and education you steal their future. She needs to grow up and act like a parent or face the consequences.

Cant agree that she was denying them an education, the evidence indicates they attended school the majority of the time but that she was too liberal in accepting their claims that they felt unwell.
I just wonder if state intervention through means other than prison might be more productive, social services etc.

hairyprincess

The judge had 'no hesitation' in sending her to jail, did the judge hesitate four a moment to think of the impact doing that would have on the children? Did hesitate for a moment to consider giving help to the family, i.e. social welfare supports, counselling perhaps for the mother to get to the root of the issue.

Pathetic. Goes to show families are not thought highly of

Bummppd

How long was she sentenced to?

Boombastic

Bummppd wrote: »

How long was she sentenced to?

28 days

ted1

hairyprincess wrote: »

The judge had 'no hesitation' in sending her to jail, did the judge hesitate four a moment to think of the impact doing that would have on the children? Did hesitate for a moment to consider giving help to the family, i.e. social welfare supports, counselling perhaps for the mother to get to the root of the issue.

Pathetic. Goes to show families are not thought highly of

The children ate being put first. The mother by not sending the kids to school is depriving them of the basic human rights and a chance of a good life, in my view she is unfit to be a mother

crybaby

hairyprincess wrote: »

The judge had 'no hesitation' in sending her to jail, did the judge hesitate four a moment to think of the impact doing that would have on the children? Did hesitate for a moment to consider giving help to the family, i.e. social welfare supports, counselling perhaps for the mother to get to the root of the issue.

Pathetic. Goes to show families are not thought highly of

Maybe the judge can raise the kids for her while she's off getting her free counselling for being a lazy cow.

kraggy

hairyprincess wrote: »

The judge had 'no hesitation' in sending her to jail, did the judge hesitate four a moment to think of the impact doing that would have on the children? Did hesitate for a moment to consider giving help to the family, i.e. social welfare supports, counselling perhaps for the mother to get to the root of the issue.

Pathetic. Goes to show families are not thought highly of

The judge was activating a previously given suspended sentence.

She was already in court for the same thing before and continued to allow her children to stay at home.

She deserves to be sent to prison. How many warnings do you think people should get?

gbee

conorhal wrote: »

At the end of the day she was abusing her children. If you deny your children and education you steal their future. She needs to grow up and act like a parent or face the consequences.

I'd could say the opposite in fact.

Children need to be free to grow themselves. School should encourage and stimulate. IMO, most schools merely brainwash the innocence and I think this is a bigger crime.

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crybaby wrote: »

Maybe the judge can raise the kids for her while she's off getting her free counselling for being a lazy cow.

Enlighten us, you are in possession of facts not know to the rest of us? Perhaps she needs to be compelled to attend counselling or parenting classes, perhaps she needs help with raising her kids, that doesn't automatically make her lazy or a "cow".
The childrens best interests should be at the heart of any state intervention, locking their mother up is hardly in their best interests. what do you suggest the state do?

Boombastic

gbee wrote: »

I'd could say the opposite in fact.

Children need to be free to grow themselves. School should encourage and stimulate. IMO, most schools merely brainwash the innocence and I think this is a bigger crime.

Plenty of time to grow and express themselves during the holidays. She could have home schooled them, if she was against the ethos of schooling.

conorhal

gbee wrote: »

I'd could say the opposite in fact.

Children need to be free to grow themselves. School should encourage and stimulate. IMO, most schools merely brainwash the innocence and I think this is a bigger crime.

Ah, stow the hippie BS. I suppose you imagine that during this time off they were exploring nature, reading, learning a new language from their neighbors, learning about life by sailing down the Mississippi on a raft with Huck Finn.... Na, they were probably sitting at home dossing on the X-Box after pulling a sickie, future NEDs in the making, with a parent that practices not so benign neglect.

the_syco

Anyone know how little they went to school last year?

Activating a previous suspended sentence for keeping her children at home

I'm guessing not a lot last year, and this is a kick up the arse to ensure they goto school this year.

gbee wrote: »

Children need to be free to grow themselves. School should encourage and stimulate. IMO, most schools merely brainwash the innocence and I think this is a bigger crime.

If let go, the kids will enter post-primary lacking some of the basics, and this would hinder any chance of them reaching any potential.

Rasheed

gbee wrote: »

I'd could say the opposite in fact.

Children need to be free to grow themselves. School should encourage and stimulate. IMO, most schools merely brainwash the innocence and I think this is a bigger crime.

Then take them out of school altogether and comply with home schooling rules and be done with it.

She was well aware if the rules and broke them more than once. I agree with the judge.
http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/education/the_irish_education_system/home_education.html

Rasheed

hairyprincess wrote: »

The judge had 'no hesitation' in sending her to jail, did the judge hesitate four a moment to think of the impact doing that would have on the children? Did hesitate for a moment to consider giving help to the family, i.e. social welfare supports, counselling perhaps for the mother to get to the root of the issue.

Pathetic. Goes to show families are not thought highly of

Social welfare support? There was no mention of financial problems.

As for counselling, I don't think it would help her 'liberal' ideas. She got her warning, she offended again, she was then punished.

token101

Why aren't the kids in care? This person obviously isn't fit to be a parent so just remove the kids and break this circle of **** parents raising feral kids who become **** parents.

Show Time

conorhal wrote: »

At the end of the day she was abusing her children. If you deny your children and education you steal their future. She needs to grow up and act like a parent or face the consequences.

Must be great to see things in just black and white.:rolleyes:

There has to be more to this story.

gbee

conorhal wrote: »

Ah, stow the hippie BS. I suppose you imagine that during this time off they were exploring nature, reading, learning a new language from their neighbors, learning about life by sailing down the Mississippi on a raft with Huck Finn.... Na, they were probably sitting at home dossing on the X-Box after pulling a sickie, future NEDs in the making, with a parent that practices not so benign neglect.

Sadly: QED.

conorhal

Show Time wrote: »

Must be great to see things in just black and white.:rolleyes:

There has to be more to this story.

Must there?

Yakult

Wheres the father in all of this? Is he not as responsible for their kids not attending school?
Also find it funny how she will probably serve more time behind bars than actual criminals.. Justice served Irish style.

Only bright side is now maybe the kids will be sent to priso.. I mean school!

Boombastic

Yakult wrote: »

Wheres the father in all of this?...........

On the run:)