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'Enough is Enough' - Lance Armstrong

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Armstrong Drops Fight Against Doping Charges

“There comes a point in every man’s life when he has to say, ‘Enough is enough,’ ” Armstrong said in a statement.

“The toll this has taken on my family, and my work for our foundation and on me leads me to where I am today — finished with this nonsense.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/24/sports/cycling/lance-armstrong-ends-fight-against-doping-charges-losing-his-7-tour-de-france-titles.html

Lance's decision means he will be stripped of his seven Tour titles, the bronze medal he won at the 2000 Olympics and all other titles, awards and money he won from August 1998 on.

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Lumen

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Splitting this interview in half was a serious mistake. I'll watch it tomorrow (I'll be out so I'll watch it after) because I'm interested, but given that the admission was done with in the first part, I imagine a lot of people won't bother. Why split it when the stuff I'd say the vast majority of the general public is really interested in is at the beginning of the first section?

Marketing wise it seems like a mistake.

No, it's a human interest story. The admission sets up the rest of the story.

longshanks

WumBuster wrote: »

He's about as believeable as an airtricity door salesman

They sell doors too?

But yeah, he seems to qualify every answer before he gives it and doesn't seem at all apologetic.

furiousox

Landis!

hatrickpatrick

Also, taking bets on how soon the first fan will suggest that he never really doped, and he's only admitting it now to mitigate his ban or something.
I'm telling you, this is going to become another "Elvis didn't really die" conspiracy theory after tonight

Zyzz

The Doprah interview.

E-P-Oprah.

hatrickpatrick

Lumen wrote: »

No, it's a human interest story. The admission sets up the rest of the story.

It does for me, and probably for most who've closely followed this, but all the same it seems to me that anyone with just a passing interest in the story probably won't stick around for a part 2, and I reckon they might have if it was just one long program instead of two shorter ones.

Just my opinion though, I've always been like that

I'm the kind of guy who'd have been perfectly happy to watch LotR as one movie for 10 hours in the cinema

8-10

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Splitting this interview in half was a serious mistake. I'll watch it tomorrow (I'll be out so I'll watch it after) because I'm interested, but given that the admission was done with in the first part, I imagine a lot of people won't bother. Why split it when the stuff I'd say the vast majority of the general public is really interested in is at the beginning of the first section?

Marketing wise it seems like a mistake.

I think you're overestimating the level of detailed knowledge the average person in America has about the story. I'd imagine for people outside the US, particularly here the people watching in the middle of the night, have a better starting point than the general public, in my opinion.

I wouldn't be surprised if the majority of people watching on their tv's this evening in America are hearing a lot of these stories and accusations for the first time. The detailed stuff I mean, outside of headline-type snippets.

goz83

I've never been into cycling. Only time I saw LA was in the dodge ball movie with Vince Vaughn. Looking at some of the OW interview, I can't believe how much he is lying. Look at his body language, its so tight and defensive, yet he keeps talking about attacking people. His lips are tight to hold in the truth and his tongue pressing out to unconsciously push damaging questions away. Very poorly prepared. Bad idea going on OW.

kmart6

Lovely she's going to ask about the twitpic of him and the jerseys!

furiousox

And thats the end of pt1.
Looks like tomorrow is about how it affected his family and livestrong

8-10

unkymo wrote: »

I'm in shock already, he admitted everything!

Except he really didn't

leftism

Not in the states its not....

Lumen

8-10 wrote: »

Except he really didn't

He admitted doping for his entire career up to 2005.

Whilst I don't think that gets him off the hook for further legal action, I don't believe it either.

Why would he stop completely?

Paully D

Some people saying it's over, I'm watching the OWN stream and it's not.

EDIT - Now it is.

retalivity

I missed it.
Gimme the gist...

Paully D

Same time tomorrow?

8-10

retalivity wrote: »

I missed it.
Gimme the gist...

Truth
Lies
Apology to Emma O'Reilly
Lies

And a million ad breaks, don't want the post to be too long

Neeson

What time does it begin tomorrow night?

AK333

Its will be replayed on the OWN stream - for the west coast of america. I missed the beginning, the exciting bit, so I'll hang on for that and be back again tomorrow for part 2

RobFowl

Right lets never speak about this night again! Feel like I've done something unclear. Lying in bed beside my sleeping wife yet feel like I've been cheating ;-)

8-10

RobFowl wrote: »

Right lets never speak about this night again! Feel like I've done something unclear. Lying in bed beside my sleeping wife yet feel like I've been cheating ;-)

I've looked up the definition of cheating.... :rolleyes:

unkymo

8-10 wrote: »

Except he really didn't

Not everything, i agree.

The first few minutes after he admitted he doped, I thought he might go a bit further and reveal all but he didn't. I was shocked when he actually admitted he doped at the start,I don't think anyone was excepting that.

superlav

Betty Andreu on CNN in tears.
"This is a guy who used to be my friend. He could have come clean. He says he didn't like the UCI? He owned the UCI. He said he didn't force his teammates to dope? That's a bunch of crap... I was willing to give him a chance, and this is how he responds."

http://live.velonews.com/Event/Armstrong_on_Oprah

boarddotie

Betsy Andreu is on with Anderson Cooper on CNN now (US). She is distraught that he did not come clean about the hospital incident. That he admitted plenty but not that and that he had the perfect chance. Why he wouldnt answer that question straight out is a mystery and of great anger to Andreu.

kerash

boarddotie

Former Lance personal assistant Mike Anderson on CNN says he didnt watch the interview because he knew Lance would be insincere and this was the wrong forum to do this anyway. Painful to hear his voice again, he said and makes no sense that he said he wasnt the kingpin in the USPS doping system.

8-10

unkymo wrote: »

Not everything, i agree.

The first few minutes after he admitted he doped, I thought he might go a bit further and reveal all but he didn't. I was shocked when he actually admitted he doped at the start,I don't think anyone was excepting that.

Yeah I agree. All downhill from there. Which probably suits a cyclist.

furiousox

boarddotie wrote: »

Betsy Andreu is on with Anderson Cooper on CNN now (US). She is distraught that he did not come clean about the hospital incident. That he admitted plenty but not that and that he had the perfect chance. Why he wouldnt answer that question straight out is a mystery and of great anger to Andreu.

Maybe for legal reasons or else the phone call to Betsy didn't go the way he wanted and it's a power thing.

kerash

Betsy is truly seething on CNN.

leftism

Lumen wrote: »

He admitted doping for his entire career up to 2005.

Whilst I don't think that gets him off the hook for further legal action, I don't believe it either.

Why would he stop completely?

There is no way he was clean in 2009. I could half believe it if he said he was clean in 2010. Like maybe he was riding his last tour just for the memories. But in 2009 he came back to try and win the Tour.

He said it himself,; doping was just like any other part of his training regime. "Air in the tyres, water in the bottles". If he seriously came back to win (which he clearly did), then by proxy he was doping. Its insulting our intelligence to deny doping in 09, especially when his blood passport results are "entirely consistent with blood manipulation".