gallag wrote: » Soulandform, I am starting to think you dont like the loyalists????
SoulandForm wrote: » Its not a matter mate of not liking them, I absolutely hate them.
SoulandForm wrote: » Its not a matter mate of not liking them, I absolutely hate them. That doesnt go for many people in or who vote for the DUP necessarily . The DUP is a lot more active than the UUP and on economic issues is a lot more left wing. There are a lot of reasons that people who are Protestant or from a Protestant background would vote for the DUP over the UUP.
junder wrote: » The only person I see expressing and facist sentiments is yourself, so what would you do to this community you dispise so much, if you had the chance
SoulandForm wrote: » Did you hear Naomi Long speak about "gate keepers" who claim to speak for Working class Unionist communities? Well I would remove the gatekeepers and the godfathers from their positions of power. These communities have some genuine and some over the top fears of the other side, as the other side has of them. I would try to deal constructively with that. An attack on Loyalism does not equal an attack on the unionist/Protestant working class. You only need to look at the rejection of PUP at the ballot box to see that.
junder wrote: » Alot of working class Protestants class themselves as loyalist
SoulandForm wrote: » At the end of the day more working class Protestants and those from a Protestant background vote for the Alliance than they do for the PUP.
junder wrote: » Evidence?
SoulandForm wrote: » Oh catch yourself- you look at the votes cast where and who gets elected and who doesnt. You know well its the truth.
junder wrote: » No alliance party mla's elected where I live, and Naomi only got east Belfast because iris couldn't keep her knickers on. Alliance party voters normally hail from cultra and would be middle class soft unionists
SoulandForm wrote: » Im sure they get more votes than the PUP get though. Naomi got elected because of her hard work and her genuine love of the people. As much as I strongly disagree with her about a lot she is good person.
junder wrote: » She got elected as a protest against Robinson, she won't get elected again
Happyman42 wrote: » I think anyone who saw the Nolan Show last night and seen and heard the leaders of this protest knows just what is happening here. The need for leadership has never been greater because frankly, the level of intelligence amongst those feeling 'victimised' is really not that high. . I have never seen anything quite so revealing as that show. The victim stuff they where coming out with just didn't make any sense, they couldn't see that their societal problems (lack of investment, educational oppurtunities etc) are experienced the world over AND by their peers in the nationalist community. Really sad. The anger and beligerence on display was also really sad, some of the audience almost looked like parodies. The NEVER, NEVER's and NO SURRENDERS at the end.:rolleyes: I certainly appreciate more the work the moderates have done in the face of this type of bile and unfiltered sense of victimhood.
Happyman42 wrote: » ... The need for leadership has never been greater because frankly, the level of intelligence amongst those feeling 'victimised' is really not that high.
Happyman42 wrote: » I have never seen anything quite so revealing as that show. The victim stuff they where coming out with just didn't make any sense, they couldn't see that their societal problems (lack of investment, educational oppurtunities etc) are experienced the world over AND by their peers in the nationalist community. Really sad. The anger and beligerence on display was also really sad, some of the audience almost looked like parodies. The NEVER, NEVER's and NO SURRENDERS at the end.:rolleyes:
Happyman42 wrote: » I certainly appreciate more the work the moderates have done in the face of this type of bile and unfiltered sense of victimhood.
Crooked Jack wrote: » I was just about to ask if anyone saw that shambles on Nolan last night. Fuckin hell I've never seen a balls up like it. They must have recruited the audience from the local UVF. I'd love to hear the opinions of an impartial observer on it because from what I could see Gerry kelly, David Ford, Conall McDavitt, the political commentator and yer man from Slugger O'Toole came across as the only people in the building with two brain cells to rub together. One goon in the audience told flat out lies about Ray McCreesh Park in Newry (why that was even brought up in the first place I have no idea) and was let away with it by Nolan.
Thomas_I wrote: » I guess that the place where you live might be a small village with a couple of roads, as to say you´re living in a remote area. Yes, some "middle class soft unionists" is what NI needs to get things improved and to bring the country towards a better future. At least such people are more inclined to compromises than the "die-hard" unionists you worship so much. Add some "middle class soft republicans" to them and many problems could be solved and with no fuss about the "Flag". Maybe the Alliance party is the better choice for a brighter future, but I also think that Martin McGuinness is a quite moderate man. I believe that he is capable to work with different people from different political backgrounds for a better NI on the basics of democracy. That comment refers to him as a person, not to SF in general.
junder wrote: » . If there is a unionist majorty that democratically votes to have the union flag flown 365 days s year, are you going to accept the democratic decision that you insist that unionist must accept now?
junder wrote: » Wrong, wrong and wrong, you should be careful about making assumptions. Ironic that you castigate somebody for a past on the bnp and yet hold up marring mcgunniess as a moderate, did he moderately order the deaths of people as Londonderry brigade oc?
junder wrote: » So explain to me Sinn Fein Vision of shared space, they talk about equality and creating shared environments but ignore an equality, diversity survay and vote to have the union flag removed,
junder wrote: » they talk about equality and creating shared environments but ignore an equality, diversity survay and vote to have a children's play park named after a ira terroist, what's the common denominator there?
junder wrote: » Moreover I'm still waiting to an answer to Oscar Bravos question ( you know the loyalist loving, republican hatinv west Brit or in other words an Irishman who dares question the ideals his country was founded on and what the Irish republican movement stands for) .
junder wrote: » If there is a unionist majorty that democratically votes to have the union flag flown 365 days s year, are you going to accept the democratic decision that you insist that unionist must accept now?
Crooked Jack wrote: » I dunno, he certainly wasnt charged for it if he did but sure hey, its grand to just go throwing around accusations on the internet isnt it? I'd also doubt if anybody ordered the "Londonderry" brigade of the IRA to do anything, I've certainly never heard of them. The Sinn Fein vision of a shared space for everyone is quite simple. Equalise or neutralise, both flags or no flags. I am constantly amazed that there are people who think this incredibly modest and moderate request is something to get riled up over. As for this equality and diversity survey you speak of, several of these were done over the years with fuck all of them getting any sort of meaningful response. Three people turned up to the last public meeting on the flag before all this shit kicked off. Nationalists are in the majority in Belfast City Council, they could have forced through the total removal of the flag but decided to compromise. Unionism could learn from Sinn Fein. BULL! Somebody on Nolan also spat out this lie. Firstly, that park issue is 11 years old, unionists just dragged it up as a convenient distraction. For the past 11 years not one unionist has given a flying fuck what anything in Newry is called, this sudden "offence" taken to a name a decade old is pretty transparent. As or the equality survey you speak of (dunno where youre getting these from) a consultation was carried out with the local community 11 years ago, the vast majority of whom wanted the park named after Ray McCreesh, a local hero. There was indeed and equality investigation carried out on it and the Equality Committee actually backed the naming of the park, which is why the SDLP and independents in Newry and Mourne council voted for it as well, it wasnt just SF. THose are the facts although no doubt that won't stop unionists from claiming otherwise. Havent seen it but I'll have a look for it and get back to you As someone else pointed out, where have you been for the past 90 years
junder wrote: » Wrong, wrong and wrong, you should be careful about making assumptions.
junder wrote: » Ironic that you castigate somebody for a past on the bnp and yet hold up marring mcgunniess as a moderate, did he moderately order the deaths of people as Londonderry brigade oc?
junder wrote: » So explain to me Sinn Fein Vision of shared space, they talk about equality and creating shared environments but ignore an equality, diversity survay and vote to have the union flag removed, they talk about equality and creating shared environments but ignore an equality, diversity survay and vote to have a children's play park named after a ira terroist, what's the common denominator there?
junder wrote: » Moreover I'm still waiting to an answer to Oscar Bravos question ( you know the loyalist loving, republican hatinv west Brit or in other words an Irishman who dares question the ideals his country was founded on and what the Irish republican movement stands for).
junder wrote: » The flag was up on city hall for 100 years and has only become an issue now. And no nationalists could not have forced through a vote. But hey what about answering Oscar bravos question
junder wrote: » And no nationalists could not have forced through a vote.
GRMA wrote: » Loyalists are being exploited like useful idiots yet again. Big orange drum is being beat to get Robinson or some other DUP head back as an MP instead of Long.
