the keen edge wrote: » Yeaaa, because the planet has never been warmer than it is now, just the same as sea levels have never been as high as they will be in ten years time.:rolleyes:
Oranage2 wrote: » I just can't believe how careless those cave men were to the ozone during the ice age. All this green house effect thing is a load of nonsense, just another tax to make the rich richer!
1ZRed wrote: » It actually amazes me how people believe this is all somehow natural and nothing at all to do with man's global activity. Conspiracy theories forum is thataway --->
1ZRed wrote: » It actually amazes me how people believe this is all somehow natural and nothing at all to do with man's global activity.
Duggy747 wrote: » You know the planet is doomed when Ireland has 3 nice days in a year.
the keen edge wrote: » Correct me if I've picked you up wrong, are you saying that climate change has only occurred since man's activities have gone global? I don't think your saying that. What are you saying exactly? And leave out the CT rubbish, it works both ways.
1ZRed wrote: » I didn't say that at all. With everything we are doing to the planet now like releasing tones and tones of Co2 into the atmosphere, deforesting the planet and basically changing environments to suit ourselves, we are the ones altering the composition of the atmosphere and thus warming it through that. Climate changes are natural -but slow, we are accelerating the current change through everything we are doing now with our disregard for the environment. Some people thinking that burning all the fossil fuels and cutting down the trees isn't going to have any effect on the planet in the grand scheme of things is small minded to me, especially if they say it's all purely natural. It's not, we're the ones doing it and changing things. That was my point.
Oranage2 wrote: » Good on you, throw in deforestation because you can't win your green house gas agreement, nobody believes deforestation is a good thing besides the people getting rich of it, also global warning does exist and its natural, nothing much to do with us.
1ZRed wrote: » Alright I'll leave it right out, no problem. But how do you not believe that releasing billions of tonnes into the atmosphere, by man, wouldn't do anything? Co2 traps heat and too much of it will trap more and more heat and cause the planet to warm. It's basic stuff you learn in school and a widely supported my the vast, vast majority of scientists to be true. So are you saying that humans unnaturally burning fossil fuels in such massive quantities as we do has absolutely no effect on the earth, it's just natural?
Matt_Trakker wrote: » Hold yer horses there, Jim Corr.
1ZRed wrote: » Co2 traps heat and too much of it will trap more and more heat and cause the planet to warm. It's basic stuff you learn in school and a widely supported my the vast, vast majority of scientists to be true.
Well I mean we are coming out of an ice age, or are technically in an interglacial period, so still in an ice age. No doubt excavating that much coal and oil and releasing it back into the atmosphere helps things along, but there is a large natural element to what's happening.
Aglomerado wrote: » 3 nice days? When were the other 2.5? :pac:
1ZRed wrote: » Alright I'll leave it right out, no problem. But how do you not believe that releasing billions of tonnes into the atmosphere, by man, wouldn't do anything? Co2 traps heat and too much of it will trap more and more heat and cause the planet to warm. It's basic stuff you learn in school and a widely supported my the vast, vast majority of scientists to be true. So are you saying that humans unnaturally burning fossil fuels in such massive quantities as we do has absolutely no effect on the earth, it's just natural? Edit: you could also bring methane (which is a far more effective gas at trapping heat, into account) and how intensive farming of cattle, among other animals, by man has contributed to much of this gas in the atmosphere. That is a natural process by those animals but it was unnatural to farm such massive quantities of livestock like that as there never would've been that many of it were not for human intervention, so ultimately it's unnatural.
