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Household Charge Mega-Thread [Part 3] Poll Reset

Micky Dolenz

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Ghandee

donalg1 wrote: »

Oh please do ghandee would love to see a post from me saying I support the CPA. Can't imagine you finding one though just ghandee making stuff up again true to form though.

You're alright, I'll let readers judge for themselves, it's all there, black and white, as clear as crystal.

(I especially like the post you got red carded for lol:pac:)

donalg1 wrote: »

In work and on boards all day tis well for some.

Mmm, well now, seeing as I'm employed in the private sector and work my own hours, I hardly think that it's any concern of yours how often, or when I post.

You might do me a favour though, look at my total post count, then look at when I joined boards.

Compare that then with your own history.

dxhound2005

spikethedog wrote: »

Yea, I changed that to "supporting" the tax.
Some laws are made to be broken, not all laws are correct, some things need to be challenged.

Some people break some tax laws and some of them get caught and appear on the Revenue lists. Some others probably get away with it, some dodgy offshore accounts should be easier to hide than a house.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html

Some people have got away with breaking the new tax laws but they will not be able to hide their houses forever.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/bills28/acts/2012/a5212.pdf

123.—Any local property tax, interest referred to in section 149 or
other monetary penalty amount which is due and unpaid by a liable
person shall be and remain a charge on the relevant residential property
to which it relates.

124.—Notwithstanding section 36 of the Statute of Limitations
1957, the charge referred to in section 123 shall continue to apply
without a time limit until such time as it is paid in full.

So some laws are made to be broken are they? That gives carte blanche to every criminal to use this argument to bring the country to anarchy. Which is the last thing the property owing classes should want to see happening. There is no inviolable right to own a piece of the earth and build a house on it, that only comes with a system of law and order. All the legitimate challenges have failed, wait until the next election and vote a Sinn Fein government to get rid of the tax.

Ghandee

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Some people break some tax laws and some of them get caught and appear on the Revenue lists. Some others probably get away with it, some dodgy offshore accounts should be easier to hide than a house.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html

Some people have got away with breaking the new tax laws but they will not be able to hide their houses forever.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/bills28/acts/2012/a5212.pdf

123.—Any local property tax, interest referred to in section 149 or
other monetary penalty amount which is due and unpaid by a liable
person shall be and remain a charge on the relevant residential property
to which it relates.

124.—Notwithstanding section 36 of the Statute of Limitations
1957, the charge referred to in section 123 shall continue to apply
without a time limit until such time as it is paid in full.

So some laws are made to be broken are they? That gives carte blanche to every criminal to use this argument to bring the country to anarchy. Which is the last thing the property owing classes should want to see happening. There is no inviolable right to own a piece of the earth and build a house on it, that only comes with a system of law and order. All the legitimate challenges have failed, wait until the next election and vote a Sinn Fein government to get rid of the tax.

Or a FF one, or an independent one, or a ULA one, or a socialist one, the way things are going, hell maybe even a labour one.

That only leaves one that supports it. And some Dublin based TDs aren't fully supportive of it either.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news.

spikethedog

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Some people break some tax laws and some of them get caught and appear on the Revenue lists. Some others probably get away with it, some dodgy offshore accounts should be easier to hide than a house.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html

Some people have got away with breaking the new tax laws but they will not be able to hide their houses forever.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/bills28/acts/2012/a5212.pdf

123.—Any local property tax, interest referred to in section 149 or
other monetary penalty amount which is due and unpaid by a liable
person shall be and remain a charge on the relevant residential property
to which it relates.

124.—Notwithstanding section 36 of the Statute of Limitations
1957, the charge referred to in section 123 shall continue to apply
without a time limit until such time as it is paid in full.

So some laws are made to be broken are they? That gives carte blanche to every criminal to use this argument to bring the country to anarchy. Which is the last thing the property owing classes should want to see happening. There is no inviolable right to own a piece of the earth and build a house on it, that only comes with a system of law and order. All the legitimate challenges have failed, wait until the next election and vote a Sinn Fein government to get rid of the tax.

Are you another one who has never broken a law?
We truly are the land of saints and scholars.
There's a lot more than Sinn Fein against this tax, half of fine gael and labour are too, only they're too cowardly to stand up and be counted. Fianna fail are against the tax, the independents are against the tax and somewhere around 600-700,000 people in the country haven't registered and are against the tax.

dxhound2005

spikethedog wrote: »

Are you another one who has never broken a law?
We truly are the land of saints and scholars.
There's a lot more than Sinn Fein against this tax, half of fine gael and labour are too, only they're too cowardly to stand up and be counted. Fianna fail are against the tax, the independents are against the tax and somewhere around 600-700,000 people in the country haven't registered and are against the tax.

Let's see what happens when Sinn Fein try to have it repealed.

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/22651

The only way to stop this tax is to repeal the Bill,” Sinn Féin leader Gerry Adams TD said in Dublin on Tuesday. “No other measures such as boycott or refusing to value your home will work. We need to build a campaign for the repeal of the Bill and that is where Sinn Féin is focused.”

Le_Dieux

donalg1 wrote: »

I'm not moaning about it I'm just pointing out the fact people having been making these silly claims for a year now. If it bothered me I wouldn't read it but it does make me laugh so ill keep reading and laughing.

Honestly D, there are lines repeated over and over, from both sides. Here we have only on this page someone saying they also never broke the law. Now, I'm not calling them a liar or not, all I am saying is that it has been said before ( not long ago if my memory serves me rightly). Does it bother me? No. Does it stop me reading comments? No

Just let it go, sure one can always ignore a specific post if need be.

On another note, where is LUGHA these days anyone?

donalg1

Ghandee wrote: »

You're alright, I'll let readers judge for themselves, it's all there, black and white, as clear as crystal.

(I especially like the post you got red carded for lol:pac:)

Mmm, well now, seeing as I'm employed in the private sector and work my own hours, I hardly think that it's any concern of yours how often, or when I post.

You might do me a favour though, look at my total post count, then look at when I joined boards.

Compare that then with your own history.

If its all there ghandee why can't you show me where I said I support the cpa. There must be something in the charter about not making stuff up about other members. I have lost count of the amount if times you have done this now. Do you think you could stop this?

I too work in the private sector ghandee and would never get away with spending time on the internet in work, I just mentioned its well for some to have such a cushy number.

In future can you stay on topic, stop making stuff up about me, grow up, and stop talking sh1te. Thanks. If you don't think you can manage this maybe you'd be better off not posting. Oh but then what would you do in work.

spikethedog

:rolleyes:

donalg1

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Where was your protest?

I didn't protest but also never claimed to be protesting. Unlike many here that claimed to be protesting while doing sfa.

Bullseye1

Those who have protested have been accused of being freeloaders and tax cheats even though they have paid plenty of taxes, vat, duty, stamp duty and probably have never claimed any social welfare. Go figure.

Then you have others who do **** all but blindly accept what their government make up. And ask nothing in return. Go figure.

donalg1

Bullseye1 wrote: »

Those who have protested have been accused of being freeloaders and tax cheats even though they have paid plenty of taxes, vat, duty, stamp duty and probably have never claimed any social welfare. Go figure.

Then you have others who do **** all but blindly accept what their government make up. And ask nothing in return. Go figure.

Well I have never accused anyone of being a freeloader for protesting. I have laughed at those that have claimed to be protesting while never going to a protest. I have a lot of respect for those that take time to actually attend protests.

Ghandee

donalg1 wrote: »

Well I have never accused anyone of being a freeloader for pretexting. I have laughed at those that have claimed to be protesting while never going to a protest. I have a lot of respect for those that take time to actually attend protests.

Cheers mate.

Bullseye1

This goes to the very heart of the waste in government spending. And instead of looking for proper change with genuine reform and removal of waste we have the pro side shouting at the top of their voices pay up and shut up. You have no right to know how your money is spend...cough...wasted.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/litany-of-waste-across-hse-laid-bare-as-721m-is-slashed-from-budget-3353780.html

spikethedog

Bullseye1 wrote: »

This goes to the very heart of the waste in government spending. And instead of looking for proper change with genuine reform and removal of waste we have the pro side shouting at the top of their voices pay up and shut up. You have no right to know how your money is spend...cough...wasted.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/litany-of-waste-across-hse-laid-bare-as-721m-is-slashed-from-budget-3353780.html

That's why they're trying to screw people for a property tax. More gravy please.....

K-9

Haven't read this thread in ages.

Cut out the personal stuff please, and yes, if you make a claim about a poster you should be able to point to a post to back it up, "have you stopped beating your wife?" type posts look very weak when it is very easy to prove a claim with the search facility on this site, the same facility the poster making the claim has already used to throw dirt.

bgrizzley

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Some people break some tax laws and some of them get caught and appear on the Revenue lists. Some others probably get away with it, some dodgy offshore accounts should be easier to hide than a house.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html

Some people have got away with breaking the new tax laws but they will not be able to hide their houses forever.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/bills28/acts/2012/a5212.pdf

123.—Any local property tax, interest referred to in section 149 or
other monetary penalty amount which is due and unpaid by a liable
person shall be and remain a charge on the relevant residential property
to which it relates.

124.—Notwithstanding section 36 of the Statute of Limitations
1957, the charge referred to in section 123 shall continue to apply
without a time limit until such time as it is paid in full.

So some laws are made to be broken are they? That gives carte blanche to every criminal to use this argument to bring the country to anarchy. Which is the last thing the property owing classes should want to see happening. There is no inviolable right to own a piece of the earth and build a house on it, that only comes with a system of law and order. All the legitimate challenges have failed, wait until the next election and vote a Sinn Fein government to get rid of the tax.

i wonder is the legislation still there from the last time Fianna Fail scrapped the property tax. did they legally have to undo it or is it possible to just ignore it?

dxhound2005

bgrizzley wrote: »

i wonder is the legislation still there from the last time Fianna Fail scrapped the property tax. did they legally have to undo it or is it possible to just ignore it?

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1978/en/act/pub/0035/index.html

LOCAL GOVERNMENT (FINANCIAL PROVISIONS) ACT, 1978

AN ACT TO PROVIDE FOR CERTAIN RELIEFS IN RELATION TO THE PAYMENT OF RATES, TO MAKE OTHER PROVISIONS WITH RESPECT OR IN RELATION TO RATES, TO MAKE PROVISIONS REGARDING LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND TO MAKE OTHER PROVISIONS CONNECTED WITH THE FOREGOING. [20th December, 1978]

One of the most disastrous bits of gombeen politics. I don't think there is another country in the world that abolished it's local property tax. This aberration could never continue.

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1978/en/act/pub/0035/index.html

LOCAL GOVERNMENT (FINANCIAL PROVISIONS) ACT, 1978

AN ACT TO PROVIDE FOR CERTAIN RELIEFS IN RELATION TO THE PAYMENT OF RATES, TO MAKE OTHER PROVISIONS WITH RESPECT OR IN RELATION TO RATES, TO MAKE PROVISIONS REGARDING LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND TO MAKE OTHER PROVISIONS CONNECTED WITH THE FOREGOING. [20th December, 1978]

One of the most disastrous bits of gombeen politics. I don't think there is another country in the world that abolished it's local property tax. This aberration could never continue.

I wonder did some people actually go out and celebrate the re-introduction of this unfair and unjust tax?

Aquarius34

dxhound2005 wrote: »

Some people break some tax laws and some of them get caught and appear on the Revenue lists. Some others probably get away with it, some dodgy offshore accounts should be easier to hide than a house.

http://www.revenue.ie/en/press/defaulters/index.html

Some people have got away with breaking the new tax laws but they will not be able to hide their houses forever.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/bills28/acts/2012/a5212.pdf

123.—Any local property tax, interest referred to in section 149 or
other monetary penalty amount which is due and unpaid by a liable
person shall be and remain a charge on the relevant residential property
to which it relates.

124.—Notwithstanding section 36 of the Statute of Limitations
1957, the charge referred to in section 123 shall continue to apply
without a time limit until such time as it is paid in full.

So some laws are made to be broken are they? That gives carte blanche to every criminal to use this argument to bring the country to anarchy. Which is the last thing the property owing classes should want to see happening. There is no inviolable right to own a piece of the earth and build a house on it, that only comes with a system of law and order. All the legitimate challenges have failed, wait until the next election and vote a Sinn Fein government to get rid of the tax.

I am getting ****ing sick of this ****. **** the tax, the system and the laws. It's all corrupt. The politicians are corrupt. The Revenue is corrupt. The law makers break the laws themselves. As long as I've lived I have never respect humans in authority, or trusted crocodile with my life.. I never have and ever will because the system humans work for is a corrupt system designed to only keep the rich been rich and the majority of the rest of us poor. It's a capitalist system.

There is a lot of people on this thread trying to ram all these tax laws and "legislation's" down our throat as if we have to abide by them and accept it.

We do not have to abide by any of them. We do not have to accept it. We are not owned by the elite and we do not have to work for the elite at all.

If you want more money, cut the politicians wages down to the minimum wage and I am sure you'll get a big jump in the money returned to the Revenue. But that isn't going to happen is it? There are not entitled to get as much as a penny from anyone. People are stone broke. They have turned this nation upside down and people are been evicted from the homes and up to their eyes in debt. The money didn't exactly fall down a well either. The banks/Elites/Cronies are holding it and trying to get as much blood and sweat out of the hard working people of this country. The recession didn't just happen by chance either. It was all orchestrated and planned to happen. It's all tactics used to keep us stuck in this hell of living for enslavement. They create problems, we react, and they come up with a solution and we all fall for it time and time again. This has got to stop.

Why am I repeating myself on this issue. Some of you are absolutely abraising to try continue this argument.

Aquarius34

The other argument I hear on this thread is if you don't pay your taxes you're breaking the law. Now that is hilarious.

The people who come up with these laws don't pay taxes. That's the reality. There are two systems here, one for the elite, and one for the slaves. This is dysfunctional. So when someone comes up to me with a "Legislation, contract, law on paper. I get the paper and rip it up. Why? I don't agree to any of it. I just do not adhere to it or accept it. I cannot stress enough the importance here that, people must learn to switch of from this mind control. Once you "agree" to their terms they have you.

The truth is, we don't have to agree to any of it.
We do not have to live as slaves on this world at all. We have free will. We have free choice and we are more powerful than we could ever even give ourselves credit for. The irony to all of this is, it's really that simple.

Do you agree to their terms?
Yes or no.

Do I want to pay this tax.
No. (that is my decisin)
If someone wants to be a slave and give another human money just for living in the house they built and brought themselves, by all mean go ahead, but I will say this much. That kind of carry on is very dysfunctional

tayto lover

People are being persecuted for working hard for their families and buying a decent home.
That cannot be right in any civilized country.

The people who commit crime, refuse to work, get council houses with small rents, don't pay for anything and who are offered the free grants get all the rewards while all the time being carried by the workers through their taxes.

The highest paid people in the country, the politicians, are also carried by the same people they are again trying to squeeze.

The Bankers, developers and speculators who cost the country billions are also being subsidised by the same people, the working taxpayer ????

Meanwhile the same politicians close hospitals, garda stations and post offices all over the country. Services needed by the taxpayers.

Madness, complete bloody madness.

dxhound2005

tayto lover wrote: »

People are being persecuted for working hard for their families and buying a decent home.
That cannot be right in any civilized country.

The people who commit crime, refuse to work, get council houses with small rents, don't pay for anything and who are offered the free grants get all the rewards while all the time being carried by the workers through their taxes.

The highest paid people in the country, the politicians, are also carried by the same people they are again trying to squeeze.

The Bankers, developers and speculators who cost the country billions are also being subsidised by the same people, the working taxpayer ????

Meanwhile the same politicians close hospitals, garda stations and post offices all over the country. Services needed by the taxpayers.

Madness, complete bloody madness.

People with persecution complexes think they are being persecuted.

Aquarius34

So we now understand, this system doesn't work at all then? So why are we supporting it? It's clearly evident that absolutely nothing in this system actually shows fairness, equality, justice, real opportunities, freedom or prosperity. The entire system is evil to the core. No matter what way you think about it or look at it, the same problem arises and comes up. The only startling fact now is, people are only "suddenly" waking up to this realization. There was never such thing as freedom on this world. Rome never fell, and Ireland most certainly did not gain it's independence from Britain/Rome/Whateveryouwanttocallit.

We believed in the illusion we have.
We believed in the illusion we have more freedom.
We believed in the illusion that we had freedom.
We believed in the illusion that we had free choice.
We believed in the illusion that we had more opportunities
We believed in the illusion that education freed us.
We believed in the illusion that having 23 different ice cream flavours gives us happiness.
We believed in the illusion that voting, will change things.
We believed in the illusion that politicians will save us.
We believed in the illusion that working hard, having a house, car, family and a good career would make us happy.
We believed in the illusion, that the police, the judges, the lawyers, the teachers, doctors and civil servants are there to guide and protect us.

Protect us from what exactly? The illusion?

We keep BELIEVING that the illusion will fix everything. It hasn't and it never will. In reality this system was designed to keep us all in the illusion and trapped here in debt all our entire lives.

So much for the illusion, wonder what would go through your heads at 85 thinking what con job this life was. What was I doing all this life long. What was I believing in? What was I doing this for? Something has to hit the fan. It has too. This has to crash, we have got to wake up out of this hell sooner or later. I only hope this ridiculous tax scam will wake people up and realise how much of a joke this all is.

Aquarius34

There is a great term humans have forgotten, and they all have it since birth.

Free will.

Am Chile

Watched Olivia Mitchell on primetime and listened to her complaining on the radio about the value based property tax being more expensive for people living in dublin, of course its gonna to be more expensive for people in dublin Olivia, its a value based property tax you voted for,seems to me she must be getting heat from people in her constituency and shes just feathering her own nest claiming a property tax is unfair on dublin people.

darkhorse

HabeasCorpus wrote: »

Good man Vincent, reminding Asshole he is earning over 100k plus perks. Asshole can only come up with having to pay property tax and extra 500 quid a year affecting him!!!! In a society where people have nothing, and are trying to scrape a fare to emigrate.

How is Asshole, thick and stumbling able to get a high wage, he cannot debate, he has nothing to offer. I am so enraged when I see these unintelligent incompetent creeps, unable to do anything except grab. Irish people are too easy allowing this.

In addition to what you(rightly)say, HC, this guy also brought up the deferral for home owners of a certain income, also owners in mortgage difficulty, which also proves what I have been saying on this forum from day one, which is, that the property tax, or lets call it what it really is, a Home Tax on the family home, is, plain and simple, more funds being screwed from the taxpayer to pay to banksters and bondholders. If it was going towards services, along with the myriad of taxes and levy's that we pay already, why then, I wonder, would they have the deferral system, as, the people on it could see themselves never having to pay a cent, but the home automatically reverts to goverment ownership on death(I am factoring in, a)The person with the deferral may live for another 30/40 years, b)This economies chances of picking up are becoming lesser and lesser with each tax and charge that is taken from people, as they won't have anything to spend in order to keep the economy going, therefore more and more business go to the wall. Just a vicious circle, and the government are trying their best to back us all into a corner. By the way, you are also correct about that guy, a grade 1 A**HOLE.

bgrizzley

dxhound2005 wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1978/en/act/pub/0035/index.html

LOCAL GOVERNMENT (FINANCIAL PROVISIONS) ACT, 1978

AN ACT TO PROVIDE FOR CERTAIN RELIEFS IN RELATION TO THE PAYMENT OF RATES, TO MAKE OTHER PROVISIONS WITH RESPECT OR IN RELATION TO RATES, TO MAKE PROVISIONS REGARDING LOCAL GOVERNMENT, AND TO MAKE OTHER PROVISIONS CONNECTED WITH THE FOREGOING. [20th December, 1978]

One of the most disastrous bits of gombeen politics. I don't think there is another country in the world that abolished it's local property tax. This aberration could never continue.

thanks but i was thinking more about the 1997 one that Fianna fail also abolished.
makes you wonder why FG bother...:(

tayto lover

dxhound2005 wrote: »

People with persecution complexes think they are being persecuted.

But are the statements true or false in your opinion?

bgrizzley

dxhound2005 wrote: »

People with persecution complexes think they are being persecuted.

lol, sounds kind of apt to me...
(i struckthrough the bits i thought didnt apply to FG (yet!!))

per·se·cute
[pur-si-kyoot]
verb (used with object), per·se·cut·ed, per·se·cut·ing. 1. to pursue with harassing or oppressive treatment, especially because of religion, race, or beliefs; harass persistently.

2. to annoy or trouble persistently.

Synonyms
1. afflict, torture, torment. 2. worry, badger, vex, bother, pester.

Hijpo

Its easier to fool people than convince them they have been fooled -Mark Twain