Mr CJ wrote: » Another thing to the donkeys re previous comments... the people who are fighting this are not free loaders/scroungers or anything of the sort and how dare you call them that. What differentiates you guys to us is that we have eyes connected to a functioning healthy brain with sense and can fully see and appreciate whats going on!! I myself have been employed for years (good job) worked myself up from sweeping floors and now I am self employed, I have no issue paying tax and other expenses its a necessity (which reminds me... funny stuff re road tax...comments from idiots saying "if you wont pay this would you choose not to pay road tax?" LAUGHING OUT LOUD I wont even comment on this) Anyway my point is enough is enough and the system has to be completely revamped all politicians should be kicked out and have no benefits they should be replaced by experts who have actually some knowledge of the area they are in also the time you see 2 or more cars parked in homes paid by the state where the occupants are on the social welfare who never worked a day in their lives going on holidays etc must come to an end!! Where in gods name is the incentive to work?? The money should be taken from them and given to the people out working contributing tax to the economy so then they can afford to keep their car next week and even perhaps go on a holiday... the whole system is fkd up and needs to be changed... sorry a little of topic. PS: Lets not forget this current system is still allowing Ahern to recieve his €150,000/yr... yes thats right the guy who helped fck the country up you might say he needs an income lol he already fkn has it from the International forrestry fund another 150k... and you guys still have no problem with the system... the insanity is mind blowing!!
Am Chile wrote: » A round of anti family home tax public meetings will begin nationwide in the near future,people who are opposed to the family home tax should try and attend as many public meetings as possbile, over the next six months protests will be required, I don,t think the old marching style protests will be enough, if people come out in numbers, Id call for to start blocking bridges, picketing tds homes who support the family home tax, occupy their constituency clinics, last but not least occupy revenue office buildings, posters who are opposed to the family home tax, besides not paying how far are most of you prepared to go on this issue ?
Le_Dieux wrote: » AC, I wonder do You, or anyone else, know the answer to this question?: I have been googling to find out if the Greeks/Portuguese/Spaniards/anyone else pays a HHC/PT?
barrackali wrote: » The majority paid the household charge, and eventually you will pay the h charge, property tax and penalties...you and the others will all end up paying. I don't pay my taxes so that others can evade them.
donalg1 wrote: » Not too far at all, maybe to an Internet Forum of some sort to mash the keyboard for a bit and claim to be "doing my bit"
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Spain and Portugal both have a longstanding property tax. Greece got one last year.
tayto lover wrote: » So what? I am sure we have loads of things they haven't.
spikethedog wrote: » The 70% figure that Hogan puts out is skewed by the fact that a large percentage of that figure were landlords with multiple properties. I seen one landlord with 190, yes 190 properties. The figure for 'ordinary' people with just a family home who have registered I would put at less than 50%.
bgrizzley wrote: » ah c'mon Spike, he was only a small landlord. look at this lad...http://www.independent.ie/national-news/one-landlord-pays-120000-in-property-tax-bill-for-400-homes-3203878.html
Aquarius34 wrote: » Bertie Ahern, has free transport, free international travel, free cars, 24 hour protection, bodyguards at his home for the rest of his life. He probably has more things paid for his high life. It just mind boggles me. Does he pay tax. No Will he pay property tax. No Would it make a difference if he did. No Politicians in this country are the highest paid in the world. What the hell is that about? I never believed in voting and this is exactly why. Has anyone ever been to the Dail? it's empty 3/4 of the year and more than half the politicians don't turn up when they are supposed too. Will I pay be paying property tax No Will I be paying Income tax Never agreed to paying income tax. Now I've simply had enough of all this shiit. I refuse to support the system and struggle. It's just not morally right for any being on this planet to support a system that actively enslaves them of their birthrights and destroys their freedom.
flutered wrote: » is aherne tax complaint?, answers on the back of a stamp please.
HabeasCorpus wrote: » I think the huge protests are showing a rising dissatisfaction with this culture of taxing the lower end to keep the fat cats fat and lazy. Irish people have been manipulated by fear, the media is largely to blame.However, when everything is stripped back to the last, then you see the fight in people. I think we are reaching the point now. If not over the Property Tax, this will build the pressure and it will erupt over another thing, maybe something smaller, like more cuts to carers or children's allowance. We are not a stupid people, as we are being treated. We are hard workers and trying to make the country do well. But I have seen more dissatisfaction in the last few months than ever before, even with CJ Haughy etc. It was always a second route to try Fine Gael for 'reform'. Now the Irish people are utterly disillusioned with the whole political system. For those in political life, this dissatisfaction building should be a red light. People have been despondent but after a time, they feel they have nothing to lose and one thing about the Irish, when it comes to it, they will fight. A revolution usually occurs when those at the top push too hard, disregard the populace by placing on them huge burdens of taxes, expecting them to carry all the blame of bad decisions. When there are Imelda Marcos' walking all over us in their Jimmy Choos. Revolt occurs when the ruling forces believe the people are so downtrodden they will become slaves and will not take back their power. People unit against oppression. How far are we from that? By the way, all these TDs have facebook pages where we can leave messages. I've just left one for Andrew Doyle, and I will be actively seeking out public representatives to bring up my grievances. It's time we did this, we pay them enough.
Ghandee wrote: » Maybe we should follow their example with duty on drink and smokes too? I was in Portugal in June/July last year, €1.50 a pint, 3 euro for twenty smokes. We should surely emulate all their taxation policies if we're to copy the property one.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Someone asked the question. I answered.
donalg1 wrote: » I have been reading the same stuff on here since last year. People talking about a tipping point, mass civil unrest, riots in the streets, burning buildings and more. And all this was supposed to have been coming in 2012, so if I am now reading that it is on its way this year I will take it with a pinch of salt.
Ghandee wrote: » I've been reading fake arguments as to why some of the people in favour of this tax now for the same length of time. Some folk even deny what sector they're employed in. Seeing as how this tax will go some way to supporting their salaries, they should stop playing the 'impartial' card.
Ghandee wrote: » Oops, what's this then? Regional rate The regional rate is set by Central Government. Income from the regional rate is used to meet the costs of providing services like: education health personal social services housing roads sewerage water http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/rates/money.asp I'm quite well read up on how the rates system works in the north, and what it pays for thanks very much.
Regional rate The regional rate is set by Central Government. Income from the regional rate is used to meet the costs of providing services like: education health personal social services housing roads sewerage water
Regional ratesWhat is the regional rate? The Department of Finance and Personnel set the regional rates as a contribution towards services provided by central government departments. Regional rates are the same throughout Northern Ireland.What does it pay for? Income from the regional rate is used to meet the costs of providing services like: education health personal social services housing roads sewerage water.
Three threads in, I'm surprised you didn't educate yourself though, instead of proclaiming to be knowledgeable on something you know nothing about.
View wrote: » All of which means, in the case of the RoI, in the absence of a "Surrey subsidy" for the services being provided by your local authority, people here will either: a) have to forego many of the services people take for granted in NI, or, b) have to put their hands in their pockets and pay either the current proposed local taxes or some other taxes (e.g. MUCH higher income tax).
View wrote: » Really? So, you of course spotted this, right?http://www.belfastcity.gov.uk/rates/regionalrates.asp In other words, the regional rate is a contribution legally required to be paid by council rate payers in NI to central government for the services it provides. Hence: a) most of the services you have repeatedly listed as being provided by local government in NI are not in fact provided by local government there at all as can be seen above, b) people in NI make a contribution from their rates to the services provided by their central government, just like we are required to make a contribution to the services our local government provides - yet, you laud them having to make a contribution, while you condemn us having to make a contribution - that is an utterly incoherent level of inconsistency. Since you bring up the finances of those services, a quick examination of the finances of the NI's government departments shows that the regional rate contribution amounts to a little over 1 pound out of every 15 pounds that the NI government gets in Public Income. Hence, the Regional Rate does NOT pay for those services listed above which are provided by the central government departments of NI. You might like to pretend it pays for them, it doesn't. Rather those services are almost entirely paid for out of "Receipts from the United Kingdom Government" (to quote the accounts) which account for 13.37 pounds out of every 15 pounds the NI government gets in public income. Given that both the UK population and UK income distribution is heavily skewed towards the SE of England then, as I said before, a large chunk of the monies being received from the UK government and being spent in NI on services such as those listed above ARE coming from people in places like Kent & Surrey. And, yes, those services can be good because they are being paid for with other people's monies rather than just those of people in NI. All of which means, in the case of the RoI, in the absence of a "Surrey subsidy" for the services being provided by your local authority, people here will either: a) have to forego many of the services people take for granted in NI, or, b) have to put their hands in their pockets and pay either the current proposed local taxes or some other taxes (e.g. MUCH higher income tax). And, since we were discussing them, that means the people of Foxrock are going to be paying for those services that DLR provides one way or another. Then again, the people of DLR have largely being paying up for the HHC, I believe, so maybe they - unlike you - accept that has to be done. Lastly, your comment: would be clever were it not the case that you seem to be incapable of distinguishing between the differing levels of government in NI, the services they provide and the sources of financing for those services.
donalg1 wrote: » And who might "they" be Ghandee? I dont know of many around here that are in favour of this tax, I cant imagine there would be too many people that would be happy paying more tax. And I would think that paying extra tax would mean that ones income is reduced.
barrackali wrote: » The above nonsense won't happen, it was all madness to think they could avoid the charge....isn't going to work out well for them. They seem to think "Don't Register"...well hello...they don't need 2...the revenue will have all the details they need to charge them. The Revenue now have access to their ESB/SKY/UPC and other utility company details, all those providers will be obliged to hand over the relevant information. The best thing is....they will have it deducted directly from their salaries if they refuse to pay up.
If the Revenue are relying on the Household Charge database to collect the Property Tax – they will have a big problem
Ghandee wrote: » 'They' would refer to people on this thread who have stated numerous times that they weren't public servants, yet they clearly are. Do you fall into that category Donal?
