dxhound2005 wrote: » She will not do anything for the likes of you when the Revenue come calling.
bgrizzley wrote: » jaysus DX that gave me the shivers, you make 'em sound like the Mafia...
dxhound2005 wrote: » She has form here, earlier in the thread the anti side tried to make us believe that her election poster from the 1990's was actually from 2011.http://irishelectionliterature.wordpress.com/2012/06/05/property-tax-is-unfair-and-inequitable-leaflet-from-olivia-mitchell-fine-gael-dublin-south/ So you can't accuse her of not opening her gob before but Enda has moved on and she hasn't. Or as you say the real reason just like Shortall and Keavney is that she needs to make the right noises to her electors, in her case in places like Foxrock. Unlike leafy South Belfast where a house worth millions pays the same as one worth £400,000 (the maximum cap) for the same services here the rate actually increases for houses over €1m with no cap. But it doesn't matter, it is just the usual stuff from the Sunday papers and will be forgotten in a week. She will not do anything for the likes of you when the Revenue come calling.
HabeasCorpus wrote: » Is there any organised group lobbying against this taxation of a person's home in particular? Really it will take marching and a show of force. It is coming to that time now. I have had enough. We have handed our power over to those who instead of leading, legislating for our welfare, are just abusing the Irish people. It isn't enough to complain and say one party is as bad as the other, the situation is serious. A lot of people are on the edge. In my area alone, there is a steady increase in suicide over the past few years, especially unemployed men. There is real hardship, desperation and suffering. We need dynamic intelligent people in the Dail. We need to shift those supporting unfair taxation, the squandering of the tax received, those who are directly benefiting from it. The Dail members will not stand by household charges, corruption in the system etc., if we en masse let them know we will remove our support over these matters. Colm Keaveney is an example of this.
the groutch wrote: » 9th of March is when this will all spill over, then all the newly elected TDs can ride off into the sunset with their guaranteed pensions.
HabeasCorpus wrote: » The 'Creaming It With Contempt' crew need the standard of pay (including, bonus, expenses, all the sneaky extras) to be revised and reduced. The inflated figures, were in the main, as a result of spiraling rates of pay in construction. These top civil servants, Board members, (E.G. of some of the many Boards apart from Banking and Finance: National Board of Review, Irish Horse Board, National Education Board, Irish Film Board etc etc), all the Government Advisors, Finance Committee, (also Union reps), the Bank employees, Lotto Board (a lot of these are the SAME people), the Charities - Asthma society need a good grounding with a relative pay and pension to their performance. There would be excellent savings in tax there. The Ministerial multiple pensions, and past Presidents' cost, Albert Reynolds' security etc etc. another saving. We all are aware of famous/infamous financial institutions who creamed off 'investments' and pension advice which was RUBBISH. One Bank actually advised people to set up accounts to avail of non domiciled perks, ILLEGAL!! but the ill advised people were in trouble, not the Bank. People have lost everything, even peace of mind for the future pension, but these highly paid parasites rest easy knowing they have lump sums of 1 million plus and huge pensions. Then they hide behind ...Past performance cannot guarantee future yields... Well they are/were paid very high salaries for their supposed precise, unparalleled experience. I could have advised much better, and in truth, the only time I read the Business Post is when I need to sleep. Or you could have put your money in the Post Office and still have it there. Also how many people know that 57 brand new Audi A6s were just purchased this year BY THE TAXPAYER, for the use of the Government. So they have no car expenses, most cases they don't even drive, we pay for a driver, why do they get travel allowance? Incidentally who was the person who got that sale of cars? Do we know anything about the negotiation, I wonder if it was a good friend of a Government member, or an advisor? The industrial wage, the construction wage has been decimated. Where is the proportional reduction in bureaucratic employees and the corresponding reduction in salary the rest of private enterprise (apart from IT) have suffered? Work itself has all but dried up for people at the bottom in construction, who worked very very hard and are now left bereft. The saving grace for the Government is emigration, rather, the safety valve. And we can't mention the growing elephant in the room of an influx of people here whose lives are being totally supported by the Irish taxpayer, we can NOT mention that. People are rightly incensed at the increased weight of taxation and austerity foisted upon them. The Household Charge is the last straw in these punitive cutbacks. I am mystified to hear of the Great Boom, and Fantastic LIves everyone had in, say 2005. I worked very hard then, saved tiny amounts through strict budgeting when I could, paid my way. Lots of people I know worked similarly for little reward throughout these Good Times. I am not buying into this Boom we supposedly all experienced, it passed me by, but it is a fallacy that a minority want us to believe - because THEY had it. I didn't spend 2,000 euro on a pair of shoes, yet every time I read about I hear references to that type of thing in 'How did we waste our money in the noughties'. Very few people did that. Anyway, what's to stop people at the top still drawing multiple large salaries still doing it? They still are. The Household charge is where I am drawing the line, I did not agree to the Bondholders being paid. I don't know why in all reason we need to pay a TV licence when RTE are running advertisements to pay their highly waged way, but I pay it. I pay all my taxes and am not a burden on the state, I don't require them to provide a house for me. They made plenty of tax from me buying and building this house. But I have seen what they do with all the tax they receive and am not paying more tax to them to waste. Send back the 57 Audis.
Le_Dieux wrote: » Fair point HC, but for me, now we have Siptu jumping on board. That's not on as far as I am concerned. They stood idly by over the past few years just making 'noise' while what You describe is steadily increasing. And now they want to organise protest marches over 'poverty' while at the same time, they still pay themselves exhorbitant salaries? What cheek!
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Ghandee wrote: » What services does the house in leafy Belfast receive in return for payment of their rates?
Ghandee wrote: » What services will a homeowner in Foxrock receive for paying their property tax?
View wrote: » Well, let's see, a quick scan of Belfast City Council shows they spend roughly 5 out of 6 pounds in two categories: 1) Leisure & Recreation 2) Environmental Services
View wrote: » 3) Road Transportation & Safety (the largest expenditure area)
View wrote: » 4) Water Services
View wrote: » 5) Housing & Building
View wrote: » And, unlike in South Belfast, the residents of Foxrock don't have to pay for Water with a separate Water Bill. Nor are the tax-payers of Kent & Surrey sending DLR large grants to pick up a huge chunk of the bill for Roads & Housing.
Aquarius34 wrote: » 295 pages and this thread is stil going on? What part of NO do people not understand. I am not paying for it. Get over it and move on.
barrackali wrote: » Good luck with that one
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » I don't think the entire 295 pages has been focussed on you in particular.
Ghandee wrote: » What about health and education? Emergency services? From DLR's accounts, as above PLUS: What Oh, so they're not going to bill us separately for water now after all? I've housed myself though, and I'm sure anyone else here the property tax applies to, either housed, or built themselves, so what your implying is, it will be used to build or provide housing for those folk who will be exempt from the charge (which makes sense :rolleyes:) Two things wrong with the above, the people in Foxrock, from next year will get a separate water bill. Folk in Belfast, do not. Read up on it view.
Aquarius34 wrote: » I am doing pretty ok
View wrote: » Well, it'll be interesting to see if Revenue "get over it and move on" - do let us know their response.
barrackali wrote: » Tell me that if at some point you try and sell your house, you won't be able to without a tax clearance certificate. And you won't get one of those without paying the Property tax. Also, let me know how you get on with a multitude of fines......you do know there will be penalties down the line.
HabeasCorpus wrote: I heard an American host show, trying to find the link, discussing visiting Ireland's colleges and they commented that some fine young students were so brainwashed saying how we HAD to pay the Bondholders.
View wrote: » I stand corrected on the water bill point regarding Belfast. All that means is that that service too is being heavily subsidised by tax-payers elsewhere in the UK. I also note that the NI Water site talks about water charges there being deferred - which implies this issue will re-surface shortly unless that is Mr Osborne is happy to keep a situation where he sends subsidy cheques to NI that he won't to his own constituency. All of which means that the residents of South Belfast, just like those of Foxrock, will probably face water charges within the next 10 years or so.
View wrote: » Hence 3 of the the 5 major services that DLR council provide to its residents are NOT provided by Belfast City council to its residents. Regarding your other points: 1) yes, DLR council do provide a Roads service and like all councils here it is their single biggest area of expenditure, 2) If you have an issue with Housing stand for election - both the Oireachtas and Council have made democratic decisions in favour of it. The Northern Ireland Housing Executive appears to handle that area in the North so it is not something unique to councils in the RoI.3) Schools in Belfast fall under the domain of BELB which gets its monies directly from the Dept of Education, so local council rates doesn't pay for it.
Regional rate The regional rate is set by Central Government. Income from the regional rate is used to meet the costs of providing services like: education health personal social services housing roads sewerage water
View wrote: » The annual reports of both DLR and Belfast City Council are available online. I suggest you follow your own advice and "read up on it", particularly the Expenditure and Income areas.
View wrote: » It is real easy for NI politicians to claim they are better
View wrote: » when in reality they are merely spending other people's taxes from the rest of the UK.
barrackali wrote: » Tell me that if at some point you try and sell your house, you won't be able to without a tax clearance certificate. And you won't get one of those without paying the Property tax.
barrackali wrote: » Also, let me know how you get on with a multitude of fines......you do know there will be penalties down the line.
Aquarius34 wrote: » This whole issue is so beyond the beyond ridiculous. What amazes me about all this corruption and nonsense, is the elite actually pay NOTHING. I say, bury this system and they all rot in to hell. To be threatened with fines for not paying taxes to the house you own already?. What the hell is going on in this country? What is this world coming too? We are treated worse than animals, we have less rights than animals have. It's just more and more tactics to try control people and keep people intoxicated by this greedy system. The greedy always want more. Enough is enough people. This is exactly why I am a conspiracy theorist. I don't fu*cking understand the logic in any of this shiit.
