jimmycrackcorm wrote: » What a load of crap. Nobody is forbidding anybody anything.
DoesNotCompute wrote: » But it costs money to treat it/distribute it/maintain the distibution network. You're more than welcome to drink the free, plentiful, flouride-free water that falls from the sky though. No-one's stopping you.
donalg1 wrote: » So in theory they could reduce to a non existant level i.e. a level that takes four hours to fill a cup water.
Slick50 wrote: » Well if enough people "moan" about our governments decisions, it will do good. They are our representatives, and are supposed to be influenced by public opinion.
And my point was you will be getting a personalised bill, with your name and address.
No it won't, not when it is handed over to local councils. What about when the market begins to improve, and house prices rise... but your income has remained the same or deteriorated. Besides, "legislators are there to legislate. "Once established it can change anytime.
So, like bad law, you just accept this, and hold no hope of ever changing it. Some people truly do deserve the government they get.
Hijpo wrote: » Can someone explain to him that there are no other avenues for Joe public to contend this tax or pretty much anything government decide to bring in. Vote for someone else, four years later, good one. Fastest, most combined effort is to not register.
donalg1 wrote: » ... although it does take more than moaning to have anything done about it, the HHC proves that, the amount of moaning about that on here alone, yet its still here.
donalg1 wrote: » Obviously but why you quoted that in response to my original post I dont know as it doesnt really have much to do with the facts I outlined in it.
donalg1 wrote: » Like I said it will be staying the same for the next few years until its handed over to the council.
donalg1 wrote: » I asked who is going to enforce these consequences, how does the above answer that?
donalg1 wrote: » I also outlined how politicians will no doubt get around said consequences if there were any which there never will be.
donalg1 wrote: » And what is you are doing to ensure politicians stick to their pre election promises, if you arent just accepting it.
Slick50 wrote: » No it isn't
For some reason you decided to lists facts about your circumstances re: the property tax, I just pointed out another very pertinent one.
It doesn't matter how many times you repeat it, it doesn't make it true.
If it is written into law, or put to referendum and added to our constitution, the civil service.... or "the revenue" that you seem to hold in such high regard.
It would make room for genuinely upfront politicians to stand out, without fear of being out "trumped" by bullsh*tters.
In this particular case, I have been out on the streets on numerous protest marches to voice my decent, I have made representations to my local FG and LB TD's. And I am willing to face prossecution, fines and whatever else they come up with to force this despicable law down our throats.
dvpower wrote: » That's basically what I said to those bastards down at Tesco :rolleyes:
donalg1 wrote: » Yes it is, or are you claiming that the HHC was defeated and those that didnt pay it are now free from paying it?
donalg1 wrote: » Yes the reason being that I hadnt given much thought to how Revenue were going to value my property because I figured that this would be extremely easy for them to do.
donalg1 wrote: » But it is true, and it doesnt matter how many times you claim it is going to increase over the next few years, because you claiming it will happen doesnt make it true. What have you based these claims on exactly?
donalg1 wrote: » Hang on so now you are saying that the Revenue or civil service are going to be responsible for making sure politicians stick to their pre election promises? Dont the Revenue and Civil Service answer to the Government, are you now saying that this should be reversed? How will this work?
donalg1 wrote: » Maybe but then how many genuinely upfront politicians are there?
donalg1 wrote: » And all your protests have achieved what exactly, like I said earlier the HHC isnt gone away, and the LPT will be introduced. So protesting to try and get politicians to live up to their pre election promises hasnt exactly worked so far.
donalg1 wrote: » And that is not a dig at you, at least you are out there protesting, its the others that sit around on here all day claiming to be protesting while actually doing nothing that are the ones I have a problem with and I am sure those that are out protesting would feel the same.
SIPTU General President, Jack O’Connor, has urged all union members to participate in a national “Day of Action against Austerity” on Saturday, 9th February, which is being organised by the Irish Congress of Trade Unions.
donalg1 wrote: » Well it is staying at current levels until 2016 so we know what it will be for the next few years anyway. QUOTE] Oh yeah, the government said that alright, so it must be gospel. They'd never to lie to us, would they?:eek:
bgrizzley wrote: » this is Ireland. if you cut down on your water consumption they will just increase your bill. you are a cash cow, nothing more
Am Chile wrote: » Some people have prob heard about siptus planned rallies in different towns in a few weeks-who here plans to attend ? plans not to attend ?http://www.siptu.ie/media/pressreleases2012/mainnews/fullstory_16864_en.html
Le_Dieux wrote: » AC, while I am all for planned marches, I honestly think JOC has a fcuking neck protesting...while on his crazy salary. ANYTHING SIPTU have their hands in, I'm not supporting them - sorry! Why am I so hard nosed about this? I was in construction up to 2009 when I was retrenched. The SIPTU shopsteward came out to us to tell us the doors were closing in a BRAND NEW MERC................ talk about hypocrisy!
Le_Dieux wrote: » Meanwhile, the potential fallout from these letters we are all ( supposedly ) get in March are going to be the source of a lot of controversy/court battles.http://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/property-mortgages/experts-warn-revenue-home-values-may-be-wildly-wrong-3346463.html
tayto lover wrote: » Rather than like the farmer with the well trained sheep. He only has to shout "come here and be fleeced" and they run to him :rolleyes:
darkhorse wrote: » What about this, tayto. It opened my eyes. What dia think. You may be wondering exactly what Direct Democracy is and how it works. Direct Democracy is a form of government that is said to be by the people, but also for the people. It is a type of government that the people will make the decisions for themselves rather than to have the decisions made by representatives. Another term used to describe Direct Democracy is pure democracy or “true” democracy.
tayto lover wrote: » Aw no. It's more like this --http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/162240/dictatorship[/QUOTE] That describes exactly what we have now.
THE Government's attempt to present a more optimistic outlook for 2013 has been rejected by the public, who remain in a mood of deep-rooted anxiety about the state of the country, according to a Sunday Independent/Millward Brown opinion poll. The nationwide poll has found that only a third of voters are confident that the Government will run its full term and almost half have doubts as to Labour's position and impact in Coalition. In response to the poll, the Labour chairman and dissident TD Colm Keaveney said Labour should remain in Government but "refuse to implement" policies that directly contradicted the party's "declared values" The poll has found a significant increase since November in the number of people who are worried that they will lose their job and home this year, as well as deep concern about the impact of the property tax when it is introduced in July This weekend there were indications that the Government may face a revolt by Fine Gael TDs from Dublin in relation to what they see as iniquities in the proposed property tax. . "This is not a property tax.This is nothing more than a revenue-raising exercise," said Dublin South TD Olivia Mitchell, adding: "I bitterly resent having to pay this because we are paying for the rest of the country."
bgrizzley wrote: » id love to know what Olivia means. my taxes pay for the subsidised bus/luas that stops outside her door, all those pretty parks, the pipework leaving and entering her house. the guys who clean her streets and keep it pretty. her salary! im pretty sick of paying for you Olivia!
Le_Dieux wrote: » My take is that I believe she has finally seen the writing on the wall and wants to cover her own árse, and no matter what she says, NO OTHER reason. If she WAS so concerned, why is she only opening her gob now? ALL politicians are ONLY thinking of themselves...for me, the only ones in the last few years who have shown ANY inkling for their electorate is Róisín Shortall and that Gentleman ( pardon me, I forget His name) in Meath who died recently ( and may He R.I.P.). The rest? Tsk!!!
