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David McKittrick; These protests are NOT over the flag.

SoulandForm

Given that he is from an Ulster Protestant background, hardly sympathetic to militant Republicanism and that this is appearing in a mainstream British newspaper I hope that those who have expressed veiled sympathy for the protesters or criticized the Alliance Party for reaching the compromise it did with Nationalism and Republicanism will pay attention to what he has to say.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/these-belfast-riots-arent-over-the-flag--but-the-creation-of-a-fairer-society-8444651.html

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karma_

junder wrote: »

Poor pet indeed, still, she's the one blocking the roads up here along with many like her.

It's a shame that it took the taking down of a single flag to provoke her into action when she and many others like her could have protested years ago about the absolutely abhorrent state school system that young protestants have to endure up here. And that's just one example. How long have the DUP been failing working class protestant communities now? Yet still voters ignore actual issues and vote for them in election after election.

The fact is this was a non-issue from the get go and the DUP have used this girl for political gain whilst failing her at the same time. If it wasn't so utterly pathetic it would be funny.

VinLieger

Loyalists are refusing to accept the new democracy they live in where they arent in power anymore and they have no one to blame but themselves tbh. As the OP's article states education is not a priority for alot of them so no wonder they are losing power.
They lost a democratic vote and refusing to accept that fact by burning their own cars and streets is not going to win them any support from anywhere.

junder

Chuck Stone wrote: »

And here's the problem right here folks. Not being allowed to dominate the north with symbols and unrestricted marching of 'the Queen's highways' is considered an assault on 'British identity'.

Well if moves towards parity and equality in the north is viewed as an assault on 'British identity' then you're not being very British. Unlike the British you speak of in the north the British (in Britian), on the whole, consider themselves a tolerant bunch who respect the democratic progress.

Is her identity so fragile that she feels threatened by the opinions of people she's never met that have no bearing on how she lives her day-to-day life? Poor pet.

Poor pet indeed, still, she's the one blocking the roads up here along with many like her.

Chuck Stone

junder wrote: »

Because she is fed up with the continued and systematic assault on the British identity not only are her symbols, but her culture is being denied

And here's the problem right here folks. Not being allowed to dominate the north with symbols and unrestricted marching of 'the Queen's highways' is considered an assault on 'British identity'.

Well if moves towards parity and equality in the north is viewed as an assault on 'British identity' then you're not being very British. Unlike the British you speak of in the north the British (in Britian), on the whole, consider themselves a tolerant bunch who respect the democratic progress.

she is not even allowed the dignity of defining her own cultural and national identity without idiots dictating to her that she is Irish because they say so

Is her identity so fragile that she feels threatened by the opinions of people she's never met that have no bearing on how she lives her day-to-day life? Poor pet.

karma_

Tea drinker wrote: »

I do not agree. surely all nations can fly their flag over gov buildings all the time. Perhaps we should lower the irish flag over Gov buildings here, in fact pretty apt given how solidly we have been defeated in Europe.

The flag does fly, on designated days. It hasn;t been banned you know. This was a council decision which brought the flag flying into line with that of Stormont.

Tea drinker

SoulandForm wrote: »

British culture is in no way being denied. There is no looming ban on following Manchester United, reading Shakespeare or eating fish and chips.

I do not agree. surely all nations can fly their flag over gov buildings all the time. Perhaps we should lower the irish flag over Gov buildings here, in fact pretty apt given how solidly we have been defeated in Europe.

the_syco

What I always remember is that many of the gaels who settled in NI were from Scotland (Scottish Gaels). Scotland is now looking to separate from the UK.

If the OO and locals riot down here in Dublin to fight, I wonder how hard it'll be to tell the english football shirt wearing Irish, from the english football shirt wearing loyalists?

The riots will be seen as a reason to avoid NI, and I wonder if those that don't know the politics behind the riots (eg; people not from RoI, NI, or the rest of the UK) will just see it as a continuation of the Troubles?

SoulandForm

junder wrote: »

Because she is fed up with the continued and systematic assault on the British identity, not only are her symbols, but her culture is being denied, she is not even allowed the dignity of defining her own cultural and national identity without idiots dictating to her that she is Irish because they say so

British culture is in no way being denied. There is no looming ban on following Manchester United, reading Shakespeare or eating fish and chips.

Are you telling us now that Loyal Ulster does not have a large strand of Gaelic blood in its veins and that the people who make it up havent been living in Ireland for centuries even if that wasnt the case? The fact is that we both know how people like her acted when they had the upper hand . We are only talking about balance here. That is all.

pablomakaveli

junder wrote: »

Because she is fed up with the continued and systematic assault on the British identity, not only are her symbols, but her culture is being denied, she is not even allowed the dignity of defining her own cultural and national identity without idiots dictating to her that she is Irish because they say so

Nationalists in NI have had to put up with that for a long time. A bit of compromise is only fair at the end of the day.

SoulandForm

https://mobile.twitter.com/Vota_Idiota/status/289766880871317504/photos

What "Loyal" Ulster acting the maggot means for ordinary people.

junder

SoulandForm wrote: »

Who is helping through her activity to deny other people the chance of having meaningful employment and dragging the place's reputation further through the dirt. You know her, why is she doing it junder?

Because she is fed up with the continued and systematic assault on the British identity, not only are her symbols, but her culture is being denied, she is not even allowed the dignity of defining her own cultural and national identity without idiots dictating to her that she is Irish because they say so

SoulandForm

junder wrote: »

So because he's a Protestant from Northern Ireland that automatically makes him an authority on the subject. Why doesn't he come down to the area I live in and speak to the employed women behind the protest, these women that are not on drugs or any other stereotypical social problem journalists like to attribute to my community.

Who is helping through her activity to deny other people the chance of having meaningful employment and dragging the place's reputation further through the dirt. You know her, why is she doing it junder?

FTA69

junder wrote: »

So because he's a Protestant from Northern Ireland that automatically makes him an authority on the subject. Why doesn't he come down to the area I live in and speak to the employed women behind the protest, these women that are not on drugs or any other stereotypical social problem journalists like to attribute to my community.

Northern Ireland remains a part of the United Kingdom, that's not in any danger whatsoever. The fact Loyalists would riot for days over something that's largely a non-issue indicates the ridiculous seige-mentality that Loyalism has more than anything else.

junder

SoulandForm wrote: »

Given that he is from an Ulster Protestant background, hardly sympathetic to militant Republicanism and that this is appearing in a mainstream British newspaper I hope that those who have expressed veiled sympathy for the protesters or criticized the Alliance Party for reaching the compromise it did with Nationalism and Republicanism will pay attention to what he has to say.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/these-belfast-riots-arent-over-the-flag--but-the-creation-of-a-fairer-society-8444651.html

So because he's a Protestant from Northern Ireland that automatically makes him an authority on the subject. Why doesn't he come down to the area I live in and speak to the employed women behind the protest, these women that are not on drugs or any other stereotypical social problem journalists like to attribute to my community.