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Gerry Conlon (Guildford Four) demands release of Marian Price

GRMA

"To think that a process of law is being usurped by politicians in order to hold a woman, without her lawyers being able to see the accusations against her, is an abuse of justice, it is a human rights' issue.

"If there is evidence to say someone has committed a crime it should be placed before the court, their lawyer should have access to it and the accusations should be made open and public.

"Justice has to be fair, open and transparent and that it is why I am here. It is not fair, it is not open and it is certainly not transparent."

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"If Marian Price has a charge to answer it should be done in an open court, the evidence should be made available to her lawyers, it should not be secretive, because where does it stop.

"This is supposed to be a society that is evolving, not regressing, this is internment by remand."

Read on:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-20960397

I'm glad to see that the campaign to end Marian Prices internment is gathering pace.

I think Mr Conlon raises some good points, what is happening to Marian Price is unfair and unjust.

The authorities cannot be allowed to get away with it.

If we're serious about a new shared future injustices like what happened to the Guildford four and like what is happening to a very ill Marian Price at the minute need to cease

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GRMA wrote: »

Read on:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-20960397

I'm glad to see that the campaign to end Marian Prices internment is gathering pace.

I think Mr Conlon raises some good points, what is happening to Marian Price is unfair and unjust.

The authorities cannot be allowed to get away with it.

If we're serious about a new shared future injustices like what happened to the Guildford four and like what is happening to a very ill Marian Price at the minute need to cease

She was only out on liciense, she should have stayed away from openly supporting terrorism and criminality. Well , let it be a lesson to all those out on liciense, stay clean or go back to jail.

Fratton Fred

If you are a convicted ira bomber, you only get released from prison if you support the peace process.

Marian Price obviously does not.

Tell me GRMA, you claim not to support the dissidents, so why are you so interested in Marian Price?

SoulandForm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If you are a convicted ira bomber, you only get released from prison if you support the peace process.

Marian Price obviously does not.

Tell me GRMA, you claim not to support the dissidents, so why are you so interested in Marian Price?

Outside of defensive actions I dont think the Provisional campaign should have been supported, but the torture of Provisional Volunteers by the British state I think should be of interest to anyone who lives in the UK or the Republic of Ireland. I certainly dont support the militarist dissidents but the conditions in Maghaberry in Northern Ireland and the use of the Special Criminal Court down here should concern us.

And what exactly does the word "dissident" mean? I dont support the GFA. Infact Im opposed to it. Yet I dont support shooting police men, etc. The whole term is used to paint all those Republicans who reject the failed GFA as out and out mad bombers.

RandomName2

GRMA wrote: »

Read on:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-foyle-west-20960397

I'm glad to see that the campaign to end Marian Prices internment is gathering pace.

I think Mr Conlon raises some good points, what is happening to Marian Price is unfair and unjust.

The authorities cannot be allowed to get away with it.

If we're serious about a new shared future injustices like what happened to the Guildford four and like what is happening to a very ill Marian Price at the minute need to cease

Is anybody claiming that her original conviction as a bomber is unsound?

Oh fwiw I think Sinn Fein supports her release. :pac:

GRMA

Fratton Fred wrote: »

If you are a convicted ira bomber, you only get released from prison if you support the peace process.

Marian Price obviously does not.

Tell me GRMA, you claim not to support the dissidents, so why are you so interested in Marian Price?

Same reason Sinn Féin and Gerry Conlon are

Fratton Fred

SoulandForm wrote: »

Outside of defensive actions I dont think the Provisional campaign should have been supported, but the torture of Provisional Volunteers by the British state I think should be of interest to anyone who lives in the UK or the Republic of Ireland. I certainly dont support the militarist dissidents but the conditions in Maghaberry in Northern Ireland and the use of the Special Criminal Court down here should concern us.

And what exactly does the word "dissident" mean? I dont support the GFA. Infact Im opposed to it. Yet I dont support shooting police men, etc. The whole term is used to paint all those Republicans who reject the failed GFA as out and out mad bombers.

the thing is, Marian Price IS a convicted mad bomber, so if she doesn't support the peace process, then she is a potential threat.

GRMA wrote: »

Same reason Sinn Féin and Gerry Conlon are

Here's an idea, why not try thinking for yourself for a change rather than what Sinn Fein tell you.

hyperborean

She received 2 life sentences for her terrorist activities, She got out early and didnt take her oppertunity to walk the path of peace....

So common sense means she goes back to prison to serve the remainder of her sentence,

End of,

Throw the key away, she obviously wont learn her lesson.

My real issue here is that she actually got out in the first place, she should have been left to rot with the rest of the convicted murderers and terrorists.

JustinDee

GRMA wrote: »

Same reason Sinn Féin and Gerry Conlon are

Hypocritical populism?

Dr Turk Turkelton

WileyCoyote wrote: »

She was only out on liciense, she should have stayed away from openly supporting terrorism and criminality. Well , let it be a lesson to all those out on liciense, stay clean or go back to jail.

Never thought I would see the day where I would agree with a post by WileyCoyote but it has happened.

I concur.

GRMA

JustinDee wrote: »

Hypocritical populism?

Yeah calling for her to be released is populism...

are you serious?

GRMA

Fratton Fred wrote: »

the thing is, Marian Price IS a convicted mad bomber, so if she doesn't support the peace process, then she is a potential threat.

Here's an idea, why not try thinking for yourself for a change rather than what Sinn Fein tell you.

She's very ill and has badly damaged joints, especially wrists. I doubt she would be up to making bombs or planting them, and I doubt she would want to.

Just because there is a possibility someone might do something they should be locked up? Mass internment in west belfast? You proud of your countries horrendous human rights record and routine judicial stitch ups over the years?

I do think for myself, thats a rather pathetic personal attack. I agree with their analysis that what has happened to her is wrong. Just because I think she should be released does not mean I support her politics or any group she is in, 32CSM or whatever. I also agree with the SP and the ULA on Marian Price.

gallag

GRMA wrote: »

She's very ill and has badly damaged joints, especially wrists. I doubt she would be up to making bombs or planting them, and I doubt she would want to.

Just because there is a possibility someone might do something they should be locked up? Mass internment in west belfast? You proud of your countries horrendous human rights record and routine judicial stitch ups over the years?

I do think for myself, thats a rather pathetic personal attack. I agree with their analysis that what has happened to her is wrong. Just because I think she should be released does not mean I support her politics or any group she is in, 32CSM or whatever. I also agree with the SP and the ULA on Marian Price.

She has dabbled in bombs before and likes to incite hatred and encourage the armed struggle to continue. I dont want her free in my country. I would also hold this opinion if she was uvf/uda etc but something tells me you would not be calling for her freedom then?

Fratton Fred

GRMA wrote: »

She's very ill and has badly damaged joints, especially wrists. I doubt she would be up to making bombs or planting them, and I doubt she would want to.

Just because there is a possibility someone might do something they should be locked up? Mass internment in west belfast? You proud of your countries horrendous human rights record and routine judicial stitch ups over the years?

I do think for myself, thats a rather pathetic personal attack. I agree with their analysis that what has happened to her is wrong. Just because I think she should be released does not mean I support her politics or any group she is in, 32CSM or whatever. I also agree with the SP and the ULA on Marian Price.

it's amazing the number of people who have had their licences revoked that suddenly become "Ill". Just because she is not capable of making a bomb, I am sure she is more than capable of acting as a front for dissident republicans, or even passing on a bit of knowledge on how to make a few hundred kilos of fertiliser go bang.

She hasn't been locked up because there is a possibility she could do something, she did do something, she planted bombs that killed one man and injured hundreds more. She is currently serving a sentence for that but was allowed out under certain conditions. Conditions she has chosen to break.

why would Sinn Fein support a woman who has publicly denounced the peace process?

Maybe because she knows where the bodies are buried..http://www.argus.ie/news/adams-rejects-claims-that-he-sanctioned-old-bailey-bombing-3245665.html

JustinDee

GRMA wrote: »

Yeah calling for her to be released is populism...
are you serious?

Yes, I'm serious. She opposes the Shinners and they oppose who she stands for.
That's why.

GRMA

But how is it populist? Surely it would be more popular not to do anything?

Gallag, yes I would call for the release if a loyalist was in the same position.

I've tried to find out if any are but I dont know of any. if you do please say so.

Fred, they are calling for her release because they think her imprisonment is wrong. They have explained why many times. As have people like Clare Daly and now Gerry Conlon.

Nothing to do with bodies ffs, do you really think that?

Fratton Fred

GRMA wrote: »

Fred, they are calling for her release because they think her imprisonment is wrong. They have explained why many times. As have people like Clare Daly and now Gerry Conlon.

Nothing to do with bodies ffs, do you really think that?

Gerry Conlon has made a living out of being one of the Guildford four (in fairness, he is entitled to whatever he can get after losing half his life in prison) and is an ideal mouth piece when someone needs to shout about the nasty British justice system.

Clare Daly? who is she, ah yes, she is North Dublin's Richard Boyd Barrett. You want someone to protest, she's your girl.

Sinn Fein? because it is something for them to shout about and shows their "Grass Roots" that they are still anti British etc. It is also a nice way of keeping an ex comrade on side, in case, like her sister, Marian decides to talk to the press about her past life.

Marian Price is an embarrassment to the modern republican cause, but "New" Sinn Fein still isn't able to caste off the baggage of its past.

JustinDee

GRMA wrote: »

But how is it populist? Surely it would be more popular not to do anything?

There are a number of interpretations attempting to define the word 'populism'. I don't think you're getting any of them. The tack I have in mind is that of Stephen Cohen. This relates to their associating themselves, without commital, to a cause-du-jour with the aim of appearing even-handed and fair.

SoulandForm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Clare Daly? who is she, ah yes, she is North Dublin's Richard Boyd Barrett. You want someone to protest, she's your girl.

Marian Price is an embarrassment to the modern republican cause, but "New" Sinn Fein still isn't able to caste off the baggage of its past.

There are important differences between Clare Daly and Richard Boyd Barrett; one of them being that she believes in a union of Ireland and the British mainland , but one under a Republican and Socialist system, which makes her actually a left wing Unionist unlike say PUP who pretend to be that while at the same oozing love for the Queen and her Army.

Also what exactly do you mean by the modern Republican cause?

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

She has dabbled in bombs before and likes to incite hatred and encourage the armed struggle to continue. I dont want her free in my country. I would also hold this opinion if she was uvf/uda etc but something tells me you would not be calling for her freedom then?

Her treatment though is just giving fuel to those on the Republican side who believe in continuing armed struggle.

GRMA

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Gerry Conlon has made a living out of being one of the Guildford four (in fairness, he is entitled to whatever he can get after losing half his life in prison) and is an ideal mouth piece when someone needs to shout about the nasty British justice system.

Clare Daly? who is she, ah yes, she is North Dublin's Richard Boyd Barrett. You want someone to protest, she's your girl.

Sinn Fein? because it is something for them to shout about and shows their "Grass Roots" that they are still anti British etc. It is also a nice way of keeping an ex comrade on side, in case, like her sister, Marian decides to talk to the press about her past life.

Marian Price is an embarrassment to the modern republican cause, but "New" Sinn Fein still isn't able to caste off the baggage of its past.

She's hardly on side considering she hates them and wont even meet them.

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

Her treatment though is just giving fuel to those on the Republican side who believe in continuing armed struggle.

Probaly best we let her out, appoligise and mabey a nice bunch of flowers. That will put a stop to it.

oscarBravo

SoulandForm wrote: »

Her treatment though is just giving fuel to those on the Republican side who believe in continuing armed struggle.

...who would immediately pack up their guns and go home if she were released?

Fratton Fred

SoulandForm wrote: »

Also what exactly do you mean by the modern Republican cause?

the one that believes a united Ireland will only come about through democratic means, not at the end of an AK47.

GRMA

The propaganda her mistreatment is giving disidents is one thing but the main thing is the issues Gery Conlan raises about fairness, transparancy and justice.

Does anyone have an opinion on those points, or is the fact that she is a republican mean that you dont care, or dont think she deserves those things?

It sets a dangerous precedent and people besides republicans may suffer in the same way

Chips Lovell

Am I reading this correctly?

She was sentenced to two life sentences for her involvement in the Old Bailey bombing. She was released on licence. She shared a platform at a rally, holding the speech for a man who threatened to kill police officers. Her licence was then revoked.

Fratton Fred

GRMA wrote: »

The propaganda her mistreatment is giving disidents is one thing but the main thing is the issues Gery Conlan raises about fairness, transparancy and justice.

Does anyone have an opinion on those points, or is the fact that she is a republican mean that you dont care, or dont think she deserves those things?

It sets a dangerous precedent and people besides republicans may suffer in the same way

you're flogging a dead horse here.

It is transparent, it is fair and is simply justice being carried.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-13404212

The secretary of state has revoked the release from prison on licence of Old Bailey bomber Marian Price.

Owen Paterson said he made the decision because the threat posed by Price had "significantly increased".

The only other people who may be affected in a similar way are those who are also out on licence and choose to ignore the terms of their release.

gallag

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

Am I reading this correctly?

She was sentenced to two life sentences for her involvement in the Old Bailey bombing. She was released on licence. She shared a platform at a rally, holding the speech for a man who threatened to kill police officers. Her licence was then revoked.

Yep, terrible treatment. According to some her treatment is fueling the dissidents agenda.

GRMA

gallag wrote: »

Yep, terrible treatment. According to some her treatment is fueling the dissidents agenda.

Its certainly fueling it more than anything she did outside of jail in the last few decades

Fratton Fred

GRMA wrote: »

Its certainly fueling it more than anything she did outside of jail in the last few decades

what mistreatment? she is a convicted murderer who is spending time in prison.

GRMA

Fratton Fred wrote: »

what mistreatment? she is a convicted murderer who is spending time in prison.

Mr Conlon and others cover it quite well.

Many people have come out in support of her release including numerous county councils including Dublins council with the motion receiving cross party support. They want her released on humanitarian grounds.

Are the blushirts etc who voted in favour of that psuedo dissident supporters or whatever etc in your opinion? Rather than people genuinely concerned with the mistreatment she has recieved?