bgrizzley wrote: » i can see it now, Michael Martin announcing the scrapping of the property tax from the leaders seat, Kenny with a long face over in the opposition backbench asking himself "i was the president of Europe, i could have had it all, how did it go wrong Mammy?":(
DoesNotCompute wrote: » Hardly likely; FF's position all along since being in opposition has been that it is "not the right time" for a property tax, not "we are opposed to a property tax".
donalg1 wrote: » Not to mention the fact that whoever takes power after the next election wont just sign off on scrapping a massive stream of income. The only reason they would do such a thing would be to win votes but hey if they are in power they hardly need to win votes now do they!
cocobear wrote: » Approve or dont approve of the property tax, it's still an income stream and if removed will simply be replaced by something else to make up.the short fall. I dont think handing it over to the revenue was so stupid, the have the details of all mortgage holders in receipt of TRS, and also details of all stamp duty transactions on property sales, and inheritance tax on inheritance of property.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Given that the next election is probably two to three years away, it's probably a bit soon to start speculating what might happen after it. Fianna Fail's current position is retention of the Household Charge but no Property Tax, which may not be exactly what the opponents of the Property Tax are looking for. Their position could of course change in the next few years, especially if they see there's votes in it.
bgrizzley wrote: » "A massive stream of income is no used to you if you arent in power... " Simple Irish Political Thinking
donalg1 wrote: » Yes and I can see it now, FF's next election manifesto "We will scrap the Property Tax" and on day 1 in power, "em we arent going to scrap it as it provides us with a steady stream of income that we just cant do without at the minute, we will scrap it at some stage but now is not the right time". And everyone will be on here saying they didnt stick to their pre election promises, the cheek of the fcukers!! And I will say "fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice...."
bgrizzley wrote: » thats only if something doesnt happen in the meantime. Many a slip twixt the cup and the lip...http://www.independent.ie/national-news/gilmore-vows-ill-face-down-the-labour-dissidents-3346439.html
Ghandee wrote: » I think labour will bring the whole thing down in March/April.
ThreeLineWhip wrote: » I look forward to it. But I can't imagine why Labour would pull the plug on FG.
Ghandee wrote: » What have they got to lose after March regardless if they stray in power or not? Pensions for life kick in for the first time elected TD's. They could pull the plug under the pretence that they no longer agreed with govt policies (insert other bs exit excuse here) win back some support from life long, grass root supporters, and hope not to go the same way as the greens and PD party before them..... What would they care? They'd hardly be on the live register afterwards? Ireland being Ireland, it wouldn't be surprising if they even got back in on a new general election (nothing surprises me any more) Its all about the money to some remember.
the land tax was fiercely resisted by farmers and their resistance was rewarded in 1987 by Charles Haughey when he abolished the land tax.
dxhound2005 wrote: » The big scaremongering campaign from 2012 failed. Certain quarters tried to fool people into believing that the average property tax would be €1000.http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056708357 Instead of which the estimate is that 85% to 90% of houses will fall into the first 5 bands €90 to €495 per year. Which is fixed until November 2016. In fact a house would have to be valued at around €600,000 to pay tax of €1000.http://www.rte.ie/documents/news/local-property-tax.pdf Now these same quarters, some of them politically motivated, say all people have to do is wait until there is a new government and the tax will go away. More stupid advice which will only lead to bad outcomes for anyone who follows it.
Bullseye1 wrote: » It you think that this property tax is going to stay at its introductory rate for much more than the allocated 3 years your either lying to yourself or you have an agenda. Once LAs start setting the rates these will sky rocket.
tayto lover wrote: » Why has the PRO side not commented on the suggestions here regarding a proper charge for all the services like 600e for bins, water, street cleaning etc? Do it right and fair and the people will pay. None of this targeting of a family home and offering nothing in return. We are currently paying 52% of our weekly wage on taxes or levies so a proper Services Tax with the requisite services would prevent all the protests and end the "attack on our homes" defence/reason for not paying. It makes sense.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Where you have these models like GB (water charged for separately from Council Tax) or NI (water included now in Domestic Rates but will probably have to be charged for separately soon) you have to realise that approx 70% of the spending is funded from central government grants. So if people are paying typically £1200 per year this is only enough income to their Local Authorities to cover about 30% of the cost of services provided. The central government grants have to be funded by income tax VAT etc.
donalg1 wrote: » Indeed, those that declared that the HHC would be scrapped and that the Property Tax would never stand a chance of being introduced.
