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The Jaguar

Gauss

Pound for pound the most powerful big cat, living in the shadow of their cousins the Lion, tiger and cheetah.

Their tree climbing ability is second to no other big cat. Possibly my favourite animal. Amazing creatures, the apex predator of South America.

I am curious how they would get on in a fight against the mighty silverback gorilla or a pair of wolves.

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DavyD_83

I still prefer sloths myself

kneemos

Tigers are the butchest cat,even the lion looks odd with that big mop of hair.

EireIceMan

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

What is this insolence? How is it more powerful than a Tiger?

He said pound for pound more powerful.

franktheplank

franktheplank wrote: »

Cheetahs are the best big cat.

Why is the Cheetah the best big cat I hear you not care?

Well if I had a pet cheetah I could train in to go to the shops. It would be there and back in no fookin time.

Any other big cat would either be too slow or too busy killing people and what not.

/ Case closed.

--Kaiser--

EireIceMan wrote: »

He said pound for pound more powerful.

Given that there are no big cat boxing championships, how exactly is this determined?

kneemos

EireIceMan wrote: »

He said pound for pound more powerful.

I bet a jaguar would run if you set the dog on it,where as the tiger would eat it.

franktheplank

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Given that there are no big cat boxing championships

I think we're all agreed, more's the pity.

EireIceMan

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Given that there are no big cat boxing championships, how exactly is this determined?

I wouldnt know, you should be asking the OP that one.
Never said I agreed with him.

Scanlas The 2nd

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Given that there are no big cat boxing championships, how exactly is this determined?

I'd assume they look at the muscle mass and make extrapolations. Maybe they compare unusually small tigers strength versus unusually large Jaguars strength.

--Kaiser--

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

I'd assume they look at the muscle mass and make extrapolations. Maybe they compare unusually small tigers strength versus unusually large Jaguars strength.

Well I'm dubious about this one. Even if it was true it's fairly irrelevant given that they are half the size of tigers. Would anyone care if the domestic cat was the strongest pound for pound feline out there?

EireIceMan

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Well I'm dubious about this one. Even if it was true it's fairly irrelevant given that they are half the size of tigers. Would anyone care if the domestic cat was the strongest pound for pound feline out there?

Thats what pound4pound rankings is though. Two boxers of different weight classes arnt going to fight, its based on their records etc.

Scanlas The 2nd

smash wrote: »

Panther ftw!

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think a panther may just be a black jaguar.

--Kaiser--

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think a panther may just be a black jaguar.

You are correct, there is no such animal as a panther

Mr Benevolent

The XJ8 is my favourite Jaguar. After that it's the Atari.

smash

Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but I think a panther may just be a black jaguar.

Black panther, a black variant of leopard, jaguar or cougar

I was talking about the leopard version :pac:

Scanlas The 2nd

The big cat family tree certainly is interesting.

Richard Hillman

kneemos wrote: »

Tigers are the butchest cat,even the lion looks odd with that big mop of hair.

The male lion is still going through the 80s glam rock phase

kneemos

Richard Hillman wrote: »

The male lion is still going through the 80s glam rock phase

The Essex guy of the cat world.

Standard Toaster

A Liger is pretty much my favourite animal. It's like a lion and a tiger mixed... bred for its skills in magic

Micky Dolenz

The Argentinian national rugby team have a Jaguar in their emblem but a reporter mistook at as a Puma, the name stuck and they have been known as Los Pumas since.

cowzerp

They'd get the lb for lb strength by testing it's actual strength at something and using the weight to decide which has the higher ratio of strength.

--Kaiser--

cowzerp wrote: »

They'd get the lb for lb strength by testing it's actual strength at something and using the weight to decide which has the higher ratio of strength.

Have they actually done this or is it because they have the strongest bite force of any cat? Because bite force doesn't account for that much, hyenas have a stronger bite force than lions but are not nearly as dangerous

BUBBLE WRAP

Ah the the Jaguar, my favourite crustacean...

kneemos

Was there a gorilla mentioned here at some stage?

kneemos

--Kaiser-- wrote: »

Have they actually done this or is it because they have the strongest bite force of any cat? Because bite force doesn't account for that much, hyenas have a stronger bite force than lions but are not nearly as dangerous

Saw a documentary on hyenas apparently they eat their pray alive from the rear end first so that they can't be bitten.

smash

kneemos wrote: »

Saw a documentary on hyenas apparently they eat their pray alive from the rear end first so that they can't be bitten.

Sure you weren't reading a post by kfallon?

Fizman

Really came on leaps and bounds with the 'XF' model.

anhedonia

Also, jaguar is a savage tune by Rolando.

megadodge

Gauss wrote: »

I think you'll find the jaguar is superior with it's stock body and shorter limbs.

Nope. The leopard is a superior climber which includes in it's prey, monkeys, baboons and squirrels. Where trees are plentiful it spends virtually as much time in the trees as it does on ground. In a documentary I watched ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_Leopard) following the life of a leopard cub from it's birth to it's independence from it's mother, the young leopard was witnessed killing at least 200 squirrels. That takes tree-climbing expertise of an extreme nature.

Anyway with even just a minimal search, the following links prove me right

http://leopardanimal.com/leopard-facts/leopard-climbing.php
"Leopards are the best tree climbers in the big cat family"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard
"Leopards are known for their ability in climbing"
"Their diet consists mostly of ungulates, followed by primates, primarily monkeys of various species"

http://designeranimals.wikispaces.com/Leopard
"its unequaled ability to climb trees"

I would also strongly dispute your claim that the jaguar is pound-for-pound the most powerful big cat. The leopard can carry prey 3 times it's own bodyweight straight up a vertical tree trunk.

I believe the jaguar has the most powerful bite of the big cats.

Gauss

megadodge wrote: »

Nope. The leopard is a superior climber which includes in it's prey, monkeys, baboons and squirrels. Where trees are plentiful it spends virtually as much time in the trees as it does on ground. In a documentary I watched ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_of_the_Leopard) following the life of a leopard cub from it's birth to it's independence from it's mother, the young leopard was witnessed killing at least 200 squirrels. That takes tree-climbing expertise of an extreme nature.

Anyway with even just a minimal search, the following links prove me right

http://leopardanimal.com/leopard-facts/leopard-climbing.php
"Leopards are the best tree climbers in the big cat family"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard
"Leopards are known for their ability in climbing"
"Their diet consists mostly of ungulates, followed by primates, primarily monkeys of various species"

http://designeranimals.wikispaces.com/Leopard
"its unequaled ability to climb trees"

I would also strongly dispute your claim that the jaguar is pound-for-pound the most powerful big cat. The leopard can carry prey 3 times it's own bodyweight straight up a vertical tree trunk.

I believe the jaguar has the most powerful bite of the big cats.

On the tree climbing ability you certainly have more links than the one Infind saying the Jaguar is the best so it appears the leopard is better. But at www.liger.org they say the clouded leopard ( not a leopard, different genus) and margay are the best tree climbers and I'd tend to agree as they explain those cats have ankles which can rotate 180 degrees making them the best tree climbers of the big cats.

On the strength of Jaguars, I'm pretty sure I read that jaguars can also carry huge 2 or three times it's body weight up trees. I'll look for links.

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Tigers-3675/Jaguar.htm