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Cyber bullying going on right now by everyone I know - MOD WARNING POST #2

actuallylike

How do,
I need to phrase this carefully I guess because a thread was started yesterday about it and was shut down. As most people know there's a video going around of some girl been drunk and obnoxious in Dublin. Very cringeworthy indeed, but what is more cringeworthy is the response of most on facebook/twitter/etc. Now let me get this straight, I'm not an old fart moaning about something that isn't funny. Many a time I've posted on facebook people making fools out of themselves and I know that if I don't find something particularly funny (e.g. Frankie Boyle) I would come across as an asshole for complaining about it, humour is and always will be subjective, I get that.

But what has been going on online is nothing short of abuse. People posting her facebook profile, twitter account, posting on KPMG's website, harassment and nothing short of it. I know this isn't everyone, of the 8 times I saw the video shared yesterday, only 2 remain. Obviously the other 6 saw sense. Do none of these people remember stories of Phoebe Prince or Erin Gallagher?!? Erin especially so recently and on this very island and yet today and yesterday I see people not only sharing this video but encouraging everyone to share it more, actively trying to humiliate this girl as much as possible, pushing it as much as they can.

When I raised this issue on facebook I was then greeted with the responses of 'free speech', 'uncensored', etc. All issues to try and justify their abuse towards a 16 year old girl. I was also quoted other such videos like the 'Leave it ouh' video and did I feel such strongly about the fella getting his head kicked in or Techno Viking who has a law suit against the makers of his video. I was asked if it was a drunk junkie would I feel so strongly? Again, all these are just smokescreens to poorly attempt the justification of their abuse towards of a young girl. I was then accused of been up on my high horse. Well I'm sorry, maybe I am getting old, maybe I have become everything I used to hate in the traditionalist sense, maybe I amn't 'hip' anymore; but what I'm seeing is blatant abuse and harassment of a 16 year old girl who got drunk. Abuse that is been dragged out for maximum effect.

A comment I heard about her is that everything remains on the internet. Well that works both ways. If this goes tits up (and that's not a dramatisation, this has happened over and over again) all your shares and posts remain online also and will show you for the scum that you are. Leave it out, in the words of Michael Caine 'She was only 16 years old'.

ps a thread showing the video was closed yesterday, please don't post links, this thread is not about the video, more about the reaction to it.

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MarkMc wrote: »

In certain arenas maybe. I really hate when people talk about free speech etc on here. Folks, its a PRIVATE website, you do not have any!! I'm gonna keep on trotting that out until it sticks. Hmmm, maybe I should put it in my sig

That's the point I'm getting at, there seems to be a perception among certain people that as long as there is a screen and a keyboard between them and their subject, then their actions should have no consequences.

It's not confined to sites where people have (relative) anonymity either, you see what people will post from their own Facebook/Twitter/etc accounts. I dunno, maybe some of them think that the internet is some sort of bubble where only those that agree with them read their posts, but I genuinely believe most of them believe they should be allowed say what they want with impunity.

Higher

Froyo wrote: »

If bullying occurs in an instance such as this, eh wouldn't she just close her twitter and FB accounts until it blows over? Or altogether and set up new ones only accessible by her friends to post on?

I know a person shouldn't have to but, this seems like a simple enough solution.

You put yourself out there in the first place, reel yourself in for a while. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

People have tracked her address, started bombarding the company her dad works at, contacted her school etc.

Its gone way beyond htat.

Annasopra

MarkMc wrote: »

Also, the video of the cork girls did not result in the receiving death threats

Is there actual proof that kpmg girl has received death threats?

Mr Simpson

Froyo wrote: »

If bullying occurs in an instance such as this, eh wouldn't she just close her twitter and FB accounts until it blows over? Or altogether and set up new ones only accessible by her friends to post on?

I know a person shouldn't have to but, this seems like a simple enough solution.

You put yourself out there in the first place, reel yourself in for a while. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

She has

Froyo

If bullying occurs in an instance such as this, eh wouldn't she just close her twitter and FB accounts until it blows over? Or altogether and set up new ones only accessible by her friends to post on?

I know a person shouldn't have to but, this seems like a simple enough solution.

You put yourself out there in the first place, reel yourself in for a while. Ignorance is bliss and all that.

Bassboxxx

actuallylike wrote: »

Keep searching for a way to justify the bullying of a 16 year old girl, you won't find it.

I'm not trying to justify it..I actually don't care about it....I'm sure she has enough people to feel sorry for her already...

I'm saying it's double standards....Simple....

Biggins

actuallylike wrote: »

So the people posting her online details and writing to the place where her father works wouldn't have happened if she watched what she drank? You're not defending it are you? Again, what she did is not what the thread is about, if it was it would be closed. It's about the online provocative reaction. She does not deserve any of this despite of what she drank.

I agree.

So far I have reported to Youtube the presence of the video five times (5 times too on other sites).
The original poster is clever to change the title now every time.
He is even appealing for others to reupload it because he getting tired of trying to share it.

Legally he could (should?) be accused/charged with some sort of 'Trespass' law.

* Trespass is the oldest form of tortious liability which consists of direct interference with a person. A person is liable once the rights of a victim have been infringed although there might be no material loss.

K-9

actuallylike wrote: »

So the people posting her online details and writing to the place where her father works wouldn't have happened if she watched what she drank? You're not defending it are you? Again, what she did is not what the thread is about, if it was it would be closed. It's about the online provocative reaction. She does not deserve any of this despite of what she drank.

Indeed, it seems that level of over reaction and bullying is now just the norm on the net and it is seen as acceptable.

Fr_Dougal

rogieop wrote: »

has anybody bothered to point out that she is 16 and shouldnt have been out and about drunk?

That's a whole separate issue and to be fair even the best parents in the world couldn't stop a 16-17 year old from drinking. At that age, you cannot watch them all the time.

Mr Simpson

rogieop wrote: »

has anybody bothered to point out that she is 16 and shouldnt have been out and about drunk?

Your point being? I dont really see how thats relevant. Yes, she shouldn't have been drinking, but she was, like about 75% (figure pulled completely from the air) of 16 year olds in Ireland

philologos

actuallylike wrote: »

So the people posting her online details and writing to the place where her father works wouldn't have happened if she watched what she drank? You're not defending it are you? Again, what she did is not what the thread is about, if it was it would be closed. It's about the online provocative reaction. She does not deserve any of this despite of what she drank.

It's equally wrong but claiming that we should ignore what was said is daft. There's responsibility for everyone to and deny that is fundamentally wrong.

The people writing to where her father works, and the people posting her details online are horrible people end of story. What she said was absolutely revolting though.

The thread is also very clearly about what was said on that video. I hope that she learns from her mistake.

titan18

Biggins wrote: »

Your right in that but at least he went in front of the camera (we can debate over if it was legally "willingly" because he was drink, if so) by his own 'steam' and could have risen from it at any stage and/or stopped talking.

I know then I'm drunk and out, I'd be hard at fining everyone if they were recording at a distance.
This chap sat right in front of a camera and was willing to talk direct.
Does this mean he should be "Bullied" for it? NO - absolutely not.
In his case however people have commented (fairly I think) because of the crime it is related to.

...Whereas the other video if 16 year old girl lets be honest, is more innocent.

There is no definates here - we can only best use good judgement in most cases, as each one occurs.

I do agree with you in regards to it, I just don't think boards.ie can. Although, I'm only picking the rape case as it's on the front page of AH atm, there's probably far better examples of what was allowed that could have lead to bullying (Cork schoolgirls fight for instance).

Whilst I do agree with boards.ie stance on the video, although not so much on (until now, and the feedback thread) the no discussion at all of it, because some people can be assh0les, and the girl doesn't deserve the abuse she's been getting on twitter over it. I do think discussions can be had on people going she was drunk, we all do stupid things when we're drunk (I don't drink btw, so I hate that attitude), the fact she was 16 and drunk, or even just on the whole videoing of something in that state, and how far can people go with videoing,photos etc without breaching people's privacy (fwiw, if people heard some of the stuff I say with friends, I'd probably be branded a psychopath , but anyone I know just knows I have a really weird sense of humour, and am harmless for the most part)

However, in regards to cyber - bullying ( fwiw, I was bullied in school, although was never on the internet as much when I was younger, so didn't really experience cyber-bullying) I kinda agree on the old childish thing of sticks and stones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me, although I'd understand how hard that can be nowadays in comparison to only 6-10 years ago. However, I'd be more worried (considering she's been easily identified) of any potential physical violence from someone, either on nights out or from the scumbags that are in Dublin.

Mr Simpson

Lyaiera wrote: »

Ok. I read that post too. Do you think you could ask her which defamation Act, and even better which section? There's a couple of Acts and some SIs. I've studied them and can't think of anything that would make it defamatory to post a video of someone taken in a public place.

Why not ask her yourself. But as Humanji has said, its more the responses that they would be worried about, rather than the video.

Gummy Panda

Is she only 16?

rogieop

has anybody bothered to point out that she is 16 and shouldnt have been out and about drunk?

humanji

Lyaiera wrote: »

Ok. I read that post too. Do you think you could ask her which defamation Act, and even better which section? There's a couple of Acts and some SIs. I've studied them and can't think of anything that would make it defamatory to post a video of someone taken in a public place.

I'm assuming it's the responses that are the problem. It can damage the fathers career.

Lyaiera

MarkMc wrote: »

As I said, I'm not a lawyer, I'm reiterating what information Nicola has given to us.

Ok. I read that post too. Do you think you could ask her which defamation Act, and even better which section? There's a couple of Acts and some SIs. I've studied them and can't think of anything that would make it defamatory to post a video of someone taken in a public place.

actuallylike

Bassboxxx wrote: »

Stinks of double standards.....

Made me think of the famous vid of a "league of Ireland fan"...who was encouraged to talk about something he clearly had no clue about, which could be viewed as making a fool of himself. It's posted multiple times here, you can go there right now and call him a "scumbag" if you want.( I hate that word).
There was no uproar about that...

If this was a vid of some homeless girl mouthing off we'd be all having a good laugh at it now...

Keep searching for a way to justify the bullying of a 16 year old girl, you won't find it.

actuallylike

philologos wrote: »

It's entirely valid to discuss the content of what was said. I hope she learns a lesson from what has happened. Bear in mind this video would have never came to light if she watched what she drank, and watched what she said.

I think it is the point.

So the people posting her online details and writing to the place where her father works wouldn't have happened if she watched what she drank? You're not defending it are you? Again, what she did is not what the thread is about, if it was it would be closed. It's about the online provocative reaction. She does not deserve any of this despite of what she drank.

T-K-O

philologos wrote: »

No. Then again I guess my 16 year old self wasn't particularly rich either. I think people learn from their screw ups. I certainly did, and I think my screw ups have positively impacted me as a person. Hopefully she'll learn the same.

I don't know about you. But I find that alcohol more often than not makes truthfulness come to the fore rather than anything else. I think the very things that people wouldn't say but really feel come out whilst drunk.

I'm confident that that would accurately reflect the philosophy behind it. Even if it doesn't it's a good opportunity to undermine the toxic materialistic philosophy that divides people into rich or 'pleb' depending on their wage packet.

What a disgusting philosophy to hold towards another human being.

Correct.

So many people blame the booze. 'I'm not a wife beater, its the alcohol' What a crock of

when I have a few too many, I do not suddenly transform into another person. People who do and claim to have no memory the next day use the beer as a cop out.

Man up and be responsible for your actions.

Bassboxxx

Stinks of double standards.....

Made me think of the famous vid of a "league of Ireland fan"...who was encouraged to talk about something he clearly had no clue about, which could be viewed as making a fool of himself. It's posted multiple times here, you can go there right now and call him a "scumbag" if you want.( I hate that word).
There was no uproar about that...

If this was a vid of some homeless girl mouthing off we'd be all having a good laugh at it now...

Muir

I've seen a lot of sexual insults about her which really annoys me. I didn't like her attitude or what she said but the responses to the video are as bad if not worse. I also seen things being posted on the KPMG facebook page & was wondering if it might lead to the father losing his job.

Mr Simpson

Lyaiera wrote: »

What part?

As I said, I'm not a lawyer, I'm reiterating what information Nicola has given to us.

philologos

actuallylike wrote: »

This is the exact point. the content of said video is not the issue. It's people promoting it that sickens me. This isn't a case of a spoiled girl looking down on people, it's a case of people actively trying to humiliate a defenceless girl.

It is a case of that as well.

Biggins

titan18 wrote: »

From the localleaks website, it says that video was recorded by another student, and imo he's clearly drunk

Your right in that but at least he went in front of the camera (we can debate over if it was legally "willingly" because he was drunk, if so) by his own 'steam' and could have risen from it at any stage and/or stopped talking.

I know then I'm drunk and out, I'd be hard at fining everyone if they were recording at a distance.
This chap sat right in front of a camera and was willing to talk direct.
Does this mean he should be "Bullied" for it? NO - absolutely not.
In his case however people have commented (fairly I think) because of the crime it is related to.

...Whereas the other video of a 16 year old girl lets be honest, is more innocent.

There is no definates here - we can only best use good judgement in most cases, as each one occurs.

Lyaiera

MarkMc wrote: »

If its filmed in a public place. I'm unsure on the law, but even if consent is not required, the Defamation Act can come into play

What part?

gingernut125

Lyaiera wrote: »

In a legal sense, no consent is needed to record something where there's no expectation of privacy.

Most girls have an expectation of privacy with regards cameras trying to go up their skirts

actuallylike

MarkMc wrote: »

That isn't bullying. Its when people start naming you publicly, linking to your social media page and direct unending abuse at you, thats when its bullying

This is the exact point. the content of said video is not the issue. It's people promoting it that sickens me. This isn't a case of a spoiled girl looking down on people, it's a case of people actively trying to humiliate a defenceless girl.

Mr Simpson

Lyaiera wrote: »

In a legal sense, no consent is needed to record something where there's no expectation of privacy.

If its filmed in a public place. I'm unsure on the law, but even if consent is not required, the Defamation Act can come into play

titan18

Biggins wrote: »

Possibly not - I'm referencing (maybe in the wrong) the one that is of a youth describing in graphic detail about the state of a raped girl.

Ya, I'm talking of the same one as Fr_Dougal, of the guy saying how the girl is deader than a bunch of different things for 12 minutes. Clearly drunk, line underneath the video says another student is recording it