Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Well you could argue that someone who votes for a member of a party would expect them to tow the party line. If you want an elected representative that doesn't have to adhere to a whip, then vote for an independent.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » He didn't get booted out by the voters though did he?
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » If enough people like Keaveney's stance, they should re-elect him and try and put more people who share his views into the Dail, no?
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Well there are consequences. They're kicked out of government and possibly lose their seat. What are you saying here? That there is not one single person in the country that can be trusted in government?
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Of course you're not. What I'm saying is that anyone can be a politician. Don't like the current batch, vote them out and find some others. Or stand yourself.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Well you could argue that someone who votes for a member of a party would expect them to tow the party line.
Bullseye1 wrote: » You make getting elected sound easy. Your going up against established parties and bigger budgets than most individuals can afford. And even some of the independants have a history of being member of established parties. Plus getting your name on the ballet paper isn't an easy task either.
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » He didn't get booted out by the voters though did he? If enough people like Keaveney's stance, they should re-elect him and try and put more people who share his views into the Dail, no?
bgrizzley wrote: » forget about voting, theres more to this corrupt system than a few gombeens. if you really want to hurt them use peaceful civil disobediance like not paying the HHC. Once the gravy has been cut off the snouts will come out of the trough, and we might see some honesty in politics.Dont register, dont pay!
Ghandee wrote: » The voters voted him in to implement the pre-election promises he made, when he seen labour and Gilmor€ and Rabbit€ gloat about it (sure that's what you do in an election) he tried to right a wrong and was punished for it.
Hijpo wrote: » Why would they take his stance after witnessing what happend to him?
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » All you need is €500 or 30 signatures. But no, it's not easy. You've got to go out and raise money for your campaign, convince enough people to not only vote for you but to also give you money. But that's where all political parties started out. They didn't just spring up overnight and, during elections, rely on a whole host of unpaid volunteers to do their donkey work.
dxhound2005 wrote: » Anyone with a private house reading this invitation to keep breaking the law please realise that this individual will not be around to pick up the bill when you have to pay.
Hijpo wrote: » Or you could sweet talk a crooked banker and promise him an oul back scratch if he gives you a handy loan
Vladimir Kurtains wrote: » Yes and if you're right about this, Gilmore and Rabitte will get the boot at the next election and Keaveney will be re-elected. That's democracy for you. Don't you want more principled people in the Dail? Don't you believe that enough of your fellow citizens do too? If that's the case, then why wouldn't other politicians take his stance, since people will chose them ahead of the less principled ones.
You could try that too, but I don't think that would make you the kind of TD that people are looking for on here.
Hijpo wrote: » Would it make the kind of TD that you want in the Dail?
Hijpo wrote: » Imagine trying to budget your household expenses without knowing what the expenditure will be.
Hijpo wrote: » Or you could sweet talk a crooked banker and promise him an oul back scratch if he gives you a handy loan For anyone with a private house reading dxhound2005 warnings about picking up bills, be aware that you are already being forced to pick up a bill that you didnt run up. Imagine putting a price on your single home that you worked hard to obtain to shelter and raise your family in, then paying EVERY year for the right to live in your own home. A price by the way nobody knows how much it will be, its financial suicide. Imagine trying to budget your household expenses without knowing what the expenditure will be.
bgrizzley wrote: » Anyone reading this rather assumptive post try to remember all the bullyboy threats that have been made since the start of the HHC debacle. None have come through!!!!Dont register Dont pay!!!
dxhound2005 wrote: » When the time comes to pay, this individual will not turn up at your door with the money.
Ghandee wrote: » It seems to be a common trait among the yes guys.. Despairing at someone's poor budgeting skills whilst they themselves have had their wages decreased multiple times in recent years, yet get on with it regardless.
DoesNotCompute wrote: » So you're refusing to pay the HHC because you didn't see it coming? Sure you could make the same argument about any potential tax that the government *may* at some point in the future, decide to implement. Sure they might decide to put a tax on people blowing hot air, then the anti-HHC lot would be royally screwed. Try budgetting for that.
Hijpo wrote: » On top of all the other reeasons i choose not to pay this is another one, To pay you have to register (conveniently) if you register they have there database, when they have there database the charge you for living in your house that you bought with your money, they have said that it wont be increased for the duration of there term (yeah right, and the childrens allowance hasnt been touched, as promised) and if its not touched the councils then decide what the rate will be, it will more than likely go up, to what? nobody knows, will it be fixed? nobody knows, will there be a max it can rise to? nobody knows, will they take into account ability to pay? (so far they havent) nobody knows. Iv never seen "???" in the debit column of a budget sheet, to freely put yourself in that position is stupid. I saw it coming, but you see its like this: A chap knocks on your door and says im coming back next week to take some money from you, you ask how much and he says its probably a tenner, you ask if thats for certain he shrugs and says could be, you ask will it stay at a tenner he says yes but gives you a wink and a smile, you ask what its for and he says this that and the other, you ask who else is contributing and he says 1.9million... or wait is it 1.7million im not sure, then he says its the law and laughs if he called back next week for 15 would you give it to him? if you would ill pm you my details ill happily take donations, its my law that i just made up because im stuck for a few bob
dxhound2005 wrote: » You might be on the database already. Anyone who ever applied for mortgage interest relief would have given their name, address and PPS number to the authorities. These are the same details which were required to be given when paying the HHC. With the degree of data sharing and exchange which is provided for in the legislation it may be too late to avoid being on the database.
Hijpo wrote: » waffle waffle waffle waffle and more bloody waffle the yes side have named so many feckin databases that the government have access to to get there database set up that the entire HHC exercise was a complete waste of time, money, effort and heartache for the people who got letters to family members who passed away or old people who had already paid then got a reminder letter to say they hadnt (imagine if it was your parent or grand parent that had paid and got a letter to say they hadnt and they started to worry that they may be getting dementia or alzheimer's) scary stuff for those people. Seems to me its more inefficiency on the public sector/government/LA or whoever it was thats in charge of compiling this database. Complete and utter waste in its entirety.
dxhound2005 wrote: » It has managed to bring in over €113 million with more to come so I think your judgement of it is harsh given that it is a self registration system. And the ironic thing is that the people paying now and the ones who will eventually pay have just managed to make themselves poorer than necessary. I got a receipt when I paid in cash and another one in the post afterwards. I never got any follow up demand and I don't know of anyone who did after paying or any letters to dead people belonging to me. Stuff about old people and dementia is just the same nonsense that we had before on here.
Hijpo wrote: » You are taking the piss now, its been on the radio and everything about people that have been dead 20 odd years getting letters aswell as old people getting letters asking them to give this number a ring to let us know. No i dont think my words are harsh at all, if so many databases were so easily accessable why the need for 100 quid and self registration? Must have been people doing it for the sake of something to do because it really has been a half arsed attempt at it. Have the had a meeting to get there story straight about whether you can pay at the post office or not? Shower of incompetent Arse holse
dxhound2005 wrote: » I think there was some discussion about being able to pay at the Post Office but I don't know if it came to anything. There will be an option to pay the LPT by deduction from wages so that might suit some people better. There was no database needed for property tax since 1977 until now so I don't regard it as incompetence on the part of anybody if one couldn't be provided at the drop of a hat. The million or so people like me who volunteered will undoubetedly make it easier for the Revenue Commissioners to go after the rest and get the database on a solid footing over the next while. And in the long run defying the law won't be a good idea.
